LUKE23 wrote:So this one Curry injury completely negates everything?
Nope. Its also his injury history. And his injuries going forward. You really want another 5-8 years of watching our best player in and out of the lineup?
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LUKE23 wrote:So this one Curry injury completely negates everything?
JimmyTheKid wrote:
Nope. Its also his injury history. And his injuries going forward. You really want another 5-8 years of watching our best player in and out of the lineup?
LUKE23 wrote:JimmyTheKid wrote:
Nope. Its also his injury history. And his injuries going forward. You really want another 5-8 years of watching our best player in and out of the lineup?
When the healthy team actually has a ceiling, of course. You can take your 42 win ceiling team, I'll take the team that has a chance at much higher but if injured actually has a shot at a good pick.
Ellis doesn't help us win. Whatsoever. The fact that he is healthy is absolutely 100% irrelevant to me.
JimmyTheKid wrote:
Because thats what I want. Another year scrapping for the 8th seed. I'm not talking about tanking or ceiling or contending or anything else. I'm only talking about the haul. The trade in isolation. Its all I've ever argued or debated after reading hundreds of posts by Bucks fans blasting the deal like it was the worst trade in NBA history. I know this organization has been funny bad. I've seen 3 winning seasons in my entire basketball watching life.
This particular argument has always been about the trade and the trade only.
oft-injured-Bogut/sociopath-SJax (a conveniently forgotten part of the deal) for Ellis/Udoh/Kwame expiring
emunney wrote:If I trade you a grape for $50 and then burn the $50, bad trade for me?
emunney wrote:Let's say we had made the trade for Curry. Then we turned around in the offseason and dealt Curry for a future 2nd rounder. Where was the mistake made?
emunney wrote:I think in the past you've identified players as assets even though we haven't actually traded them (Sessions, for example). What's different here?
DrugBust wrote:I honestly think it's pointless to speculate on Ellis's worth. You and I know Ellis sucks all kinds of ass. You would think that GMs running NBA teams would be smart enough to know this. But NBA GMs make stupid trades and hand out stupid money all the time. They look at box score stats and see ohhhh flashy guard. So who in the hell knows what kind of package he'll get.
DrugBust wrote:So who in the hell knows what kind of package he'll get.
LUKE23 wrote:But we wouldn't have taken White. I know you're trying to make an example here, but I think we should deal in reality I guess I need it to be explained to me how Ellis is an asset though, if:
1. He hasn't helped us win a relevant amount of games. You could easily argue he's actually cost us wins.
2. He doesn't garner anything worthwhile at the trade deadline (still up for debate).
I mean, I get the signing Ersan and Udoh aspect of it. But if those are the lasting items of a Bogut deal, when we could have had Curry or Jeremy Lamb, I think I know which one I'm picking.