Beasley or Mayo?

horaceworthy · Post #41 » by **horaceworthy** » Sat Jun 7, 2008 12:01 am

Most Miami posters I've seen have Beasley rated at #2, I haven't seen this huge Mayo uprising that you're claiming there is. If there's talk of Mayo, there's talk of trading down for him and picking up something else in the process, and my guess is that wouldn't even be there had Chad Ford not reported Riley making goo-goo eyes at Mayo, or Mayo weren't at A.T.T.A.C.K. with Wade. If those aren't the reasons, then they're more than likely placing too much emphasis on interviews given by Mayo and his trainers, as I mentioned in my previous post.

Deeney, I have no issue with characterizing them as different. What I have an issue with is portraying one of them as a wholly dedicated player and sweeping his issues under the rug while painting Beasley as a player without a position and comparing his issues to those of Isaiah Rider and Randy Moss.

younggunsmn · Post #42 » by **younggunsmn** » Sat Jun 7, 2008 12:06 am

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Mayo has legitimate point guard skills but he also averaged more turnovers than assists last season. I don't buy him as a point guard at this point.

Isn't Randy Moss a bad example here? Sure he dropped in the draft because of character issues, but he ended up as the 2nd best player in his class and everyone outside of the Colts who passed up on him regretted it.

Look at the context Mayo played in. Mayo was NOT the PG most of the time for USC, he was primarily asked to score.
He DID however have the responsibility of taking the shot when the offense stagnated or the shot clock went down.

Look at the players he had to distribute to, consider his role, and ask yourself why so many turnovers and so few assists, especially when he was asked to score on isolation plays so often. His turnovers dropped as the year went on. If you look at his production you can begin to see a learning curve develop as he became a better team player.

People really questioned whether Deron Williams could play NBA point too.
Funny, that's who Mayo compares himself to. Maybe he's trying to send a message to the doubters.

I think many of us are still hung up on a "flip" style PG who runs pick and roll after pick and roll. We've gone away from that, we're more of a "throw it into Al and spot up" kind of team right now. Our best player doesn't excel at the pick and roll like KG did.

The late 90's Lakers, 90's Bulls, and 80's Celtics dynasties didn't revolve around PG's they revolved around Guys who can create their own offense and/or Dominant Post Players. If Mayo works out, we could have one of each.

The Moss/Rider Comparisons are a little overblown, because those players had much bigger college baggage and documented drug problems, which were chief to their problems.

I don't want to try to drag Beasley through the mud on "phantom" character concerns any more than I want people doing it to Mayo.
I just think what Mayo can bring to the table may be a better "fit" (IE more conducive to winning) than Beasley.

Miami trading down and taking Lopez or Bayless is such a joke. Their fans would run Riley straight out of town if that happened. They'd have to get something like a future unprotected 1st just to make it close to getting value back, which won't happen.
My stance has always been they're set on Beasley. Look at their big men:Blount, Haslem, Marion. None of them can score outside the paint.
They'd become a terribly unbalanced team if they drafted Mayo, and Riley wants to win now. My prediction: They draft Beasley and sign Michael Pietrus with their MLE.

andyhop · Post #43 » by **andyhop** » Sat Jun 7, 2008 1:15 am

Vindicater wrote:
If Beasely did not have defensive issues he would be EVERYONES No 1. pick in the Draft,

Fixed

He would also have won all of the player of the year awards instead of Hansbrough, who pretty much swept them, if that part of his game wasn't so undeveloped.

I would still pick him over Mayo but if he doesn't learn that there are 2 sides to a basketball game he is going to be a player who puts up good numbers ,gets to the playoffs and then loses early rather than someone who will lead his team to a title.

Post #44 » by **TheFranchise21** » Sat Jun 7, 2008 1:58 am

horaceworthy wrote:It's a bit of a double standard to use character and tweener issues to knock Beasley down and lift Mayo up, and it mostly seems like that's happening only because Mayo and his trainers have said all the right things to the media so far.

Reread my post. You're missing my point.

younggunsmn · Post #45 » by **younggunsmn** » Sat Jun 7, 2008 7:41 am

If Beasley fell I'd test the waters to see what it would take to trade up with Chicago for Rose, since Beasley seems to be an obvious fit for them.

D' Winner Within · Post #48 » by **shrink** » Sat Jun 7, 2008 5:49 pm

Mayo doesn't want to work out with Minny

Mayo has reportedly yet to schedule even a single workout, and will probably do so after he officially hires his new agent. We

Beasley or Mayo?

Who do you hope is available with the third pick?