Trade Ideas thread

SBM · Post #1721 » by **SBM** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 7:34 pm

If Hayward signs with Celts Crowder would be good but he is not a small ball 4 as some here believe. Also, maybe Joe Johnson from Utah but I dont see a trade that works for JOE.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y84kdvqp

Crowder for Aldrich: May have to sweeten the pot but not really worth a 1st

Loyal[]Wolf · Post #1722 » by **Loyal[]Wolf** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 7:50 pm

SBM wrote:If Hayward signs with Celts Crowder would be good but he is not a small ball 4 as some here believe. Also, maybe Joe Johnson from Utah but I dont see a trade that works for JOE.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y84kdvqp

Crowder for Aldrich: May have to sweeten the pot but not really worth a 1st

Cole Aldrich will be worth more next year with an expiring. We could probably get a first next year for him instead of giving up a first this year for getting ridding of him. :lol:

But, I think we need to release him off the salary books because of the next years' max contract Andrew Wiggins.

shrink · Post #1723 » by **shrink** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 7:51 pm

SBM wrote:If Hayward signs with Celts Crowder would be good but he is not a small ball 4 as some here believe. Also, maybe Joe Johnson from Utah but I dont see a trade that works for JOE.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y84kdvqp

Crowder for Aldrich: May have to sweeten the pot but not really worth a 1st

Yes! But I checked our cupboards, and even the pantry, and I'm not sure we have enough sugar. I'd give up a first easily.

Maefteda · Post #1724 » by **Maefteda** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 8:29 pm

Read on Twitter

Could we just go straight to the source on this one? Aldrich and 1st for a sign & trade of CJ Miles?

Or is it possible to tack on a bad contract like Monta Ellis or Al Jefferson instead of the 1st? Any options here?

Post #1725 » by **Worm Guts** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 8:32 pm

Maefteda wrote:

Read on Twitter

Could we just go straight to the source on this one? Aldrich and 1st for a sign & trade of CJ Miles?

Or is it possible to tack on a bad contract like Monta Ellis or Al Jefferson instead of the 1st? Any options here?

We'd have to match salaries, so I don't think taking on a bad contract is an option.

Maefteda · Post #1726 » by **Maefteda** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 8:39 pm

True. And the rule is 125% + 100k compared to the contract going back? So assuming the Pacers would accept a package of Aldrich and OKC 1st, we could pay CJ Miles $9,225,000 million. Does that seem like enough?

shrink · Post #1727 » by **shrink** » Tue Jul 4, 2017 9:26 pm

Maefteda wrote:True. And the rule is 125% + 100k compared to the contract going back? So assuming the Pacers would accept a package of Aldrich and OKC 1st, we could pay CJ Miles $9,225,000 million. Does that seem like enough?

It's only 125% if the incoming salary is over $19.6 mil, or if you are a tax-paying team.

$0 to $6,533,333 -- 175% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000
$6,533,334 to $19.6 million -- The outgoing salary plus $5 million
$19.6 million and up --- 125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000

So trading Cole would allow us to take in $7.3 + $5 mil, or a max offer of $12.3 mil.

Having said that -- I would not pay UFA CJ Miles $12 mil, and I certainly wouldn't use the pick. We can find comparable, but slightly worse guys for much less, if we are patient.

theGreatRC · Post #1728 » by **theGreatRC** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 12:39 am

Thibs gotta call Boston and see what's available for cheap. They're stacked at forward, maybe we can get Crowder or Bradley real cheap.

moss_is_1 · Post #1729 » by **moss_is_1** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 12:48 am

theGreatRC wrote:Thibs gotta call Boston and see what's available for cheap. They're stacked at forward, maybe we can get Crowder or Bradley real cheap.

Bradley would probably be a rental since he's getting paid after the season. Unless we flipped him at the deadline. I'd be all over Crowder. They need rebounding in the worst way.

Streakers33 · Post #1730 » by **Streakers33** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:11 am

moss_is_1 wrote:
theGreatRC wrote:Thibs gotta call Boston and see what's available for cheap. They're stacked at forward, maybe we can get Crowder or Bradley real cheap.

Bradley would probably be a rental since he's getting paid after the season. Unless we flipped him at the deadline. I'd be all over Crowder. They need rebounding in the worst way.

Dftdtx

Now is the time.. send them dieng, Miami 2019 2nd rounder. Rights to swap 2019 1st rd picks. We will take crowder, Bradley, smart .. Boston saves 6 mil and upgrades the front court

Send cole nets with okc pick.

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Gibson mle guy
Wiggins crowder
Butler smart
Teague Bradley

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_AIJ_ · Post #1731 » by **_AIJ_** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 2:11 am

Thats like an overpay for Boston. But i wish itll happen though

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jpatrick · Post #1732 » by **jpatrick** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 2:16 am

Boston will only trade one wing. Still, would love to see us move Aldrich to free up room for a Crowder trade.

shrink · Post #1733 » by **shrink** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 2:35 am

Is removing Cole Aldrich's deal worth it to you to help playoff rival OKC, and devalue the OKC pick we own a little? I think so.

If we simply sign Taj, OKC loses him for nothing. If we do a sign-and-trade, they get a TPE. This may have become more valuable to OKC with the Patrick Patterson trade. Even if we send them Aldrich for a year, they still get a $6.7 mil TPE. If they do a sign-and-trade with TOR (who's happily take a free TPE), they could use our TPE to cover Patrick Patterson, and this means that OKC doesn't have to use it's MLE.

I have other options, but the value of that TPE we could give them just went way up.

shrink · Post #1734 » by **shrink** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 2:53 am

I also wanted to mention that we might not want to be so quick to trade Cole Aldrich right now, for a loss.

If we wait until the deadline, his contract becomes more of an asset. With a $7.3 mil trade value, but only $2 mil guaranteed in 2018, he could serve as a vehicle that could help help another team financially. For example, if we swap Cole for their guy, on a 2 for $15 deal, next season they could Cole, and pocket $5.5 mil in cap space, or savings to get themselves under the lux.

minimus · Post #1735 » by **minimus** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 3:10 am

shrink wrote:I also wanted to mention that we might not want to be so quick to trade Cole Aldrich right now, for a loss.

If we wait until the deadline, his contract becomes more of an asset. With a $7.3 mil trade value, but only $2 mil guaranteed in 2018, he could serve as a vehicle that could help help another team financially. For example, if we swap Cole for their guy, on a 2 for $15 deal, next season they could Cole, and pocket $5.5 mil in cap space, or savings to get themselves under the lux.

I kind feel the same, everybody is throwing big money on FA market, but we can wait a bit and "help" other team with Cole contract later, when everyone is tied with contracts.

CavemanDoctor · Post #1736 » by **CavemanDoctor** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:08 am

Boston fan coming in peace.

Would you all do

Minny gets: A. Bradley, J. Crowder, D. Jackson, 2019 second round pick (via Detroit)

Boston gets: G. Dieng, 2018 first round pick (via OKC lotto-protected)

You get guys perfect for Thibs's system in Avery and Jae. You lose Dieng who (I may be presumptuous here) isn't as necessary now with Taj Gibson.

What's the fanbase's sense of Dieng's value?

MN7725 · Post #1737 » by **MN7725** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:14 am

CavemanDoctor wrote:Boston fan coming in peace.

Would you all do

Minny gets: A. Bradley, J. Crowder, D. Jackson, 2019 second round pick (via Detroit)

Boston gets: G. Dieng, 2018 first round pick (via OKC lotto-protected)

You get guys perfect for Thibs's system in Avery and Jae. You lose Dieng who (I may be presumptuous here) isn't as necessary now with Taj Gibson.

What's the fanbase's sense of Dieng's value?

That is a no brainer, frankly I think Bos could do better

Would that even save Bos any $?

minimus · Post #1738 » by **minimus** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:18 am

CavemanDoctor wrote:Boston fan coming in peace.

Would you all do

Minny gets: A. Bradley, J. Crowder, D. Jackson, 2019 second round pick (via Detroit)

Boston gets: G. Dieng, 2018 first round pick (via OKC lotto-protected)

You get guys perfect for Thibs's system in Avery and Jae. You lose Dieng who (I may be presumptuous here) isn't as necessary now with Taj Gibson.

What's the fanbase's sense of Dieng's value?

I'd do it in a heartbeat. We have no depth on wings. Dieng is blue collar player, who does all little things for the team. I'm not sure if he can help you to stop real centers like Valanciunas, Drummond or Whiteside, because he is not that big, but he is a solid bigman can rebound, set good picks, hit midrange shots. He is not ideal perimeter defender either, but I guess you have Brown, tatum to play against small ball lineup.

CavemanDoctor · Post #1739 » by **CavemanDoctor** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:18 am

MN7725 wrote:
CavemanDoctor wrote:Boston fan coming in peace.

Would you all do

Minny gets: A. Bradley, J. Crowder, D. Jackson, 2019 second round pick (via Detroit)

Boston gets: G. Dieng, 2018 first round pick (via OKC lotto-protected)

You get guys perfect for Thibs's system in Avery and Jae. You lose Dieng who (I may be presumptuous here) isn't as necessary now with Taj Gibson.

What's the fanbase's sense of Dieng's value?

That is a no brainer, frankly I think Bos could do better

Would that even save Bos any $?

It'd save us close to 3 million. We need about 3.1 million in space to sign Hayward if I'm not mistaken. We may need to throw in Jordan Mickey as well.

What is the sense of Dieng's value with you guys?

Neeva · Post #1740 » by **Neeva** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:20 am

CavemanDoctor wrote:Boston fan coming in peace.

Would you all do

Minny gets: A. Bradley, J. Crowder, D. Jackson, 2019 second round pick (via Detroit)

Boston gets: G. Dieng, 2018 first round pick (via OKC lotto-protected)

You get guys perfect for Thibs's system in Avery and Jae. You lose Dieng who (I may be presumptuous here) isn't as necessary now with Taj Gibson.

What's the fanbase's sense of Dieng's value?

Thibs would say yes right away.
But aren't Bradley and Crowder just about making the same as Dieng put together?