Malcolm Brogdon Thread

[skones]

Lowe:



Alright, don't kill me. But...

Should the Bucks think about cashing in on Brogdon? He's ideal for this team and he's been playing great. But if he could be the main chip (with, say, a protected pick) to bring back an available top 40ish player, do you do it? I'm thinking Favors.

No chance he has that value.

What is his value, do you think?

I mean we're 30+ games into his rookie year, he doesn't have any until the end of this season with a full body of work under his belt. Otherwise teams risk too much going wrong given the limited sample size, particularly as it pertains to his ability to knock down the 3. Brogdon is also a year and a half younger than Favors who's been in the league for some time. His perceived upside is limited.

His value is "not worth trading because it's not going to be suitable return," unless he's a kicker to push a larger deal through that sways greatly in our direction.

[Rockmaninoff]

Is Favors really valuable? Seems like a good all around player, but is he really impactful? Is impactful a made up word? Is Utah facing George Hill / Gordon Hayward / Joe Ingles cap hell unless they can move Favors or Burks?

[ReasonablySober]

No chance he has that value.

What is his value, do you think?

I mean we're 30+ games into his rookie year, he doesn't have any until the end of this season with a full body of work under his belt. Otherwise teams risk too much going wrong given the limited sample size, particularly as it pertains to his ability to knock down the 3. Brogdon is also a year and a half younger than Favors who's been in the league for some time. His perceived upside is limited.

His value is "not worth trading because it's not going to be suitable return," unless he's a kicker to push a larger deal through that sways greatly in our direction.

If he keeps getting starter minutes, and I hope he does, he'll start accumulating the counting stats that tend to make people suddenly pay attention.

I don't love the stat, but right now he's sandwiched between Wesley Matthews and Tyler Johnson in ESPN's Real +/-, and ahead of DeRozan.

His value comes from being a good two way player right now AND being dirt cheap for the next 2.5 seasons.

[skones]

What is his value, do you think?

I mean we're 30+ games into his rookie year, he doesn't have any until the end of this season with a full body of work under his belt. Otherwise teams risk too much going wrong given the limited sample size, particularly as it pertains to his ability to knock down the 3. Brogdon is also a year and a half younger than Favors who's been in the league for some time. His perceived upside is limited.

His value is "not worth trading because it's not going to be suitable return," unless he's a kicker to push a larger deal through that sways greatly in our direction.

If he keeps getting starter minutes, and I hope he does, he'll start accumulating the counting stats that tend to make people suddenly pay attention.

I don't love the stat, but right now he's sandwiched between Wesley Matthews and Tyler Johnson in ESPN's Real +/-, and ahead of DeRozan.

His value comes from being a good two way player right now AND being dirt cheap for the next 2.5 seasons.

And his lack of value comes from being "unproven." If that three point percentage starts to take a nosedive, he's not nearly as valuable, and that will be the trepidation amongst potential trade partners.

With that being said, good two way player AND being dirt cheap is EXACTLY what we need with the Henson and Plumlee BS on our roster.

[ReasonablySober]

I mean we're 30+ games into his rookie year, he doesn't have any until the end of this season with a full body of work under his belt. Otherwise teams risk too much going wrong given the limited sample size, particularly as it pertains to his ability to knock down the 3. Brogdon is also a year and a half younger than Favors who's been in the league for some time. His perceived upside is limited.

His value is "not worth trading because it's not going to be suitable return," unless he's a kicker to push a larger deal through that sways greatly in our direction.

If he keeps getting starter minutes, and I hope he does, he'll start accumulating the counting stats that tend to make people suddenly pay attention.

I don't love the stat, but right now he's sandwiched between Wesley Matthews and Tyler Johnson in ESPN's Real +/-, and ahead of DeRozan.

His value comes from being a good two way player right now AND being dirt cheap for the next 2.5 seasons.

And his lack of value comes from being "unproven." If that three point percentage starts to take a nosedive, he's not nearly as valuable, and that will be the trepidation amongst potential trade partners.

I don't really buy this with Brogdon. A 19 or 20 year old on a hot streak, sure. But everyone knew Brogdon was NBA ready. His play has simply confirmed what people thought of him at UVA.

You're right, the percentages can definitely dive and take away some of the shine. But it's all the more reason to keep feeding him to the wolves.

[skones]

If he keeps getting starter minutes, and I hope he does, he'll start accumulating the counting stats that tend to make people suddenly pay attention.

I don't love the stat, but right now he's sandwiched between Wesley Matthews and Tyler Johnson in ESPN's Real +/-, and ahead of DeRozan.

His value comes from being a good two way player right now AND being dirt cheap for the next 2.5 seasons.

And his lack of value comes from being "unproven." If that three point percentage starts to take a nosedive, he's not nearly as valuable, and that will be the trepidation amongst potential trade partners.

I don't really buy this with Brogdon. A 19 or 20 year old on a hot streak, sure. But everyone knew Brogdon was NBA ready. His play has simply confirmed what people thought of him at UVA.

You're right, the percentages can definitely dive and take away some of the shine. But it's all the more reason to keep feeding him to the wolves.

Confirmation that he was indeed NBA ready is not equal to top 40 player.

[M-C-G]

And his lack of value comes from being "unproven." If that three point percentage starts to take a nosedive, he's not nearly as valuable, and that will be the trepidation amongst potential trade partners.

I don't really buy this with Brogdon. A 19 or 20 year old on a hot streak, sure. But everyone knew Brogdon was NBA ready. His play has simply confirmed what people thought of him at UVA.

You're right, the percentages can definitely dive and take away some of the shine. But it's all the more reason to keep feeding him to the wolves.

Confirmation that he was indeed NBA ready is not equal to top 40 player.

Wait, did you think he meant Brog Dog for Favors straight up?

[ReasonablySober]

I don't really buy this with Brogdon. A 19 or 20 year old on a hot streak, sure. But everyone knew Brogdon was NBA ready. His play has simply confirmed what people thought of him at UVA.

You're right, the percentages can definitely dive and take away some of the shine. But it's all the more reason to keep feeding him to the wolves.

Confirmation that he was indeed NBA ready is not equal to top 40 player.

Wait, did you think he meant Brog Dog for Favors straight up?

Right. By virtue of salaries alone there'd need to be more assets, and probably 1st round pick(s).

But Favors has been injured, he's got only one year left on his deal, and Utah probably won't be able to pay everyone. I don't know what Favors's value is. But a good starting spot is a young, cheap, quality two-way player.

[Ron Swanson]

Not a huge fan of Favors either way, and especially not on only a contract signed through next year. Never been super efficient. Never been an elite rim-protector or defender. And I think he's way more of a PF than a C.

I don't think he's a player that "moves the needle" nearly as much as some people like to believe he does, and Utah seems to be having their best season in years (22-15) with him missing games, and averaging career lows in efficiency, and numbers across the board. Only validates my suspicions/criticisms.

[skones]

I don't really buy this with Brogdon. A 19 or 20 year old on a hot streak, sure. But everyone knew Brogdon was NBA ready. His play has simply confirmed what people thought of him at UVA.

You're right, the percentages can definitely dive and take away some of the shine. But it's all the more reason to keep feeding him to the wolves.

Confirmation that he was indeed NBA ready is not equal to top 40 player.

Wait, did you think he meant Brog Dog for Favors straight up?

He explicitly states "main chip" (ie best asset) meaning Brogdon is the main event in a deal for Favors. It's not "I think," it's what he said.

[M-C-G]

Not a huge fan of Favors either way, and especially not on only a contract signed through next year. Never been super efficient. Never been an elite rim-protector or defender. And I think he's way more of a PF than a C.

I don't think he's a player that "moves the needle" nearly as much as some people like to believe he does, and Utah seems to be having their best season in years (22-15) with him missing games, and averaging career lows in efficiency, and numbers across the board. Only validates my suspicions/criticisms.

I mean, last three season above TS .55, not sure I agree with that argument. The main argument I can see that he is a PF is because he plays on a team with Rudy Gobert. Of the two, Rudy certainly wasn't making the move to PF. And this year, when we had a Jazz fan chime in, he was playing hurt and was not playing well.

Anyway, I don't really want to trade Brog Dog anyway, but like I said, Favors is one of the guys I would be interested in if we did (would rather find another way to get him though)

[M-C-G]

Confirmation that he was indeed NBA ready is not equal to top 40 player.

Wait, did you think he meant Brog Dog for Favors straight up?

He explicitly states "main chip" (ie best asset) meaning Brogdon is the main event in a deal for Favors. It's not "I think," it's what he said.

Yeah, I glossed over the "main chip" piece and figured it was a 1st, Brog and something to get the deal done. I'd be interested but like I said, I am pretty damn happy keeping him here.

[BuckHole]

Question: Who was the last Buck rookie, in your opinion, that has performed as well as Brogdon?


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[HKPackFan]

Question: Who was the last Buck rookie, in your opinion, that has performed as well as Brogdon?


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Ray Allen? (obviously not in the same way).

[buckbeer]

Yes Ray Allen, to me he's the best Bucks rookie since Ray Allen.

So glad that president Brogdon remains the starter, to me he's part of the Bucks core together with Giannis, Jabari and Khris.

[skones]

Question: Who was the last Buck rookie, in your opinion, that has performed as well as Brogdon?


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TJ Ford maybe? A Jennings argument could be made as well for what he gave that team in spurts.

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[HKPackFan]

Question: Who was the last Buck rookie, in your opinion, that has performed as well as Brogdon?


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TJ Ford maybe? A Jennings argument could be made as well for what he gave that team in spurts.

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I was also thinking about TJ Ford but couldn't remember when he got hurt. That whole decade is becoming one sad blur after 2001.

[paulpressey25]

Question: Who was the last Buck rookie, in your opinion, that has performed as well as Brogdon?


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TJ Ford is the last rookie we had who contributed to meaningful wins as a rookie like Malcolm is doing.

ETA:TJ went down in February of his rookie year. And that was it until he returned 18 months later.

[Prez]

This dude has saved our season and it can't be stated enough. Without him we'd be relying on Delly as our sole guard playmaker/creator. That's messing with my head. Brogdon being ready to play from day 1 has completely altered the outlook of our season.

[RiotPunch]

Change you can Broglieve in.