Knicks/Wolves

NYKNICKSBBALL · Post #21 » by **NYKNICKSBBALL** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:58 pm

I think the 6th and lee for the 3rd and a fill in works for both teams. The knicks can get mayo who they convet and the wolves can get a double double david lee and a solid pick at 6.

4ho5ive · Post #22 » by **4ho5ive** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:35 pm

Yea, you're gonna have to offer more than Lee and #6 to move up. We can stand pat at #3 and take whoever is left of Beasley/Mayo, so we have no problem not dealing, you gotta do better than that.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #23 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:31 am

Lee is enough talent-wise, but I'm not sure if he fits the MN roster w/ Al Jefferson and him both being best used at PF

how is he at center, I see he has an amazing PER differential while playing center,
http://www.82games.com/0708/07NYK11C.HTM
but I'd suspect those numbers are against small lineups

cutthecrap · Post #24 » by **cutthecrap** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:21 am

Franchise just posted on this as well...

Not sure if there is anything concrete to the rumor of #3 for #5 and #6 although for the Wolves this would appear to be very appealing.

I know the consensus is for a Love/Gallinari draft...I much prefer Love and Augustin. DJ may be undersized and still needs work on his defense, but he is a tremendous floor leader and will be able to set up Al, Foye and Love for many, many years to come!

mayorhoiberg · Post #25 » by **mayorhoiberg** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:31 pm

This actually appears to have some life.

Rumors say that Memphis wants to cut salary, so they'd actually deal the 5 and Brian Cardinal to NYK for Lee.

Leaving the Knicks with the 5th and 6th picks.

Leaving us the opportunity to offer Mayo for Love and Gallinari.

OHHH man.

TMo519 · Post #26 » by **TMo519** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:56 pm

I'm not really sure how I feel about that. But I don't think we couldn't not do it.

MN Die Hard · Post #27 » by **MN Die Hard** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:09 pm

I'm with whoever said we should just trump NY's offer for #5. McCants/Walker/picks (31, Miami, Boston) for #5 and Cardinal...not sure what the final package looks like but if Memphis really is considering NY's offer (which I doubt anyway) I think we can do better.

Why settle for 5 and 6 when we can have 3 and 5? Mayo and Love....ooh yeah, we're set up for YEARS!

TMo519 · Post #28 » by **TMo519** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:13 pm

MN Die Hard wrote:I'm with whoever said we should just trump NY's offer for #5. McCants/Walker/picks (31, Miami, Boston) for #5 and Cardinal...not sure what the final package looks like but if Memphis really is considering NY's offer (which I doubt anyway) I think we can do better.

Why settle for 5 and 6 when we can have 3 and 5? Mayo and Love....ooh yeah, we're set up for YEARS!

Yeah, I like that better.

cutthecrap · Post #29 » by **cutthecrap** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:18 pm

My sense is that we have a much higher perceived value of McCants than the other teams...

mayorhoiberg · Post #30 » by **mayorhoiberg** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:24 pm

cutthecrap wrote:My sense is that we have a much higher perceived value of McCants than the other teams...

My sense is the exact opposite.

There are no other fans in the NBA who would insistently and consistently try to trade a top 20 3 point shooter who averages 15 points per game for garbage. (#31 and McCants for #24!!!! what a great deal!!!)

MN Die Hard · Post #31 » by **MN Die Hard** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:24 pm

cutthecrap wrote:My sense is that we have a much higher perceived value of McCants than the other teams...

I dont disagree with that, but the same thing might hold true with the Knicks and David Lee.

funkatron101 · Post #32 » by **funkatron101** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:28 pm

cutthecrap wrote:My sense is that we have a much higher perceived value of McCants than the other teams...

I think his true value is somewhere in the middle.

TrentTuckerForever · Post #33 » by **TrentTuckerForever** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:28 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:Lee is enough talent-wise, but I'm not sure if he fits the MN roster w/ Al Jefferson and him both being best used at PF

how is he at center, I see he has an amazing PER differential while playing center,
http://www.82games.com/0708/07NYK11C.HTM
but I'd suspect those numbers are against small lineups

Thanks for posting that link, Devilz. I totally think of Lee as a center next to Al... neither are dominant defensive players, but both rebound well and Lee's athleticism would mix well with Al's post game (high-low lobs, etc.) Lee is only 6'9", but Ben Wallace played at a game changing level for five years as a 6'7" center. Lee has similar physical tools and a great work ethic.

TrentTuckerForever · Post #34 » by **TrentTuckerForever** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:36 pm

MN Die Hard wrote:I'm with whoever said we should just trump NY's offer for #5. McCants/Walker/picks (31, Miami, Boston) for #5 and Cardinal...not sure what the final package looks like but if Memphis really is considering NY's offer (which I doubt anyway) I think we can do better.

Why settle for 5 and 6 when we can have 3 and 5? Mayo and Love....ooh yeah, we're set up for YEARS!

So MN would offer McCants and Walker's expiring for #5 and Cardinal? Hmm. That is better than anything NYK could put together, and is probably a fair deal for McCants.

I'm with MayorHoiberg on McCants - he's probably underrated on this board because we're so familiar with the warts on his game (defense, turnovers, etc.) McCants might have been the proverbial "good stats/bad team" guy last year, but those stats Hoiberg cites are hard to ignore, especially for a young player coming off microfracture surgery.

Love is basically a more skilled, less athletic version of Lee. As far as fit goes I'd rather have Lee next to Jefferson than Love, but either (while keeping Mayo) would be great. Really, really great actually.

Post #35 » by **Worm Guts** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:39 pm

Lee isn't a starting caliber center (at least not the kind I'd like next to Al) but he would a nice 3rd big who could give minutes at both the 4 and 5. If we're not going to pick Mayo at 3 it would make sense to trade down to 6 and get Lee.

Post #36 » by **Worm Guts** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:42 pm

TrentTuckerForever wrote:
MN Die Hard wrote:I'm with whoever said we should just trump NY's offer for #5. McCants/Walker/picks (31, Miami, Boston) for #5 and Cardinal...not sure what the final package looks like but if Memphis really is considering NY's offer (which I doubt anyway) I think we can do better.

Why settle for 5 and 6 when we can have 3 and 5? Mayo and Love....ooh yeah, we're set up for YEARS!

So MN would offer McCants and Walker's expiring for #5 and Cardinal? Hmm. That is better than anything NYK could put together, and is probably a fair deal for McCants.

I'm with MayorHoiberg on McCants - he's probably underrated on this board because we're so familiar with the warts on his game (defense, turnovers, etc.) McCants might have been the proverbial "good stats/bad team" guy last year, but those stats Hoiberg cites are hard to ignore, especially for a young player coming off microfracture surgery.

Love is basically a more skilled, less athletic version of Lee. As far as fit goes I'd rather have Lee next to Jefferson than Love, but either (while keeping Mayo) would be great. Really, really great actually.

McCants and Walker make alot more than Cardinal, we'd have to take back more salary.

cutthecrap · Post #37 » by **cutthecrap** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:47 pm

The word is that they tried to deal him at the trade deadline last year and based on 1) his lack of effort on the defensive end and 2) his reluctance to listen to the coaches they were unable to make anything happen.

So despite being a good scorer, his value appears to be much higher for the Wolves.

TrentTuckerForever · Post #38 » by **TrentTuckerForever** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:00 pm

cutthecrap wrote:The word is that they tried to deal him at the trade deadline last year and based on 1) his lack of effort on the defensive end and 2) his reluctance to listen to the coaches they were unable to make anything happen.

So despite being a good scorer, his value appears to be much higher for the Wolves.

... or they just didn't want to give him away for nothing. I actually think McCants and Lee have similar value - young players who've had some statistical success on bad teams. McCants would be a great fit in NY with D'Antoni. He'd play Rashard, Crawford and a PG together on the wings and try to run like crazy.

I think Lee's ceiling is higher than 3rd big, Worm. He just turned 25 and has never had a consistent role for the Knicks (they played him some at the 3 last year, for crying out loud!) I think if he played consistent minutes next to an established low-post scorer like Jefferson, he could be a solid starter. Kurt Thomas-like, perhaps.

Post #39 » by **Worm Guts** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:40 pm

TrentTuckerForever wrote:
I think Lee's ceiling is higher than 3rd big, Worm. He just turned 25 and has never had a consistent role for the Knicks (they played him some at the 3 last year, for crying out loud!) I think if he played consistent minutes next to an established low-post scorer like Jefferson, he could be a solid starter. Kurt Thomas-like, perhaps.

Lee could be a solid starter at PF, and he can play some minutes at center next to Al but I don't think Al and Lee make a great full-time frontcourt. It would be OK, I guess.

Sephiroth · Post #40 » by **Sephiroth** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:09 pm

Draft OJ Mayo no matter what.

Do you trade Jordan for Stockton and Barkley? No.

Malone > Barkley.
Jordan > Stockton and Malone.

OJ Mayo = Jordan.
Kevin Love and Eric Gordon = Stockton and Malone.

Of course, this is a ridiculous post - but I'd go with Mayo.