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Re: Pre-Draft Workouts 

Post#101 » by horaceworthy » Mon Jun 6, 2011 8:50 pm

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Krapinsky wrote:Those free throws were yarrible though. Offensively he's going to be Pekovic without the nice FT touch and post game -- a traveling offensive fouling machine. He's going to be turn over prone for sure.

Not sure if i buy the medical record proof from some shady spanish doctor.

That said, I still like him, but I like him at #6, not #2. Then again I don't really like picking any of these guys at 2. We need to trade down.

I agree, I've really cooled and Biyombo, especially at #2. Kanter is lighting me on fire! I think he's going to end up being one of the best players in this class, I just don't see that from Derrick Williams. Kanter has a smooth post game, great rebounder, has a jumper, has good agility/athleticism as well.

Haven't seen nearly as much as I would have liked to on him, but unless he's made strides while at Kentucky, I don't think Kanter's post game could be described as smooth. Seems like more of a thumper with good patience, good touch around the rim and not much of a left hand. His scoring more dependent on establishing position and then trying to knock his defender under the basket. This is coming from limited viewing, but I really haven't seen anything that I would equate to a smooth post game.

I won't throw a hissy if the Wolves draft Kanter like I did when they drafted Wes, there's a lot to like about Kanter. He moves well for his bulk, has a very nice jumper, has shown a bit of ability to create from the high post since he's comfortable putting the ball on the floor. He does a good job carving space in the paint and has a nose for the ball. I also like that Turkey's a country that has produced some solid NBA players. What worries me is that, from a size standpoint, he's a bit lacking for manning the pivot next to Love. I don't like how he tends to bring the ball down to his waist when he gathers himself in order to finish at the rim. I think his ceiling as a defender is closer to above average than elite. I don't think pairing another below the rim big man with Love is a recipe for long term success.

To me, drafting Kanter means there's a good chance the Wolves are drafting the replacement for Love, currently the best player on the team. I'm not completely opposed to that, as Kanter has better two way potential than Love, but I think Valanciunas and possibly Biyombo are better options.
"A while back,'' Cardinal said, "I took a picture of the standings and texted it to Love, just to bust his chops,'' Cardinal said. "He sent me a picture back of a snowdrift.''
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Re: Pre-Draft Workouts 

Post#102 » by Vindicater » Mon Jun 6, 2011 8:59 pm

horaceworthy wrote: but I think Valanciunas and possibly Biyombo are better options.


This is the guy who I think can help us the most, the problems are.

1). He is not worth taking with the 2nd pick.

2). His buyout might turn into another Rubio like situation which we don't need.
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Re: Pre-Draft Workouts 

Post#103 » by horaceworthy » Mon Jun 6, 2011 9:16 pm

1) Depends on whether this is actually a 2 player draft or it's just seen as one since everybody got a chance to see Williams do his thing in the NCAA tournament, which wasn't a possibility for Valanciunas, Kanter and Biyombo. I'm not sure where I stand on that right now, but I agree it would be best to trade down if Valanciunas were to be the pick (the #4 and #8 deal is almost too perfect in my mind, since it could very well mean Valanciunas and Burks).

2) I agree that's why the FO could shy away. Personally, it doesn't bother me and wouldn't keep me from targeting him, but it's a lot easier for me to say that since it isn't my job on the line.
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Re: Pre-Draft Workouts 

Post#104 » by AQuintus » Mon Jun 6, 2011 9:32 pm

Vindicater wrote:
This is the guy who I think can help us the most, the problems are.

1). He is not worth taking with the 2nd pick.

2). His buyout might turn into another Rubio like situation which we don't need.


3) He's extremely skinny and weak which has resulted in him having a ridiculous foul rate.

4) Do to his slight frame, he might be stuck as a PF in the NBA.
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Post#105 » by TheProdigy » Mon Jun 6, 2011 10:08 pm

DraftExpress Jonathan GivonyI don't know if he's just tired here or what but he looks really lethargic playing vs very weak competition. Getting destroyed on defense.

Doesn't mesh well with the assertion that Kanter can defend in the NBA.
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Re: Pre-Draft Workouts 

Post#106 » by Klomp » Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:11 pm

@DraftExpress Jonathan Givony
Two minutes in and you can already tell that Bismack Biyombo is not a "workout guy". Looks very nervous, airballing layups.Really struggling


@DraftExpress Jonathan Givony
Despite the bad hands, the lack of skills & general polish, you still can't teach the agility & explosiveness Bismack Biyombo's showing here


DraftExpress Jonathan Givony
I think Bismack Biyombo would have been better off playing one game of 5 on 5 to truly show the impact he can make. He's not a 1 on 0 type.


@DraftExpress Jonathan Givony
Measurements just handed out here at the EuroCamp. Bismack Biyombo 6-8 w/out shoes, 7-6 wingspan, 9-4 standing reach, 245 lbs, 4.2% body fat


@franfraschilla Fran Fraschilla
Bismack Biyambo just worked out at Adidas Eurocamp in front of most of the league. Really, really athletic but NOT Serge Ibaka. Raw skills.


@DraftExpress Jonathan Givony
NBA exec: "People who liked Biyombo already won't change their opinion after this today. But those who were skeptical will be even more now"
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Post#107 » by lobishome » Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:15 pm

I've read Bisyombo had a alone workout in Treviso and it's was a disaster.
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Post#108 » by dunkonu21 » Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:44 pm

Valaciounas and Burks would be amazing.
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Post#109 » by moss_is_1 » Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:44 pm

Yeah seems Biyombo really had a rough time. Shooting jumpers and not making them, maybe he will slide and we can move up from #20 to snag him and have him be a rotational center instead of Pek, I still think his physical tools are just too good to pass up.
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Post#110 » by TheProdigy » Sat Jun 11, 2011 6:24 pm

Not surprised that Biyombo struggled in an individual workout. I don't think it will hurt his value at all. Get him in a gym against other players and his impact is obvious.
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Post#111 » by eyeteeth » Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:52 pm

Doubt the Wolves take Biyombo. Too much risk for a team that needs to get better right away.

I'm becoming increasingly indifferent to the #2 pick. They will either get somebody or not. Trade it or not. I don't care so much. Que sera sera.

The number 20 I am very interested in. More and more I really want to see us get Malcolm Lee. He is the distributing, driving, shooting 2 we need. Especially given how few complete 2 guards there are in the NBA today, I think he might be the steal of the draft.
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Post#112 » by TheProdigy » Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:26 am

Here's some footage of Biyombo during his workout at the Eurocamp.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgNY0cFr1JM[/youtube]
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Post#113 » by Klomp » Sun Jun 12, 2011 3:26 am

eyeteeth wrote:The number 20 I am very interested in. More and more I really want to see us get Malcolm Lee. He is the distributing, driving, shooting 2 we need. Especially given how few complete 2 guards there are in the NBA today, I think he might be the steal of the draft.

I have to agree. While not on the same level, I think Lee's skillset is very similar to Iguodala's.
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Re: Pre-Draft Workouts 

Post#114 » by Esohny » Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:34 am

The "can't teach agility" comment was interesting, because I don't think that you can coach away bad hands either.
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Post#115 » by shangrila » Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:16 am

Givony is unrealistically high on Biyombo. Not surprised he would focus entirely on the postives.
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Post#116 » by phonzadellika » Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:56 pm

Maybe Biyombo will take a Whiteside-esque drop in the draft and we get him at 20.

I still like him. He was better in the same game that put Kanter on the map.
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Post#117 » by brassviews » Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:47 pm

Valanciunas is meeting with seven NBA teams in Treviso according to reports. So Minnesota could be an option in the draft for him especially with Kahn there.
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Post#118 » by Esohny » Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:55 pm

brassviews wrote:Valanciunas is meeting with seven NBA teams in Treviso according to reports. So Minnesota could be an option in the draft for him especially with Kahn there.


Isn't his buyout situation still not settled?
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Post#119 » by Devilzsidewalk » Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:18 am

we already knew this about Biyombo, these are not revelations. Its probably not much different than what you'd have gotten from a Ben Wallace pre-draft workout.
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Post#120 » by lobishome » Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:09 am

shangrila wrote:Givony is unrealistically high on Biyombo. Not surprised he would focus entirely on the postives.

This boy, Givony, is the same boy with a contact in Rubio's Camp, whom Rubio's family said he never play in Minnesota, only Miami or NY?

That a bird, Givony. :lol:

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