2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors

[treiz]

I'm sorry but Batum is not better than anyone Thorn has drafted, IMO pre-injury, KMart would spank him, RJ would, I know for a fact T-Will would and Nenad is arguable. We're talking about a ROLE PLAYER for the Blazers, you're acting like this guy is the 2nd coming of Jordan.

Hold on. I meant mid to late round picks. I was not comparing him to Kmart and RJ. FYI, many people around the league value Batum extremely high. There was even a report about Blazers turning down the 4th pick this year for him. Not sure if true, but the fan reaction said thats actually reasonable. Personally i would have given up Batum for the 4th pick in second.

Please name me any 2nd rounders in the league today that's as good as the 8th man off the bench (this is more curiosity, not a challenge towards you).

Any 2nd rounder? How about Boozer or Ellis? But thats too easy, i'll do you 1 better and limit myself. Lets just look at the past 2 drafts.

2009
Sam Young (6th in minutes on Memphis)
DeJaun Blair (9th)
Jerebko (6th and a starter)
Marcus Thornton (6th and a starter)
Budinger (9th)
2008
Chalmers (6th)
Luc Mbah AMoute (6th and a starter)
Sonny Weems (8th)
CDR (6th)
Goran Dragic (8th)
Bill Walker (8th)

So you have 3 guys from the 2nd round in top 8 of their teams in minutes AS ROOKIES. 6 more the previous year in their 2nd season. So they are in the rotation already, and some of them are still getting better.

Phully has nothing to do with anything, and I don't give a crap whose idea it was, but at the end of the day, we have to share the same summer league team, that was my point. I'm not saying we draft because of Philly, it's roster spots and minutes in the summer league is what I was getting at.

I still dont know what you're talking about. We are not sharing a team with Philly this year as far as i know, am i wrong?

Let's compare their best draft picks:

The difference is that Thorn had 8 years to put together that list and Pritchard had 4. You dont think that makes a HUGE difference?

Nenad was a late pick. RJ although just BARELY lottery was mid round. But, fair enough they have him in high regards and fair enough they rejected the 4th pick for him, but that doesn't mean that all of a sudden he's a budding superstar. I have nothing against him, I just don't see the fascination towards him. He's a young player with potential and people all over RealGm are going nuts over it, it's crazy. And yes, I too would give up the Batum for the 4th pick in a heartbeat.

Fair enough on the 2nd rounders bit, to be fair I've really lost track of basketball the last couple of years and now I'm trying to pick it back up. But I agree with all those, but at the same time, those guys are literally borderline starters/role players (not Boozer and Ellis). These guys can be found in the UDFA, and you've listed 8 guys out of 60 picks, that's a 13%(recurring) success rate, and some of these guys might not even be in a roster 3-4 years from now or at least 12th man off the bench, guys like CDR, Chalmers and Bill Walker are the guys I'm talking about.

I'll also add the other drafts 2 more years pre-2008:
2007:
Carl Landry
Glen Davis
Marc Gasol

2006:
Paul Milsap

4 out of 60, that's an even worse success rate at 0.067 recurring.

I'm not sure about the Philly thing, but I haven't heard anything, so I'm assuming we're still sharing a summer league team with them.

OK fair enough, I'll retract the comparison comment.

Look, I'm not even trying to argue whose the better drafter, my main concern is why you have so much hate on Thorn, he brought us to the finals in the early years of the 2000s, bare in mind we were a utter crap that year, and in 2 years he got us the the FINALS, and now as a parting gift, he's put us in a wonderful position to succeed and become legit contenders in the 2010s. We have a shot at Lebron, Wade or Bosh this year, Melo next year and we still have cap to build around those players as well having guys like Brook, TWill, Favors. We're in a position most teams would die to be in and Thorn has put us here.

[treiz]

You guys have come such a long way over the years. It makes me very proud as the old man of the sea around here to come by for a visit and see the now super veterans of the board back up your arguments with such detailed posts. Not just say a thing....but demonstrate your argument.

I mean...wow. No idea the pride I am feeling reading some of the work put into these posts.

Respect and ENETRIC cookies are being passed out in droves this month. Prelude and Treiz...keep slamming him with not only your opinions, but backing it up with great info. Really some great posts being made in terms of content.

See...its not about arrogance. Its about info. I may be the biggest smart ass...but I am a smart ass that says....you come to the fight with a bat? I didn't come with guns to counter it...I will come with guns, grenades, missile launchers, and a nuclear weapon as a last resort if that's what it takes. So many of you guys have evolved to writing posts that take the time to really make people think...and see that you are thinking.

PS- Treiz I think you were being nice on one point. Kmart was about as no brainer of a pick as Oden was. There were many people who said stay away from the big who has suffered serious leg injuries with Swift, Fizer and Miles out there. Its easy to say now...but an exec has to make the call with all risk involved. Even with the jury still out...does anyone think Oden can come close to closing the gap to what Durant is in the league? That wasn't Bowie over MJ or Darko over Melo, Wade, Bosh....but its looking like a pretty massive black eye. As much as I respect Pritchard and the moves he made overall? Demens argument is clearly with bias when you look at it with all the facts being laid out. You cant throw hate bombs at Rod and have wood for Pritchard and see it laid out like this and have people see where you are coming from. Sure...you can debate the small details to death. But the whole picture together...it starts looking like Demens only argument is...Rod Thorn must have snubbed him for an autograph once.

God how much I love to see credibility of the ignorant crumble.

Well, puberty does kick in hard, especially when you have Dr. Cox-E looking over your shoulder watching every move you make, kind of like the suspicious looking Uncle who makes the "cookies".( )

Well I always thought that the position we were in Kmart was a no-brainer, same with Oden. But yeah I just don't see Oden closing that gap, Oden IMO will eventually be considered a bust but the key word there is eventually. IMO in about 2 years Durant will be MVP and the Thunder will become a dominant force. I think this year will be pretty much the same, as they just got Aldrich (the type of player they need) and his development is key to them going forward.

[Jersey Generals]

For the record, Oden is an average starter when healthy;

Average? He was anything but average when he was playing. He was a game changer for those 20 games he played last season. 11 and 8 with 2 blocks in 23 minutes for what amounted to be a rookie? That's not average.

[treiz]

^That is average. 11 and 8 actually is the definition of average.

EDIT: BTW, to RR and JJ. Don't mean to backseat mod, but shouldn't we lock this thread after 100 pages and start a new one?

[Jersey Generals]

^That is average. 11 and 8 actually is the definition of average.

That's average for a ten year vet, who plays 35 minutes a game. Not average for a player who has only played 80 games in his career. Oh, and 2.3 blocks per game? Yeah, that would be third in the league.

[vincecarter4pres]

I don't plan on getting very involved in this argument, but I would like to say one thing:

Batum is a fantastic prospect and already solid player and legit starter.

He's going to be a rich man's Tayshaun Prince and that my friends is a perrenial All Star.

[Rich Rane]

^That is average. 11 and 8 actually is the definition of average.

EDIT: BTW, to RR and JJ. Don't mean to backseat mod, but shouldn't we lock this thread after 100 pages and start a new one?

You're right though. Congratulations guys. I believe this would be our first +100 page thread on the Nets Board during my tenure here.

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[jerseyjac]

I cant remember...maybe once or twice back when Kidd Vince came over... But its been a long time I cant even recall the last time...

Regardless, congratulations, this was a great thread and it shows we're maturing as a forum...

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