Trade Talk (Part 14): 2023-24 Edition

[wolves_89]

I think Morris was the Wolve's "big" move of the trade deadline, but I do wonder if there's still a Bones Hyland move where Wendell Moore goes to a third team.

[Klomp]

I think Morris was the Wolve's "big" move of the trade deadline, but I do wonder if there's still a Bones Hyland move where Wendell Moore goes to a third team.

The more I think about it though, we could also hold off on this until the offseason. Why? It gives more incentive for the Clippers, because of the luxury tax. Swapping them now doesn't do much for them on the court or on the cap sheet. Cutting $2 million in salary when they are so far over the tax they could really find appealing.

[wolves_89]

I think Morris was the Wolve's "big" move of the trade deadline, but I do wonder if there's still a Bones Hyland move where Wendell Moore goes to a third team.

The more I think about it though, we could also hold off on this until the offseason. Why? It gives more incentive for the Clippers, because of the luxury tax. Swapping them now doesn't do much for them on the court or on the cap sheet. Cutting $2 million in salary when they are so far over the tax they could really find appealing.

My thought was that Moore gets sent to a third team who has a trade exception, and we use our DLO trade exception to take back Hyland. I saw somewhere that getting off of Bones without taking back salary would save the Clippers over $10M this season.

[Neeva]

I love this move by Connelly. Now lets send Anderson, Moore and maybe the Memphis 2rp for something that CAN be useful this post season.

[winforlose]

I think Morris was the Wolve's "big" move of the trade deadline, but I do wonder if there's still a Bones Hyland move where Wendell Moore goes to a third team.

The more I think about it though, we could also hold off on this until the offseason. Why? It gives more incentive for the Clippers, because of the luxury tax. Swapping them now doesn't do much for them on the court or on the cap sheet. Cutting $2 million in salary when they are so far over the tax they could really find appealing.

My thought was that Moore gets sent to a third team who has a trade exception, and we use our DLO trade exception to take back Hyland. I saw somewhere that getting off of Bones without taking back salary would save the Clippers over $10M this season.

Question about the rules. Are we allowed to drop to 12 contracts on the active roster for any length of time? For example, right now we have 13 following the 2 for 1. If we trade WMJ to anyone for space, now we have 12. Is this NBA legal, or do we need to sign/convert someone before we dump WMJ?

[wolves_89]

The more I think about it though, we could also hold off on this until the offseason. Why? It gives more incentive for the Clippers, because of the luxury tax. Swapping them now doesn't do much for them on the court or on the cap sheet. Cutting $2 million in salary when they are so far over the tax they could really find appealing.

My thought was that Moore gets sent to a third team who has a trade exception, and we use our DLO trade exception to take back Hyland. I saw somewhere that getting off of Bones without taking back salary would save the Clippers over $10M this season.

Question about the rules. Are we allowed to drop to 12 contracts on the active roster for any length of time? For example, right now we have 13 following the 2 for 1. If we trade WMJ to anyone for space, now we have 12. Is this NBA legal, or do we need to sign/convert someone before we dump WMJ?

I believe a team can have 13 players on the roster for two weeks before having to go back up to the regular season minimum of 14. I don't think teams are allowed to drop below 13 during the season.

[winforlose]

My thought was that Moore gets sent to a third team who has a trade exception, and we use our DLO trade exception to take back Hyland. I saw somewhere that getting off of Bones without taking back salary would save the Clippers over $10M this season.

Question about the rules. Are we allowed to drop to 12 contracts on the active roster for any length of time? For example, right now we have 13 following the 2 for 1. If we trade WMJ to anyone for space, now we have 12. Is this NBA legal, or do we need to sign/convert someone before we dump WMJ?

I believe a team can have 13 players on the roster for two weeks before having to go back up to the regular season minimum of 14. I don't think teams are allowed to drop below 13 during the season.

Yeah, that’s what I thought. But some of these 3 for 1 trades would have done that. So I wasn’t sure.

[wolves_89]

Question about the rules. Are we allowed to drop to 12 contracts on the active roster for any length of time? For example, right now we have 13 following the 2 for 1. If we trade WMJ to anyone for space, now we have 12. Is this NBA legal, or do we need to sign/convert someone before we dump WMJ?

I believe a team can have 13 players on the roster for two weeks before having to go back up to the regular season minimum of 14. I don't think teams are allowed to drop below 13 during the season.

Yeah, that’s what I thought. But some of these 3 for 1 trades would have done that. So I wasn’t sure.

My guess is if a team goes below 13 in a trade they are required to sign guys to get back up to 13. I'm not sure if the signings can be 10-day contracts or if they have to be minimum regular contracts.

[winforlose]

I believe a team can have 13 players on the roster for two weeks before having to go back up to the regular season minimum of 14. I don't think teams are allowed to drop below 13 during the season.

Yeah, that’s what I thought. But some of these 3 for 1 trades would have done that. So I wasn’t sure.

My guess is if a team goes below 13 in a trade they are required to sign guys to get back up to 13. I'm not sure if the signings can be 10-day contracts or if they have to be minimum regular contracts.

The timing really would matter. Either for the Bones Highland idea above or just for trying to dump WMJ and make room for 2 buyout/waived players.

[jpatrick]

I don’t see us trading for Bones. Ballmer is worth 120 billion. I don’t think he’s worried about the luxury tax in the least, and we are one of their main rivals in the West. If there is any chance Bones would help us, why would they move him here?

[Klomp]

I don’t see us trading for Bones. Ballmer is worth 120 billion. I don’t think he’s worried about the luxury tax in the least, and we are one of their main rivals in the West. If there is any chance Bones would help us, why would they move him here?

This just isn't true. They've made trades in part due to the luxury tax in each of the last three years.

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[TimberKat]

I don’t see us trading for Bones. Ballmer is worth 120 billion. I don’t think he’s worried about the luxury tax in the least, and we are one of their main rivals in the West. If there is any chance Bones would help us, why would they move him here?

This just isn't true. They've made trades in part due to the luxury tax in each of the last three years.

I am sure they do but just not Hyland to Twolves. They would prefer to give it away to DET than get a 2nd round pick from Wolves.

[TimberKat]

Looks like Hayward will get buyout (according to some NBA insider)
Bojan Bogdanovic likely on the move (based on before game injury) but can't see him fit with Twolves salary especially after the Morris move

[TimberKat]

It's about time, Clippers finally lose a game.

[minimus]

Please TC, trade KA, Moore and SRP for Royce O'Neal!


Gobert/Reid/Towns
Towns/McDaniels/Reid
McDaniels/O'Neal/???
Edwards/NAW/???
Conley/Morris/McLaughlin + Nix

[winforlose]

Please TC, trade KA, Moore and SRP for Royce O'Neal!


Gobert/Reid/Towns
Towns/McDaniels/Reid
McDaniels/O'Neal/???
Edwards/NAW/???
Conley/Morris/McLaughlin + Nix

I just did that math and was coming here to tell you guys the numbers. The cost of two buyout players plus O’Neale in the exact trade you mentioned is $1,532,190.76. Now according to Dane Moore we are $1,561,662 under the tax. This of course means if Mike plays 60% of our games in the playoffs and we make the finals we pay 750K and go into the tax. Another 750K if we win the whole thing is irrelevant at that point. Honestly, I think if we make the finals they might say it was worth being in the tax.

Edit to add: We could trade JMAC to save 889k and change and sign some other waived or bought out player. I could see us doing this to dodge JMAC’s 100K of incentives, but the downside is we lose his bird rights. Maybe we bring him back next offseason as a free agent if no one wants him. But he is a reasonable 3rd string PG with chemistry both on the court and in the locker room. If we keep him and he gets either incentive we go over the tax.

P.S edit to add: The one thing I should mention is that contract costs are pro rated by the day. As of tomorrow there are 14 days in April, 31 days in March, and including tomorrow 22 days. My numbers are based on signing players on Friday the 9th. For every day we wait beyond that we lower the amount we pay of the pro rated minimum. For example counting from Friday there are 66 days left. You divide 66 by 174 (174 is the total days in the season,) and you get .37931034%. But if you sign them on Saturday now it is 65/174 = 3735%. $2,019,076 X .3735 = $754,360.191. This is compared to $766,095.35 from signing on Friday. That is a savings of around $11,735 x 2 (one for each buyout player,) which equals approximately $23,470 for every day we wait. So if we wait till Sunday or Monday to bring them on board (depending on how long the buyouts take, the negotiation process, ect…,) we could save enough to keep JMAC if he gets one bonus.

[BlacJacMac]

I don’t see us trading for Bones. Ballmer is worth 120 billion. I don’t think he’s worried about the luxury tax in the least, and we are one of their main rivals in the West. If there is any chance Bones would help us, why would they move him here?

This just isn't true. They've made trades in part due to the luxury tax in each of the last three years.

I am sure they do but just not Hyland to Twolves. They would prefer to give it away to DET than get a 2nd round pick from Wolves.

Depends. They clearly seem to think he’s a negative player. Maybe trading him to us is sabotage?

[minimus]

Looks like Hayward will get buyout (according to some NBA insider)

He wants to keep Birds rights, means no buyout

[minimus]

Now with Morris at PG, would you still keep Anderson?

[minimus]

I have tried to find a trade for Anderson that complies with multiple parameters such as:

- Anderson should fit in team plan for this season, i.e. help them winning
- trade Anderson should NOT add salaries to receiving team if they already want to duck under tax line (e.g. MEM)
- get a wing in return on expiring contract, no multiyear contracts in return

And... I failed to find any trade that makes sense for both sides. The only resemblance of trade are:
Anderson, Moore for Reggie Bullock.

If we want a trade for future Anderson, Moore, 2nd round pick for Gradey Dick, G.Temple

To sum up: I can make two assumptions here:
- I dont see us trading Anderson, because he is such a unique player AND our financial situation is so bad AND going to be worse in six months
- I cant even imagine how Gupta and TC will maneuver next season