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MIDDLETON TORN HAMSTRING - OUT 6 MONTHS

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Re: MIDDLETON TORN HAMSTRING - OUT 6 MONTHS 

Post#561 » by JimmyTheKid » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:49 pm

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JimmyTheKid wrote:Yup. Middleton is simply not replaceable and unfortunately we're going to have to wait until next year to see if we surrounded our core with the right pieces. Its f***ing depressing as hell.



Ok, I'm in the minority here, but Middleton is an above average NBA player and that is all. He can't create his own offense unless it's a spot up jumper or fast break layup. Good defender.

He mill be missed, but it's not anything major. A serviceable SG will suffice and we'll be ok.


I agree he's above average and not much more than that. Unfortunately, we not only need him to spread the floor on offense, but we need his stellar defense, and ability to guard multiple positions, as well. So, yes, "only" above average, but still not replaceable. Unless we want to trade Jabari, Giannis, or future 1sts. Which we don't.
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Post#562 » by Prez » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:51 pm

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JimmyTheKid wrote:Yup. Middleton is simply not replaceable and unfortunately we're going to have to wait until next year to see if we surrounded our core with the right pieces. Its f***ing depressing as hell.



Ok, I'm in the minority here, but Middleton is an above average NBA player and that is all. He can't create his own offense unless it's a spot up jumper or fast break layup. Good defender.

He mill be missed, but it's not anything major. A serviceable SG will suffice and we'll be ok.

Except that for the majority of last year he was pretty clearly the best player on the team at creating offense, and by both the eye test and the numbers was one of the league's better iso scorers.
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Post#563 » by LUKE23 » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:52 pm

He can't create his own offense? Huh?
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Post#564 » by Ron Swanson » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:55 pm

I suppose if we're going to call a top 20-30 player "above average"....
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Post#565 » by coolhandluke121 » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:56 pm

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Ill-yasova wrote:I read a couple articles that said a grade three like this could be as little as 3 months. Cross your fingers and hope for the best.


I'm sure Mids is in better shape than I was and has a much better recovery program planned, but I've had a grade-3 tear (off the bone avulsion) in both left and right, one from a marathon at 25 years and one from playing flag football 32 years old. At 25 with average therapy it took me 6 months but the explosion was never the same and I've injured it twice since. At 32, I quickly became 42 years old after the injury. So many hamstring troubles in football these days as well: Mathews for his first three years and now Burnett and Linsley this year. Are they under-stretching over over-stretching?


I've read that having under-developed quads puts more stress on the hamstring. Probably the risk factor I've seen cited most often, in literally everything I've read, is upping your activity too soon instead of progressively getting in shape. My guess is Khris starting doing a lot more basketball-related activity because training camp is coming up, and once you're past 20 you can't take your body for granted anymore.

I also wouldn't guarantee that Khris is in better shape than you were. I don't know you, but if you did a marathon at 25, you were probably in pretty good shape. Khris is certainly a much better athlete than you, but for all we know he was lazy all summer. He did come to camp pretty out of shape last year. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but being out of shape at that age is alarming. You want to invest in and build around guys who live for physical activity and competition. Guys like that should never get out of shape until they're just too old to keep up.
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Post#566 » by DanoMac » Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:41 pm

Devastating injury. Wish this would have happened in early summer so we could've given a guy like Eric Gordon a low risk, high reward contract.

Hopefully we don't react by making a Sam Bradford type trade.
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Post#567 » by th87 » Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:27 pm

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Ill-yasova wrote:I read a couple articles that said a grade three like this could be as little as 3 months. Cross your fingers and hope for the best.


I'm sure Mids is in better shape than I was and has a much better recovery program planned, but I've had a grade-3 tear (off the bone avulsion) in both left and right, one from a marathon at 25 years and one from playing flag football 32 years old. At 25 with average therapy it took me 6 months but the explosion was never the same and I've injured it twice since. At 32, I quickly became 42 years old after the injury. So many hamstring troubles in football these days as well: Mathews for his first three years and now Burnett and Linsley this year. Are they under-stretching over over-stretching?


How "never the same"? Like 90%?
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Post#568 » by imithanos » Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:50 pm

Do we have any update?
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Post#569 » by H2tObes » Fri Sep 23, 2016 11:19 pm

I can't get over this, was so excited for this season and now I just feel apathetic. I'm just hoping Mids can come back 100%
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Post#570 » by Prez » Fri Sep 23, 2016 11:30 pm

Literally the only thing keeping me from nuclear meltdown mode is the possibility of Giannis/Jabari going OFF

Still clinging to the hope that Khris can come back in the last 15-20
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Post#571 » by M-C-G » Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:06 am

I mean this is disappointing but some of you guys are just whiny as hell. Giannis and Jabari will have virtually unlimited usage opportunities. Let's get the training wheels off these guys and watch them blow up.


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Post#572 » by H2tObes » Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:24 am

M-C-G wrote:I mean this is disappointing but some of you guys are just whiny as hell. Giannis and Jabari will have virtually unlimited usage opportunities. Let's get the training wheels off these guys and watch them blow up.


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Whiny as hell because I'm bummed about our best player from last season going down? Giannis & Jabari already have gotten their training wheels off, this season was supposed to be a fight for a playoff spot and now it's likely another year down the drain. This whole situation sucks and if you aren't annoyed by it then don't call other people whiny for being annoyed by it
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Post#573 » by blazza18 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:27 am

The roster is such a mess, Middleton is one of the only few who actually make sense on the team and now hes' probably gone for the season. If people want to whine, let them whine.
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Post#574 » by Bernman » Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:55 am

imithanos wrote:Do we have any update?


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Post#575 » by Nowak008 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:47 am

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Post#576 » by LUKE23 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:38 pm

Bucks 12.6 points per 100 possessions worse without Middleton last year.
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Post#577 » by Ayt » Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:21 pm

"Starting at guard! Number 3! Jason Terry!!!!!!!!!"

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Post#578 » by VooDoo7 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:46 pm

Whenever I'm feeling down, I like to watch this video. Tho seeing Mids hurts.

3:35 mark...how high Giannis has the ball above the rim. :-o

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Post#579 » by Istanbullus » Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:53 pm

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Istanbullus wrote:
Ill-yasova wrote:I read a couple articles that said a grade three like this could be as little as 3 months. Cross your fingers and hope for the best.


I'm sure Mids is in better shape than I was and has a much better recovery program planned, but I've had a grade-3 tear (off the bone avulsion) in both left and right, one from a marathon at 25 years and one from playing flag football 32 years old. At 25 with average therapy it took me 6 months but the explosion was never the same and I've injured it twice since. At 32, I quickly became 42 years old after the injury. So many hamstring troubles in football these days as well: Mathews for his first three years and now Burnett and Linsley this year. Are they under-stretching over over-stretching?


How "never the same"? Like 90%?


70% My net play in tennis went down the hill and when a WR beat me off the snap I was cooked. Worse, I was always worried about how much effort to give those first two sudden steps in any sport. As Luke said--think it was Luke--Mids has to strengthen everything around the hammy, especially the quads, before going back to work.
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Post#580 » by bucksfansince88 » Sun Sep 25, 2016 3:59 pm

gotta work and activate those glutes Khris.

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