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Bill Simmons Trade Value Column 

Post#1 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:45 pm

Was up yesterday.

Regardless of your opinion of Simmons, I think these are entertaining and I look forward to them every year. The fact that he's responsible for Grantland gets him a permanent pass in my book.

No Bucks in the top 50, save a mention of Jennings:

Brandon Jennings: Anyone thinking of overpaying Jennings this summer will ignore his crunch-time numbers (abysmal) and shot selection (dubious), and concentrate on things like "he's fun to watch" (mostly true), "he's charismatic" (definitely true) and "he's only going to keep getting better and better" (you'd think that would be true). Well …

Year 1 (age 20): 32.6 MPG, 15.5 PPG, 5.7 APG, 37-37-82%, 14.5 PER
Year 4 (age 23): 36.2 MPG, 17.5 PPG, 6.5 APG, 40-38-82%, 16.1 PER

So he's barely improved in four NBA seasons? That's weird. Wait, I'm getting flashbacks to another overrated lefty point guard who peaked in his first four years, never improved, ended up getting overpaid and started tailing off in Year 5 … uh-oh … wait a second … GOOD GOD, THAT'S DAMON STOUDAMIRE'S MUSIC!!!!!!


and this dude:

42. Tobias Harris 17
Now here's someone who is underrated! Let's quickly recap the last two months for your average Bucks fan.

• Mid-February: "J.J. Redick! Woo-hoo!!!! Let's just hope that Harris kid doesn't come back to haunt us."

• Mid-March: "I don't care how well Harris is playing — I still like the Redick deal for us."

• Late March: "We need a new GM."

• Early April: "I'm not looking at Orlando's box scores anymore."

• April 10: Best described with this clip:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwXD0hCvtX4[/youtube]

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Re: Bill Simmons Trade Value Column 

Post#2 » by europa » Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:48 pm

One of the many sad things about the Bucks is how an entire team was built around two players primarily because they are allegedly "fun to watch."
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Post#3 » by JimmyTheKid » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:08 pm

DrugBust wrote:Was up yesterday.
42. Tobias Harris 17
Now here's someone who is underrated! Let's quickly recap the last two months for your average Bucks fan.

• Mid-February: "J.J. Redick! Woo-hoo!!!! Let's just hope that Harris kid doesn't come back to haunt us."

• Mid-March: "I don't care how well Harris is playing — I still like the Redick deal for us."

• Late March: "We need a new GM."

• Early April: "I'm not looking at Orlando's box scores anymore."


Except for the fact that ZERO Bucks fans I know said "JJ Redick! Woo-hoo!!!!" or "I don't care how well Harris is playing - I still like the Redick deal for us."
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Post#4 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:09 pm

Ha, you're insane if you don't think there was a large number of fans that weren't excited to get Redick.

Simmons isn't talking about RealGM fans, he's talking about JS fans.
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Post#5 » by europa » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:10 pm

There's some hyperbole involved to be sure but there were Bucks' fans in this forum who praised the trade when it happened and immediately ignored how well Tobes played for the Magic. Some continue to ignore it.
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Post#6 » by emunney » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:12 pm

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Post#7 » by europa » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:13 pm

Pretty sure there's a thread nearing 300 pages with as much information as anyone would need.
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Post#8 » by smauss » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:16 pm

I liked us bringing in Redick but I hated the fact that Tobes was involved in any way! I hate the fact that we came out of the deadline with Jennings still on this roster!
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Post#9 » by emunney » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:17 pm

So... Sigra and DB?
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Post#10 » by JimmyTheKid » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:18 pm

DrugBust wrote:Ha, you're insane if you don't think there was a large number of fans that weren't excited to get Redick.


Like I said, "ZERO Bucks fans I know"... because my friends are smart and know basketball. Not to mention the overwhelming MAJORITY of this board hated the trade. So, no, I'm not "insane."
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Post#11 » by Wooderson » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:20 pm

Died when I got to this paragraph.

Simmons wrote:Tony Allen: T.A. would have cracked the top 50 if he weren't an expiring contract — he's recovered from last year's knee problem and back to being the League's Best One-On-One Perimeter Defender Not Named LeBron. Memphis lost in seven to the Clippers last spring for two reasons. First, Rudy Gay didn't just **** the bed in that series; he whipped his feces at the ceiling fan so it sprayed all over the arena. And second, Tony Allen wasn't healthy and couldn't bother Chris Paul at all. This spring? He'll be bothering Chris Paul.



I have to think Sanders will be in the top 20, minimum. Simmons is a big fan of the Sloan conference, so even if he hasn't watched Sanders all that much, he should still be aware of his impact.
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Post#12 » by PkrsBcksGphsMqt » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:21 pm

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Post#13 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:23 pm

emunney wrote:So... Sigra and DB?


I was less "YAY JJ Redick he's the best!" and more "I don't give a **** about losing Harris." I'm still very apathetic.
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Post#14 » by James1980 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:26 pm

That was only players who missed list and top 50-39. Part 2 comes out today. I have to believe that Sanders is top 50. Would be nice to still have 42 though.
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Post#15 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:44 pm

Maybe the only real eyebrow raiser is Drummond. I don't think I could come up with 45 guys I'd rather have than him.
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Post#16 » by Nowak008 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:10 pm

Not sure why its so trendy to hate on BS now. He is always entertaining, he is one of the few that picks NFL games with the spread, knows his stuff when it comes to the NBA, and Grantland is pretty much the best thing ever.
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Post#17 » by Nebula1 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:34 pm

Simmons has sucked since getting married, moving to LA and having kids. He's a shell of the Sports Guy. However, still a decent read every now and then when he's not talking about TV or celebrities or whatever.

I think most like JJ Redick and see his value, but hated moving Harris to get him and wouldn't do the deal. Nothing against JJ.
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Post#18 » by Nebula1 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:09 pm

Is anybody surprised with MKG's game at the NBA level? Simmons has him as part of a Sam Bowie curse, but this is exactly what I expected. Eventually the jumper will improve, but I think most knew what they were getting and is working fine as part of Charlotte's tanking.
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Post#19 » by El Duderino » Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:12 pm

• Early April: "I'm not looking at Orlando's box scores anymore."


I almost got to this point.

I had already stopped watching the youtube compilations posted in the Harris thread, it just annoyed me to much to watch those anymore. A buddy of mine who was so mad about the trade refused to even look at the box scores and one night he was over watching NCAA Tournament games. When i started to mention a great night Tobias had, my buddy literally got really annoyed and told me to shut up because he didn't want to hear anymore.
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Post#20 » by jeremyd236 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:00 pm

DrugBust wrote:No Bucks in the top 50, save a mention of Jennings:



Do you know something I don't know? I see part one up there. Or are you just jumping to conclusions? I'd be shocked if Larry Sanders was not in the top 50.

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