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Re: 2013 Summer League Team & Schedule 

Post#151 » by N Ireland Nets » Tue Jul 9, 2013 1:11 pm

All Toko should worry about doing is rebound hard, crash the glass, defend hard & cut to the baskets for dunks or layups.

He shouldn't try hitting 3 pointers until he can start to knock them down at a decent clip.

He needs to focus on what he is good at. There is an opportunity for him to get a role on the Brooklyn team as a hustle energy guy off the bench to help keep pierce rested playing some minutes along with Bogdanovic.

Plumlee seems so far to give us some nice depth at center but I doubt he plays outside of garbage time but who knows he might develop into something more. We very well could need Plumlee to take over Blatches role with the Nets from next season if we can't retain Blatche or he gets a big offer.

If only Teletovic finds his mojo and gave us a legit option at PF, it would really benefit Garnett & let us play him limit mins and even play some Center if need be.
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Re: 2013 Summer League Team & Schedule 

Post#152 » by SpeedyG » Tue Jul 9, 2013 1:21 pm

PetroNet wrote:Is Plumlee a center or PF in the NBA? he looks/plays on the smaller side, but should be mobile enough to play the 4 maybe. toko may be better suited as a tweener/PF then a wing. he could probably gaurd some 4's. wonder if thats why they have him at 4 in SL


He's a 4 IMO.
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Re: 2013 Summer League Team & Schedule 

Post#153 » by Basileus777 » Tue Jul 9, 2013 1:23 pm

I don't think Plumlee has the offensive game to play the 4.
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Post#154 » by SpeedyG » Tue Jul 9, 2013 1:26 pm

Basileus777 wrote:I don't think Plumlee has the offensive game to play the 4.


And Kidd didn't have the jumpshot when he came in. He's got the foot speed, the coordination, athleticism to be a 4. He even has a solid spin move and sky hook. If he adds a face-up game and combine it with that athleticism and coordination, he'll be fine. And his short arms won't matter as much as a 4.
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Re: 2013 Summer League Team & Schedule 

Post#155 » by Basileus777 » Tue Jul 9, 2013 1:30 pm

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Basileus777 wrote:I don't think Plumlee has the offensive game to play the 4.


And Kidd didn't have the jumpshot when he came in. He's got the foot speed, the coordination, athleticism to be a 4. He even has a solid spin move and sky hook. If he adds a face-up game and combine it with that athleticism and coordination, he'll be fine. And his short arms won't matter as much as a 4.


If he can develop that range sure. But as of now that's just a hypothetical.
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Post#156 » by SpeedyG » Tue Jul 9, 2013 2:43 pm

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Basileus777 wrote:I don't think Plumlee has the offensive game to play the 4.


And Kidd didn't have the jumpshot when he came in. He's got the foot speed, the coordination, athleticism to be a 4. He even has a solid spin move and sky hook. If he adds a face-up game and combine it with that athleticism and coordination, he'll be fine. And his short arms won't matter as much as a 4.


If he can develop that range sure. But as of now that's just a hypothetical.


He showed a jump shot last game. Also, him getting a jumpshot is more likely than his arms getting longer. So while getting a faceup game is a hypothetical, that he will be undersized as a C is a fact based on reality. Looking at him side by side with Toko, he doesn't even look that much taller than Toko.
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Re: 2013 Summer League Team & Schedule 

Post#157 » by N Ireland Nets » Tue Jul 9, 2013 2:51 pm

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And Kidd didn't have the jumpshot when he came in. He's got the foot speed, the coordination, athleticism to be a 4. He even has a solid spin move and sky hook. If he adds a face-up game and combine it with that athleticism and coordination, he'll be fine. And his short arms won't matter as much as a 4.


If he can develop that range sure. But as of now that's just a hypothetical.


He showed a jump shot last game. Also, him getting a jumpshot is more likely than his arms getting longer. So while getting a faceup game is a hypothetical, that he will be undersized as a C is a fact based on reality. Looking at him side by side with Toko, he doesn't even look that much taller than Toko.


Toko is rumoured to be 6'10 now so he seems to still be growing. It looks like Brooklyn has Toko on a weights program to add bulk, maybe they see him as more of a PF instead of a SF.
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Re: 2013 Summer League Team & Schedule 

Post#158 » by SpeedyG » Tue Jul 9, 2013 3:08 pm

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If he can develop that range sure. But as of now that's just a hypothetical.


He showed a jump shot last game. Also, him getting a jumpshot is more likely than his arms getting longer. So while getting a faceup game is a hypothetical, that he will be undersized as a C is a fact based on reality. Looking at him side by side with Toko, he doesn't even look that much taller than Toko.


Toko is rumoured to be 6'10 now so he seems to still be growing. It looks like Brooklyn has Toko on a weights program to add bulk, maybe they see him as more of a PF instead of a SF.


Would explain it, coz he certainly does not look as nimble as last year. He also looked much bigger the first time I saw him. Still point stands...easier for Mason to get a jumpshot than to grow inches on those arms.
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Re: 2013 Summer League Team & Schedule 

Post#159 » by Rich Rane » Tue Jul 9, 2013 4:35 pm

Was Plumlee considered a consistent jumpshooter last year or do we call him a jumpshooter like Humphries was for the Nets two years ago?
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Re: 2013 Summer League Team & Schedule 

Post#160 » by Paradise » Tue Jul 9, 2013 4:45 pm

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If he can develop that range sure. But as of now that's just a hypothetical.


He showed a jump shot last game. Also, him getting a jumpshot is more likely than his arms getting longer. So while getting a faceup game is a hypothetical, that he will be undersized as a C is a fact based on reality. Looking at him side by side with Toko, he doesn't even look that much taller than Toko.


Toko is rumoured to be 6'10 now so he seems to still be growing. It looks like Brooklyn has Toko on a weights program to add bulk, maybe they see him as more of a PF instead of a SF.


That's interesting. I've noticed his Point Forward skill set is being put to use more. I hope he will split minutes with Bogdanovic at Small Forward since there is no room for him to be a PF.
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Re: 2013 Summer League Team & Schedule 

Post#161 » by Born_Ready » Tue Jul 9, 2013 5:03 pm

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He showed a jump shot last game. Also, him getting a jumpshot is more likely than his arms getting longer. So while getting a faceup game is a hypothetical, that he will be undersized as a C is a fact based on reality. Looking at him side by side with Toko, he doesn't even look that much taller than Toko.


Toko is rumoured to be 6'10 now so he seems to still be growing. It looks like Brooklyn has Toko on a weights program to add bulk, maybe they see him as more of a PF instead of a SF.


That's interesting. I've noticed his Point Forward skill set is being put to use more. I hope he will split minutes with Bogdanovic at Small Forward since there is no room for him to be a PF.


I am in favor of Kidd utilizing his skill set as well, if he can learn to use his length and strength to his advantage he could be a great assest to have coming off the bench.
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Post#162 » by SpeedyG » Tue Jul 9, 2013 5:04 pm

The problem is Toko has a habit of getting himself in trouble. In transition, he's really good at it. But in a half-court setting, him putting the ball on the floor typically resulted in turnovers.
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Re: 2013 Summer League Team & Schedule 

Post#163 » by N Ireland Nets » Tue Jul 9, 2013 5:44 pm

SpeedyG wrote:The problem is Toko has a habit of getting himself in trouble. In transition, he's really good at it. But in a half-court setting, him putting the ball on the floor typically resulted in turnovers.


Thats just it. He's raw as hell but has the physical tools for a good player, problem is the only real thing he does well right now is pass the ball & make good moves/decisions in transition.

He needs to keep using his strengths rather than trying to hit 3 pointers. I want him cutting to the basket, setting hard screens and rolling to the basket constantly because he makes good decisions with the ball close to the basket in the half court.

Toko can't shoot, so he shouldn't be shooting until it's a consistent stroke. He's been solid defensively but again this is against summer league players, we'll see how he does with the big boys.
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Re: 2013 Summer League Team & Schedule 

Post#164 » by CalamityX12 » Tue Jul 9, 2013 7:39 pm

N Ireland Nets wrote:Toko is rumoured to be 6'10 now so he seems to still be growing. It looks like Brooklyn has Toko on a weights program to add bulk, maybe they see him as more of a PF instead of a SF.


Toko looks naturally bigger than most of the guys in the summer league that play the 3/4 spots... So i'll believe both the suggested growth spurt and the added weight.....

My concern now is the NETs brass actually thinking of making him into a PF which I believe he isn't suited for naturally.

Big supporter for Toko and the lack of game time playing/experience shows in his drives to the basket and decision making on both O n D.... I think he can improve with vets so I still hold hope...
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Re: 2013 Summer League Team & Schedule 

Post#165 » by PetroNet » Tue Jul 9, 2013 10:24 pm

N Ireland Nets wrote:All Toko should worry about doing is rebound hard, crash the glass, defend hard & cut to the baskets for dunks or layups.

He shouldn't try hitting 3 pointers until he can start to knock them down at a decent clip.

He needs to focus on what he is good at. There is an opportunity for him to get a role on the Brooklyn team as a hustle energy guy off the bench to help keep pierce rested playing some minutes along with Bogdanovic.


The thing is though... if he is ever going to see consistent minutes in the NBA he is going to need to either develope a solid 3 point shot, or become a PF. im fine with him taking 3's in summer league... thats what its for... to improve. im fine with 1-10 and losing games because they dont matter and this is his time to develop that sort of thing.

Him getting 8 transition dunks vs. undersized guys likely to be d-league scrubs soon doesnt really translate to the NBA. I like that he added size and i like that he (hopefully) is trying to improve his range
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Re: 2013 Summer League Team & Schedule 

Post#166 » by N Ireland Nets » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:08 pm

I wish we had spent some cash to buy a late 1st to take Gobert, it would've been worth the risk. He's raw but his tools are just insane, he just stuck his arms straight up and down at the rim and blocked a shot by a Brooklyn player.
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Post#167 » by Paradise » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:11 pm

Toko looking good early
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Post#168 » by N Ireland Nets » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:13 pm

Paradise wrote:Toko looking good early


Yeh just seems more active or something, has a little pep in his step this morning.
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Post#169 » by Paradise » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:19 pm

Taylor needs to never see the ball again.
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Taylor needs to never see the ball again.

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