Rubio Thread Seis (VI)

[Feilong]

Comparing to Curry's contract is completely wrong.
Curry is a max contract player, above max actually. He signed when he wasn't as good as today and there were serious concerns about his health (ankles).
Ricky is below max player, at the moment.
Ricky will be paid higher than he actually performs because a) he is the face of the franchise b) public magnet c) he makes teammates better.
So how much more will Taylor pay him, it depends. Let's just hope Ricky doesn't walk away because Taylor made one more wrong evaluation.

[lobishome]

I think Ricky is asking the max because he prefers talk about his contract next year. He knows perfectly the Wolves aren't going to give him it.

It's only a opinion

[YaleS]

I think Ricky is asking the max because he prefers talk about his contract next year. He knows perfectly the Wolves aren't going to give him it.

It's only a opinion

Yeah, but I dont see any other team is offering him near the max, so if he doesn`t wanna do "fair" deal earlier, we can just match. Who are we really betting againt in this scenario (I don`t want to prove my point, just to start discussion who are we betting againts):

Bos (Rondo (prob. re-signes), Smart) - doubt it, + we are better team, so doubt it
Nets (Deron, Jack) - nop
Knicks (Jose on 7 mil) - maybe
Phi - no way
Toronto - (Lowry) - no way
Chi - no way if Rose is healthy
Cle - no way
Det - Jennings is at least gonna play 2015/16 , so doubt it
Ind - maybe
MJ team - no way
Dallas - maybe
Denver (Ty)- nop
GSW - .... yeah, no
Hou - no cap
Clips - no
Lal - pretty sure they re-sign Lin, they need famous players
Mem - no
Maimi - maybe
Mil - don`t think they want to do that atm, so doubt it
Pelicans (Jrue) - maybe, dunno
OKC - no
Orl - no
Suns - def. no
Port- def. no
Sacr- yep
Spurs - no
Wash - def no
Utah - nah

So I got Knicks, Ind, Dallas, Miami, Sacr.
I can see Knicks giving huge offer
Ind - think Roy and West opting in, if they do so they stand at 70 mil. Offer from here depends on that i guess
Dallas - i see them offering much, but think they are way worse team
Miami - probably they`ll not have any space
Sacr - They have Gay to re-sign, maybe still can put decent offer.

[Takingbaconback]

Comparing to Curry's contract is completely wrong.
Curry is a max contract player, above max actually. He signed when he wasn't as good as today and there were serious concerns about his health (ankles).
Ricky is below max player, at the moment.
Ricky will be paid higher than he actually performs because a) he is the face of the franchise b) public magnet c) he makes teammates better.
So how much more will Taylor pay him, it depends. Let's just hope Ricky doesn't walk away because Taylor made one more wrong evaluation.

Curry signed that contract and regardless of whether he's worth more or not us irrelevant. Players use overpaid contracts all the time to gain leverage, it goes both ways. Rubio should be grateful flip got such great pieces around him and should reward the organization like curry did to ease the cap for better players.

Anyways Rubio is on notice. If he doesnt improve his shot and demands a max contract, flip may let him walk and draft a PG. Frees up the money we thought would prevent wolves from signing a very good PF like millsap especially if thad opt out too. Im sure flip wouldnt lose any sleep with mudiay(tyus)/lavine/wiggins/millsap/pek lineup.
Flip could also slide lavine to pg, wiggins to sg, and draft a SG/SF if a prospect jumps out at him.

[Feilong]

^
Every sentence you wrote is wrong.
I hope you simply didn't pay attention writing it so please edit your post before i answer it. I don't want to quote every sentence.

[lobishome]

Yep, Lavine is a PG .... as Shved.

Yeah, but I dont see any other team is offering him near the max, so if he doesn`t wanna do "fair" deal earlier, we can just match. Who are we really betting againt in this scenario (I don`t want to prove my point, just to start discussion who are we betting againts):

Bos (Rondo (prob. re-signes), Smart) - doubt it, + we are better team, so doubt it
Nets (Deron, Jack) - nop
Knicks (Jose on 7 mil) - maybe
Phi - no way
Toronto - (Lowry) - no way
Chi - no way if Rose is healthy
Cle - no way
Det - Jennings is at least gonna play 2015/16 , so doubt it
Ind - maybe
MJ team - no way
Dallas - maybe
Denver (Ty)- nop
GSW - .... yeah, no
Hou - no cap
Clips - no
Lal - pretty sure they re-sign Lin, they need famous players
Mem - no
Maimi - maybe
Mil - don`t think they want to do that atm, so doubt it
Pelicans (Jrue) - maybe, dunno
OKC - no
Orl - no
Suns - def. no
Port- def. no
Sacr- yep
Spurs - no
Wash - def no
Utah - nah

So I got Knicks, Ind, Dallas, Miami, Sacr.
I can see Knicks giving huge offer
Ind - think Roy and West opting in, if they do so they stand at 70 mil. Offer from here depends on that i guess
Dallas - i see them offering much, but think they are way worse team
Miami - probably they`ll not have any space
Sacr - They have Gay to re-sign, maybe still can put decent offer.

I'm so disagreed with you that I don't know where to begin.

[NewWolvesOrder]

Comparing to Curry's contract is completely wrong.
Curry is a max contract player, above max actually. He signed when he wasn't as good as today and there were serious concerns about his health (ankles).
Ricky is below max player, at the moment.
Ricky will be paid higher than he actually performs because a) he is the face of the franchise b) public magnet c) he makes teammates better.
So how much more will Taylor pay him, it depends. Let's just hope Ricky doesn't walk away because Taylor made one more wrong evaluation.

Curry signed that contract and regardless of whether he's worth more or not us irrelevant. Players use overpaid contracts all the time to gain leverage, it goes both ways. Rubio should be grateful flip got such great pieces around him and should reward the organization like curry did to ease the cap for better players.

Anyways Rubio is on notice. If he doesnt improve his shot and demands a max contract, flip may let him walk and draft a PG. Frees up the money we thought would prevent wolves from signing a very good PF like millsap especially if thad opt out too. Im sure flip wouldnt lose any sleep with mudiay(tyus)/lavine/wiggins/millsap/pek lineup.
Flip could also slide lavine to pg, wiggins to sg, and draft a SG/SF if a prospect jumps out at him.

I think you're are losing the argument here.

[Merc_Porto]

I think Ricky is asking the max because he prefers talk about his contract next year. He knows perfectly the Wolves aren't going to give him it.

It's only a opinion

Yeah, but I dont see any other team is offering him near the max, so if he doesn`t wanna do "fair" deal earlier, we can just match. Who are we really betting againt in this scenario (I don`t want to prove my point, just to start discussion who are we betting againts):

Bos (Rondo (prob. re-signes), Smart) - doubt it, + we are better team, so doubt it
Nets (Deron, Jack) - nop
Knicks (Jose on 7 mil) - maybe
Phi - no way
Toronto - (Lowry) - no way
Chi - no way if Rose is healthy
Cle - no way
Det - Jennings is at least gonna play 2015/16 , so doubt it
Ind - maybe
MJ team - no way
Dallas - maybe
Denver (Ty)- nop
GSW - .... yeah, no
Hou - no cap
Clips - no
Lal - pretty sure they re-sign Lin, they need famous players
Mem - no
Maimi - maybe
Mil - don`t think they want to do that atm, so doubt it
Pelicans (Jrue) - maybe, dunno
OKC - no
Orl - no
Suns - def. no
Port- def. no
Sacr- yep
Spurs - no
Wash - def no
Utah - nah

So I got Knicks, Ind, Dallas, Miami, Sacr.
I can see Knicks giving huge offer
Ind - think Roy and West opting in, if they do so they stand at 70 mil. Offer from here depends on that i guess
Dallas - i see them offering much, but think they are way worse team
Miami - probably they`ll not have any space
Sacr - They have Gay to re-sign, maybe still can put decent offer.

This list is so wrong on so many levels. Wow

[lobishome]

(...)Flip could also slide lavine to pg, wiggins to sg, and draft a SG/SF if a prospect jumps out at him.

OMG , this is worse than the Shved discussion : he still isn't proved if he is a good SG and we already want to put him at the PG ... even we must move one or two first picks to another position. Yep, we are the timbertrolls

[YaleS]

I think Ricky is asking the max because he prefers talk about his contract next year. He knows perfectly the Wolves aren't going to give him it.

It's only a opinion

Yeah, but I dont see any other team is offering him near the max, so if he doesn`t wanna do "fair" deal earlier, we can just match. Who are we really betting againt in this scenario (I don`t want to prove my point, just to start discussion who are we betting againts):

Bos (Rondo (prob. re-signes), Smart) - doubt it, + we are better team, so doubt it
Nets (Deron, Jack) - nop
Knicks (Jose on 7 mil) - maybe
Phi - no way
Toronto - (Lowry) - no way
Chi - no way if Rose is healthy
Cle - no way
Det - Jennings is at least gonna play 2015/16 , so doubt it
Ind - maybe
MJ team - no way
Dallas - maybe
Denver (Ty)- nop
GSW - .... yeah, no
Hou - no cap
Clips - no
Lal - pretty sure they re-sign Lin, they need famous players
Mem - no
Maimi - maybe
Mil - don`t think they want to do that atm, so doubt it
Pelicans (Jrue) - maybe, dunno
OKC - no
Orl - no
Suns - def. no
Port- def. no
Sacr- yep
Spurs - no
Wash - def no
Utah - nah

So I got Knicks, Ind, Dallas, Miami, Sacr.
I can see Knicks giving huge offer
Ind - think Roy and West opting in, if they do so they stand at 70 mil. Offer from here depends on that i guess
Dallas - i see them offering much, but think they are way worse team
Miami - probably they`ll not have any space
Sacr - They have Gay to re-sign, maybe still can put decent offer.

This list is so wrong on so many levels. Wow

Care to explain or just ? And who you think is gonna offer rubio max?

[urinesane]

Comparing to Curry's contract is completely wrong.
Curry is a max contract player, above max actually. He signed when he wasn't as good as today and there were serious concerns about his health (ankles).
Ricky is below max player, at the moment.
Ricky will be paid higher than he actually performs because a) he is the face of the franchise b) public magnet c) he makes teammates better.
So how much more will Taylor pay him, it depends. Let's just hope Ricky doesn't walk away because Taylor made one more wrong evaluation.

What kind of PPG and FG% would justify a max contract with Rubio (based on production)?

[Feilong]

What kind of PPG and FG% would justify a max contract with Rubio (based on production)?

Tough question because you have to count in the other factors. Face of franchise, making teammates better, public magnet etc.
If he was a 14ppg/9ast, 44%FG , 38%3P i would easily give him the max. So for me he is not far of.

Btw what do you think about this guy? Looks good?
[instagram]http://instagram.com/p/sSl3mSyBIb/[/instagram]

[wildvikeswolves]

What kind of PPG and FG% would justify a max contract with Rubio (based on production)?

Tough question because you have to count in the other factors. Face of franchise, making teammates better, public magnet etc.
If he was a 14ppg/9ast, 44%FG , 38%3P i would easily give him the max. So for me he is not far of.

Btw what do you think about this guy? Looks good?
[instagram]http://instagram.com/p/sSl3mSyBIb/[/instagram]

Bazzy the beast! I wonder how much hes lost since the summer league

[Saltine]

Ricky Rubio’s Top 10 plays of 2013-14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGs33p23PaQ

[mandurugo]

Ricky Rubio’s Top 10 plays of 2013-14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGs33p23PaQ

Awesome. I don't understand fans of the NBA who aren't fans of Rubio.

[Basti]

What exactly are the rules when it comes to the deadline to sign an extension coming off a rookie deal? Wasn't it sometime in January/February before the rookie contract expires? That's about the time Love signed his deal, right?

Assuming that's the deadline for Ricky, I think it's enough time to see if he will be capable of assuming his new role. If he can show enough improvement, he should be getting around 11 to 12 million annually. If he still won't show enough improvement I hope it'll be below 10 million annually.

[Basti]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ywi6wDjJjo[/youtube]
Rubioop
At least we can expect that.
Rubio shot 3/3 on long two,but I can't find highlight.

I can see Ricky and Gorgui doing that every now and then. Not that Gorgui is as mobile and agile as Serge but I think he can still pull that off.

[Klomp]

What exactly are the rules when it comes to the deadline to sign an extension coming off a rookie deal? Wasn't it sometime in January/February before the rookie contract expires? That's about the time Love signed his deal, right?

I wish

From the day following the July moratorium to the October 31 preceding the player's last option season

Meaning, we'll be able to see him in two regular season games.

Kevin Love's situation was an outlier because it was the lockout-shortened season.

For 2011-12 the window is open from December 9, 2011 to January 25, 2012

[octt]

What exactly are the rules when it comes to the deadline to sign an extension coming off a rookie deal? Wasn't it sometime in January/February before the rookie contract expires? That's about the time Love signed his deal, right?

Assuming that's the deadline for Ricky, I think it's enough time to see if he will be capable of assuming his new role. If he can show enough improvement, he should be getting around 11 to 12 million annually. If he still won't show enough improvement I hope it'll be below 10 million annually.

The deadline is 10/31.Love singed extention in Jan because of lockout
According to Wolfson's interview,wolf's FO is willing to offerr Rubio like 4y/44M contract.But Rubio's agent "balked" this idea.

[Basti]

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for the information.

What a bummer, though.