Trade Ideas - Bledsoe signs with Suns 5/$70 pg 106

[worthlessBucks]

Henson and Knight are certainly assets given their youth and salaries. Are they as valuable as a lottery pick? No, but they're still talented, young players that the Bucks should be hesitant to give away without examining the risk that comes with throwing big money at a player with a history of knee problems. Will they no longer be assets with their next contracts? Who knows, tbd. Also, Ersan isn't some massive liability. If someone gives him playing time on a competitive team where he's not blocking young guys, he'll be productive and he'll perform to/above his contract. We have just sat on him too long and we've been a crappy franchise with no vision. That is changing though, Hurrah!

[AussieBuck]

Knight is only really an asset until the trade deadline.

[paulpressey25]

The downside is the Suns' fan douches are back.

Nah, that's ok. I go over on their board about once a week and post something on Bledsoe, so it's all good with them coming over here.

I think the issue is what was noted above. The Suns fans do not quite appreciate the predicament they are in with their asset or if they do, they don't want to let on. Yes, the Suns "hold all the cards" and can force Bledsoe to accept 4/$48mm or take the QO.

The problem is that if they go that route, and Bledsoe does take the QO twelve-days from now, they've "won" the poker hand, but at the same time got shot trying to escape the casino with their winnings. Bledsoe on the QO means he's going to be a distraction all year and he's 100% leaving in nine-months, come July 1, 2015 for no compensation.

[worthlessBucks]

Knight is only really an asset until the trade deadline.

I think we'll see him take some big steps under Kidd, but I agree about his asset lifetime (mentioned it!).

[CanadaBucks]

Knight is only really an asset until the trade deadline.

Well Brandon jennings turned out to be an asset so there's that

[CanadaBucks]

I don't mind giving up say Henson/Knight. I don't mind paying him 4/56. I CERTAINLY don't want to give up a package for him THEN pay him 4/63M. Makes no sense. There is no value in that whatsoever. Would rather wait a year and attempt to sign him to the same 4/63 without giving up any assets and getting a nice high pick in the meantime. That would be my goal. It also pushes the contract back a year, so more of it is in the increased salary cap timeframe.

I appreciate that bucks fans want Bledsoe while giving up minimal assets but you have to also see it from a suns prospective. You have to be willing to give up more that just your leftovers for Bledsoe. If the suns and bucks want to trade, it has to benefit both teams. Henson, llyasova, and knight do not benefit the suns unless they are only part of the package. You got to remember, the suns organization are looking for "assets" which none of these players are.


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Funny thing is Henson is better than anything you have at C at the moment

[Bernman]

Nah, that's ok. I go over on their board about once a week and post something on Bledsoe, so it's all good with them coming over here.

I think the issue is what was noted above. The Suns fans do not quite appreciate the predicament they are in with their asset or if they do, they don't want to let on. Yes, the Suns "hold all the cards" and can force Bledsoe to accept 4/$48mm or take the QO.

The problem is that if they go that route, and Bledsoe does take the QO twelve-days from now, they've "won" the poker hand, but at the same time got shot trying to escape the casino with their winnings. Bledsoe on the QO means he's going to be a distraction all year and he's 100% leaving in nine-months, come July 1, 2015 for no compensation.

I think you're being overly humble. You're a reasonable guy, they're not on average. If they were reasonable on average, your presence would be a lot more palatable to them. Instead they're probably annoyed when you come there, as we are when they come here. I don't want this place to be sheltered to outside opinions completely, in fact that would take away from the experience, but I think a filter is a good thing. A lot of them would be filtered out as pollutants ideally. They can be aggressively ignorant homers on their own board where we don't have to read it.

[AussieBuck]

Knight is only really an asset until the trade deadline.

Well Brandon jennings turned out to be an asset so there's that

I guess anything is possible.

[Sunsdeuce]

I don't mind giving up say Henson/Knight. I don't mind paying him 4/56. I CERTAINLY don't want to give up a package for him THEN pay him 4/63M. Makes no sense. There is no value in that whatsoever. Would rather wait a year and attempt to sign him to the same 4/63 without giving up any assets and getting a nice high pick in the meantime. That would be my goal. It also pushes the contract back a year, so more of it is in the increased salary cap timeframe.

I appreciate that bucks fans want Bledsoe while giving up minimal assets but you have to also see it from a suns prospective. You have to be willing to give up more that just your leftovers for Bledsoe. If the suns and bucks want to trade, it has to benefit both teams. Henson, llyasova, and knight do not benefit the suns unless they are only part of the package. You , the suns organization are looking for "assets" which none of these players are.
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The majority of Suns fans on RealGM keep talking out of both sides of their mouth. They want top tie talent in a S&T for Bledsoe but don't think he's worth a near max contract. Bledsoe will either get you a minimal return or he'll walk for nothing next year.

No we're not saying that at all. Bledsoe is a top 30-40 player in the league. Obviously not a max player but again a top 30-40 player in the nba. We just want something more than the 100-150th best player in the nba. That's all. We just want fair all around. We aren't trying to rape your assets but we would like to get something of value back. That's it. Just like any fan or GM would want. Expiring contracts or marginal players are is not value to the suns right now.


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[Chuck Diesel]

I'd send Zaza to the Spurs in a sign and trade for Aron Baynes & the rights to Davis Bertans. Bertans is for sure going to be a knock down NBA shooter.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Knight is only really an asset until the trade deadline.

Well Brandon jennings turned out to be an asset so there's that

I guess anything is possible.

jeez your afflicted by this guy.

[raferfenix]

"Fair" isn't a consideration in bare knuckle negotiations. And clearly the Suns and Bledsoe are well past that.

Even if he signs the QO I suspect he'll be traded. It seems clear that Phoenix doesn't want to pay him what it appears it will take with maxing out Dragic on the horizon. Something has to give.

And if the Suns wait until he does sign the QO, then he'll have much more leverage to dictate where he goes -- regardless of whether what that team is offering is fair, much less more valuable than what the Bucks would offer.

[CanadaBucks]

I wonder if Suns fans thought a TPE was fair for Isaiah Thomas....this is a S&T not a straight trade

[KidA24]

I appreciate that bucks fans want Bledsoe while giving up minimal assets but you have to also see it from a suns prospective. You have to be willing to give up more that just your leftovers for Bledsoe. If the suns and bucks want to trade, it has to benefit both teams. Henson, llyasova, and knight do not benefit the suns unless they are only part of the package. You , the suns organization are looking for "assets" which none of these players are.
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The majority of Suns fans on RealGM keep talking out of both sides of their mouth. They want top tie talent in a S&T for Bledsoe but don't think he's worth a near max contract. Bledsoe will either get you a minimal return or he'll walk for nothing next year.

No we're not saying that at all. Bledsoe is a top 30-40 player in the league. Obviously not a max player but again a top 30-40 player in the nba. We just want something more than the 100-150th best player in the nba. That's all. We just want fair all around. We aren't trying to rape your assets but we would like to get something of value back. That's it. Just like any fan or GM would want. Expiring contracts or marginal players are is not value to the suns right now.


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Yep, a top 30 or 40 player who's about to become a non-asset on the deal he's going to sign, according to what YOU just said.

Why should the Bucks pony up anything for a non-asset?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

No we're not saying that at all. Bledsoe is a top 30-40 player in the league. Obviously not a max player but again a top 30-40 player in the nba. We just want something more than the 100-150th best player in the nba. That's all. We just want fair all around. We aren't trying to rape your assets but we would like to get something of value back. That's it. Just like any fan or GM would want. Expiring contracts or marginal players are is not value to the suns right now.

whats the going rate for top 30-40 players on max deals?

your suggesting its another top 30-40 player who isn't on a max deal?

like it or not your talking out of both sides of your mouth. Bledsoes trade value on a reasonable deal is worth a hell of alot more Bledsoe on a max deal. your very own front office is proving it as we speak. it appears they may not even want him at all if it comes with that higher price tag.

what was the return for joe Johnson? theres a starting point for discussion. he was a young, blossoming top 30-40 player on a max deal. did you get a top 30-40 player back for him, or NOT?

[AussieBuck]

Well Brandon jennings turned out to be an asset so there's that

I guess anything is possible.

jeez your afflicted by this guy.

Function of his contract status and the amount of PGs in the league better than him. He's an RFA backup PG. Odds are he's worth nothing to the team if we keep him to the end of the season. He just isn't very good, you're the dude who's evaluation is clashing with reality.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I guess anything is possible.

jeez your afflicted by this guy.

Function of his contract status and the amount of PGs in the league better than him. He's an RFA backup PG. Odds are he's worth nothing to the team if we keep him to the end of the season. He just isn't very good, you're the dude who's evaluation is clashing with reality.

my opinion is far closer to the consensus than yours. young athletic scoring combo guards who can guard both positions, and be had for mle money.... have value in this league in case you hadn't noticed.

August 19, 2005: Joe Johnson was traded by the Phoenix Suns to the Atlanta Hawks for Boris Diaw, a 2006 1st round draft pick (Rajon Rondo was later selected) and a 2008 1st round draft pick (Robin Lopez was later selected).

so theres our Bledsoe deal spelled out in black and white. a young talent who at the time was a disappointment(diaw) and 2 lotto protected 1sts(rajon went 21st and lopez 15th).

id have no problem whatsoever with giving up a package along those lines and that's fair value. Bledsoe and Johnson are about as equal in value at this same point in their careers as you can get.

[breakchains]

The sooner we can get rid of Knight, the better, IMO. I am going to be worried about what we do with him until we offer him too much. Hopefully he thinks he can get more elsewhere and balks.

[emunney]

The downside is the Suns' fan douches are back.

Nah, that's ok. I go over on their board about once a week and post something on Bledsoe, so it's all good with them coming over here.

I think the issue is what was noted above. The Suns fans do not quite appreciate the predicament they are in with their asset or if they do, they don't want to let on. Yes, the Suns "hold all the cards" and can force Bledsoe to accept 4/$48mm or take the QO.

The problem is that if they go that route, and Bledsoe does take the QO twelve-days from now, they've "won" the poker hand, but at the same time got shot trying to escape the casino with their winnings. Bledsoe on the QO means he's going to be a distraction all year and he's 100% leaving in nine-months, come July 1, 2015 for no compensation.

Nobody wins in the QO. Mutual annihilation.

[lilfishi22]

Funny thing is Henson is better than anything you have at C at the moment

Marginally. Still doesn't make him any more of an asset considering they're all below average tier C's at the moment (Plumlee could make a case for being average).