Fun facts and unreal stats

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Of course Sir Charles must believe that Finch is a horrible coach because all he talks about is us playing as dumb as a box of rocks.

I like Charles bold opinions, but either way, he is not the sharpest tax in the box. I still like him most of them time

That show is the ultimate "old man yells at cloud" meme. They are a good source for basketball-related entertainment, but shouldn't really be the source to learn more about the game.

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So I was having a conversation with my brother about Big Ball vs Small Ball in the modern era. All of the sudden it hit me, this season is like the movie Moneyball. What they did for analytics we are trying to do with size and the use of the front court. The stakes are not quite as dire, but watch this scene and tell me you don’t see it.

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So I was having a conversation with my brother about Big Ball vs Small Ball in the modern era. All of the sudden it hit me, this season is like the movie Moneyball. What they did for analytics we are trying to do with size and the use of the front court. The stakes are not quite as dire, but watch this scene and tell me you don’t see it.

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Other things being equal tall will dominate short in basketball. It's just an advantage being taller. The taller you get the less people there are so there's a larger talent pool to choose from of less tall people. When tall and talent converge you get superstar players. Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Shaq, Wilt, KG, and Kobe are very tall people. Despite the massively larger pool to choose from there's a reason that there are very few 6 foot and shorter people among the greatest players of all time. Height is an incredible advantage in basketball.

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So I was having a conversation with my brother about Big Ball vs Small Ball in the modern era. All of the sudden it hit me, this season is like the movie Moneyball. What they did for analytics we are trying to do with size and the use of the front court. The stakes are not quite as dire, but watch this scene and tell me you don’t see it.

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Other things being equal tall will dominate short in basketball. It's just an advantage being taller. The taller you get the less people there are so there's a larger talent pool to choose from of less tall people. When tall and talent converge you get superstar players. Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Shaq, Wilt, KG, and Kobe are very tall people. Despite the massively larger pool to choose from there's a reason that there are very few 6 foot and shorter people among the greatest players of all time. Height is an incredible advantage in basketball.

True, but not what we are talking about. Big ball using two or more legit bigs instead of stretch bigs or small ball. The league has been moving away from big ball, and away from more traditional PFs. This shift has created a situation like in Moneyball where the sport and its talking heads are pushing back. We need to win the big one “the last game of the series” to prove the concept beyond doubt. If we do other teams will follow it and we will have changed the game. Thus Moneyball.

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So I was having a conversation with my brother about Big Ball vs Small Ball in the modern era. All of the sudden it hit me, this season is like the movie Moneyball. What they did for analytics we are trying to do with size and the use of the front court. The stakes are not quite as dire, but watch this scene and tell me you don’t see it.

Watch on YouTube

Other things being equal tall will dominate short in basketball. It's just an advantage being taller. The taller you get the less people there are so there's a larger talent pool to choose from of less tall people. When tall and talent converge you get superstar players. Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Shaq, Wilt, KG, and Kobe are very tall people. Despite the massively larger pool to choose from there's a reason that there are very few 6 foot and shorter people among the greatest players of all time. Height is an incredible advantage in basketball.

True, but not what we are talking about. Big ball using two or more legit bigs instead of stretch bigs or small ball. The league has been moving away from big ball, and away from more traditional PFs. This shift has created a situation like in Moneyball where the sport and its talking heads are pushing back. We need to win the big one “the last game of the series” to prove the concept beyond doubt. If we do other teams will follow it and we will have changed the game. Thus Moneyball.

If the teams using bigger players have just as talented players as the teams using smaller players the teams using bigger players will win.

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A few small, under radar things about our current roster, that might turn into big things:

Our ability take away space in defense:

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KA as connector both in defense and offense:

Back in 2019-20:

Of any non-guard that had a usage rate lower than 20%, Anderson was 4th in assist percentage and 3rd in assist per game, per Stathead. The only players in front of him? Draymond Green, Joe Ingles, and Mason Plumlee (don’t laugh, he’s actually a sneaky playmaking big). That’s elite company.

I am sure that this is some kind of statical marvel, but Kyle Anderson is in all four MEM lineups with best defensive rating last season, including most used Adams-Anderson-Melton-Morant-Williams with DRtg 91(!!!)

https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612763&sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1&CF=GP*G*10

It is also worth to note that KA had problems with. shoulder which bothered him at the beginning in MEM, this was resulted in strange shooting mechanics with hitch. Now it looks like he is healthy, so it might be that Kyle will naturally progress as shooter.

Collective passing potential of 2nd unit:

Based on ATS:TO ratio we have JMac in top3, Nowell in top8, KA in top52.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player-stat/assist-to-turnover-ratio?rate=per-minute

Also every scouting report about Moore says that he is an excellent secondary facilitator, proven playmaker who played with Paolo Banchero and Mark Williams.

AJ Lawson dynamic shooting
Beasley left a big void in terms of catch and shoot 3pt shots. He is for sure an elite 3pt shooter. However, Malik is very limited both in defense and offense: 6'4 (in shoes) 185 lbs, with a 6'6" wingspan. Lawson is 6’6" guard, with a 6’10" which in theory might help to unlock his potential as scorer.

Transition offense
I wonder how Gobert can help our transition offense. His combination of size and mobility is difficult to match, that is why his rim gravity would allow our perimeter players to get more open above the break and corner 3pts shots in semi fast breaks. Which in theory is a very dangerous weapon: get defensive stop, run in transittion, take and make an open 3pt shot. I am also very high JMac capability as floor general in fast breaks, because he can both run in transition AND takes care of the ball.

Moore as PoA in certain matchups
Moore will struggle as PoA against quick ball handlers, however I can see him as good PoA against big guards. His combination of wingspan, strong body and high IQ is a good foundation. He has very similar body to Royce O'Neal. However, Moore might have higher potential as shooter and passer. Where Okogie could not crack rotation because of lack of offensive skills, Moore might get opportunity.

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Copied from a Canis user whose username is Frank N Hoops

“ Ran across this at hoopshype: https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-real-value-overpaid-underpaid/
Here's the T'wolves:
Ranking Name Real Value Salary
12 Karl-Anthony Towns $46,039,611 $33,833,400
30 Anthony Edwards $31,276,503 $10,733,400
33 Rudy Gobert $31,097,510 $38,172,414
54 D'Angelo Russell $25,437,294 $31,377,750
175 Kyle Anderson $8,478,088 $8,780,488
176 Jaden McDaniels $8,439,486 $2,161,440
188 Jaylen Nowell $8,038,947 $1,930,681
207 Naz Reid $7,075,760 $1,930,681
238 Taurean Prince $5,937,968 $7,295,000
250 Eric Paschall $5,596,073 $508,891
270 Jordan McLaughlin $4,780,190 $2,160,000
302 Bryn Forbes $3,555,479 $2,298,385
304 Austin Rivers $3,421,686 $2,905,851
311 CJ Elleby $3,222,163 $1,836,090
381 Nathan Knight $1,836,090 $1,836,090
453 Wendell Moore $0 $2,306,520
475 Josh Minott $0 $1,017,781
487 AJ Lawson $0 $508,891”

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Copied from a Canis user whose username is Frank N Hoops

“ Ran across this at hoopshype: https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-real-value-overpaid-underpaid/
Here's the T'wolves:
Ranking Name Real Value Salary
12 Karl-Anthony Towns $46,039,611 $33,833,400
30 Anthony Edwards $31,276,503 $10,733,400
33 Rudy Gobert $31,097,510 $38,172,414
54 D'Angelo Russell $25,437,294 $31,377,750
175 Kyle Anderson $8,478,088 $8,780,488
176 Jaden McDaniels $8,439,486 $2,161,440
188 Jaylen Nowell $8,038,947 $1,930,681
207 Naz Reid $7,075,760 $1,930,681
238 Taurean Prince $5,937,968 $7,295,000
250 Eric Paschall $5,596,073 $508,891
270 Jordan McLaughlin $4,780,190 $2,160,000
302 Bryn Forbes $3,555,479 $2,298,385
304 Austin Rivers $3,421,686 $2,905,851
311 CJ Elleby $3,222,163 $1,836,090
381 Nathan Knight $1,836,090 $1,836,090
453 Wendell Moore $0 $2,306,520
475 Josh Minott $0 $1,017,781
487 AJ Lawson $0 $508,891”

If I understand correctly the first number is how much the player is deemed worthy of while the second number is what the player is actually getting. So Moore, Minott and Lawson aren't worthy of anything, Gobert, Russell and Prince are overpaid and everybody else is a bargain. Correct?

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Not to be disrespectful to the creator, but that methodology for determining "Real Value" is... pretty interesting, to put it kindly.

Fun to look at if you go in recognizing that it is a bit questionable, though!

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Copied from a Canis user whose username is Frank N Hoops

“ Ran across this at hoopshype: https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-real-value-overpaid-underpaid/
Here's the T'wolves:
Ranking Name Real Value Salary
12 Karl-Anthony Towns $46,039,611 $33,833,400
30 Anthony Edwards $31,276,503 $10,733,400
33 Rudy Gobert $31,097,510 $38,172,414
54 D'Angelo Russell $25,437,294 $31,377,750
175 Kyle Anderson $8,478,088 $8,780,488
176 Jaden McDaniels $8,439,486 $2,161,440
188 Jaylen Nowell $8,038,947 $1,930,681
207 Naz Reid $7,075,760 $1,930,681
238 Taurean Prince $5,937,968 $7,295,000
250 Eric Paschall $5,596,073 $508,891
270 Jordan McLaughlin $4,780,190 $2,160,000
302 Bryn Forbes $3,555,479 $2,298,385
304 Austin Rivers $3,421,686 $2,905,851
311 CJ Elleby $3,222,163 $1,836,090
381 Nathan Knight $1,836,090 $1,836,090
453 Wendell Moore $0 $2,306,520
475 Josh Minott $0 $1,017,781
487 AJ Lawson $0 $508,891”

If I understand correctly the first number is how much the player is deemed worthy of while the second number is what the player is actually getting. So Moore, Minott and Lawson aren't worthy of anything, Gobert, Russell and Prince are overpaid and everybody else is a bargain. Correct?

You are reading correctly. No rookies have any number in the actual value column. Not even the top picks. I think it is there way of saying they don’t have enough information. Likewise Lawson probably hasn’t played enough NBA minutes for them to do a valuation. As for the actual values given to the others, you are correct. But the saving on KAT and Ant are so massive they dwarf the rest. Plus Prince is only a couple mil over and that isn’t far off. We paid more for a larger expiring next year. Sometimes overpaying slightly is preferable to hitting the mark exactly.

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Not to be disrespectful to the creator, but that methodology for determining "Real Value" is... pretty interesting, to put it kindly.

Fun to look at if you go in recognizing that it is a bit questionable, though!

Of course. No one is saying we must swear by it. It is just a cool way to gain someone’s else perspective on our players.

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Copied from a Canis user whose username is Frank N Hoops

“ Ran across this at hoopshype: https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-real-value-overpaid-underpaid/
Here's the T'wolves:
Ranking Name Real Value Salary
12 Karl-Anthony Towns $46,039,611 $33,833,400
30 Anthony Edwards $31,276,503 $10,733,400
33 Rudy Gobert $31,097,510 $38,172,414
54 D'Angelo Russell $25,437,294 $31,377,750
175 Kyle Anderson $8,478,088 $8,780,488
176 Jaden McDaniels $8,439,486 $2,161,440
188 Jaylen Nowell $8,038,947 $1,930,681
207 Naz Reid $7,075,760 $1,930,681
238 Taurean Prince $5,937,968 $7,295,000
250 Eric Paschall $5,596,073 $508,891
270 Jordan McLaughlin $4,780,190 $2,160,000
302 Bryn Forbes $3,555,479 $2,298,385
304 Austin Rivers $3,421,686 $2,905,851
311 CJ Elleby $3,222,163 $1,836,090
381 Nathan Knight $1,836,090 $1,836,090
453 Wendell Moore $0 $2,306,520
475 Josh Minott $0 $1,017,781
487 AJ Lawson $0 $508,891”

If I understand correctly the first number is how much the player is deemed worthy of while the second number is what the player is actually getting. So Moore, Minott and Lawson aren't worthy of anything, Gobert, Russell and Prince are overpaid and everybody else is a bargain. Correct?

You are reading correctly. No rookies have any number in the actual value column. Not even the top picks. I think it is there way of saying they don’t have enough information. Likewise Lawson probably hasn’t played enough NBA minutes for them to do a valuation. As for the actual values given to the others, you are correct. But the saving on KAT and Ant are so massive they dwarf the rest. Plus Prince is only a couple mil over and that isn’t far off. We paid more for a larger expiring next year. Sometimes overpaying slightly is preferable to hitting the mark exactly.

Towns IMO isn't worth 1 penny more than Gobert and Gobert is likely worth 5-10 million more than Towns.

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I hope Finch will continue to implement a non "heliocentric offense"

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I hope Finch will continue to implement a non "heliocentric offense"

Yep we don't want an offense with the sun at the center. If the players get too close they will burn up.

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I know I have annoyed everyone with my Ingles obsession, but here one more stat that says Ingles is an elite passer for a role player: quick decision maker. I hope Anderson will fill this need for us and Towns will learn in time how to make good quick decision with the ball

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Fun fact: The guy Victor Wembanyama was talking about is named Stevee Ho You Fat. Imagine calling a game and having to say that multiple times.

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Fun fact: The guy Victor Wembanyama was talking about is named Stevee Ho You Fat. Imagine calling a game and having to say that multiple times.

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Incidentally, I thought Ho You Fat would vault to #1 on my personal “All Time Greatest Names Ever” list, and it did not.

I thought of personal favorites like Mookie Blaylock, Fat Lever, God Shamgod, but I knew there had to be more so I looked into it. My 8 year old sense of humor only got Ho You Fat to #2, behind … Chubby Cox!

BTW, there is one possible name that could surpass them both. If Elena Delle Donne married Matthew Dellavedova, she’d be Elena Delle Donne Dellavedova, which would be #1 for me!

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Best sports name ever IMO is Harry Colon. How can you have that last name and name your son Harry? Probably Harold. I'd never heard of Chubby Cox so he's probably an unknown player except for the name.

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Best sports name ever IMO is Harry Colon. How can you have that last name and name your son Harry? Probably Harold.

I had a substitute science teacher whose name was Harry Balls. His wife was also a substitute who taught English. A popular joke around the middle school was envisioning their wedding when the officiant declares to the crowd, “ladies and gentlemen, Mr. and Mrs, Harry Balls.” If only he had gone into professional sports instead of teaching .