The Official 2012 Nets Offseason Thread (Part 2)

[drejeronfire]

Please edit your post before Billy King reads it.

Let's see if Billy pulls off the ultimate big money moves lol.

Brook for Bogut and then Hump, Brooks, Bogs rights and picks for Amar'e.


Huh? What was that? I can't hear you over all this win.

[therealbig3]

So with the D12 dream officially dead...I'd really like it if we could upgrade Avery to SVG.

SVG is a really good coach, totally underrated. He was probably the main reason why D12 developed into a DPOY. Dwight wasn't getting any All-D recognition until SVG became his head coach, and SVG is also the reason why D12 developed into an offensive force as well (the 4 out, 1 in offense has benefitted Dwight greatly).

He always gets his teams to overachieve, and he preaches defense. The only problem is he's kind of "say it how it is", and can get on players' nerves, especially star players. But...we kind of have that now with Avery, and he's nowhere close to the caliber of coach that SVG is.

[Keith Van Horn]

Are the Nets targeting Blatche as a backup center/PF?

It appears Avery is meeting with him in Texas.

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/01/nets-show-interest-in-blatche/

I brought this possibility up a while ago. I think it can still work with this revamped team. Blatche will be far from the main option he was supposed to be in DC, and who knows, maybe he'll do well in a limited role....

And if he becomes a solid backup option he can become a trade chip later in the season with a low salary.

[enetric]

We have brought Blatche up several times here. Many of us love the idea (myself included) and many do not.

Just happy the Nets are at least considering him. Whatever happens...happens.

[jerseyjac]

Definitely potential and there is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't give Blatche a serious look at this point...I for one love his upside and if he can get in good shape and stay healthy he could be productive on this current roster in specific situations...

[Keith Van Horn]

If we had been seriously looking at Hilton Armstrong and Eddy Curry, then yes, please give Blatche a look.

Getting amnestied had to have been a humbling experience, combined with the fact that there hasn't been much interest in him from other teams.

If he can keep his head straight and contribute 15-20 minutes a night with numbers like 10/5, I'm extremely happy with that for the vet's minimum. Also he was once a "quality" starter (I'll use that term loosely) so if something happens to Lopez, he is an acceptable bigman to fill in that spot.

And above all else, if he's not working out or in the Net's future, he can be used as a trade chip.

But if all goes well and he is signed and he's contributing steady numbers, I really like the lineup.

Williams / Watson / Taylor
Johnson / Brooks / Bogans
Wallace / Toko / Stackhouse
Humphries / Teletovic / Evans
Lopez / Blatche

That's a solid second unit too.

[Paradise]

Actually, it will most likely look like this:

Williams / Watson / Taylor
Johnson / Brooks / Stackhouse
Wallace / Bogans / Toko
Humphries / Teletovic / Blatche
Lopez / Evans / Blatche

It's pretty good and solid but I'd still want another SF and veteran C for Blatche and some of the other youngsters.

[enetric]

If we add Blatche, if he is healthy and he has learned some humility? I would be a bit surprised to see him eventually become the starting PF on this team.

[Stone]

I'm glad we signed Blatche its a gamble worth taking. He could have Greald Green type of rebirth and be a steal. Time will tell. The thought of Eddie Curry makes me cringe.


Welcome to the Nets Andre Blatche.

[Keith Van Horn]

I'm glad we signed Blatche its a gamble worth taking. He could have Greald Green type of rebirth and be a steal. Time will tell. The thought of Eddie Curry makes me cringe.


Welcome to the Nets Andre Blatche.

I agree with your Green reference and your thought of Curry, lol!

Welcome Dray!

[llemon]

I'm glad we signed Blatche its a gamble worth taking. He could have Greald Green type of rebirth and be a steal. Time will tell. The thought of Eddie Curry makes me cringe.


Welcome to the Nets Andre Blatche.

I agree with your Green reference and your thought of Curry, lol!

Welcome Dray!

If Blatche straightens out and has a good season, there is no way he re-signs with the Nets

[vincecarter4pres]

Worry about next season when it comes. There is nothing they could have done about that anyway, there isn't a snow cone chance in mid summer Coney Island heat that Blatche was signing a 2 year vet min deal, anywhere.

[vincecarter4pres]

What are the odds Memphis is stumbling this season and we wind up dealing Wallace, Hump and a couple 1sts for Rudy Gay and Zach Randolph?

I wonder if we'll make the first low cost(asset wise) panic move we come across, fit and future flexibility be damned, or if we'll be patient and wait for a proper ripoff?

[ALLiDOisQUINN]

I think the team has the capacity / flexibility to make one more trade for a productive yet vastly overpaid player.

I'm thinking more along the lines of David Lee but would love Rudy Gay if he were to ever become available....

I think it'd take Memphis stumbling and players like MarShon, Shengelia, Bogdanovic (abroad) really upping their value to get Memphis to pull the trigger though...

If you could save them money while not completely blowing up their team while throwing them some young promising prospects (and I'm not sure if any of the Nets prospects currently fall into this category), maybe they'd pull the trigger...

[llemon]

Worry about next season when it comes. There is nothing they could have done about that anyway, there isn't a snow cone chance in mid summer Coney Island heat that Blatche was signing a 2 year vet min deal, anywhere.

Again, Blatche is about to sign an UNGUARANTEED contract.

That is not even a Vets' Min deal. It means that no team is willing to RISK signing him to a one year Vets' Min GUARANTEED contract. Do you understand the implications of that?

F'n Jerry Stackhouse got a guaranteed Vets' Min contract, and I'm pretty sure Stack died about 2 1/2 years ago.

[therealbig3]

Worry about next season when it comes. There is nothing they could have done about that anyway, there isn't a snow cone chance in mid summer Coney Island heat that Blatche was signing a 2 year vet min deal, anywhere.

Again, Blatche is about to sign an UNGUARANTEED contract.

That is not even a Vets' Min deal. It means that no team is willing to RISK signing him to a one year Vets' Min GUARANTEED contract. Do you understand the implications of that?

F'n Jerry Stackhouse got a guaranteed Vets' Min contract, and I'm pretty sure Stack died about 2 1/2 years ago.

Who cares if it's unguaranteed? If he plays well, we're not going to cut him, so he'll get paid. And if he plays well, he wouldn't want to sign a contract longer than 1 year, because he could sign a multi-year, guaranteed contract for more money. Not only are other teams looking for him to sign a 1-year deal...HE'S looking to sign a 1-year deal, so that he can show everyone else that he's not the POS anymore that he's been the last couple of years, and if he can convince people of that, he'll sign a big money contract for multiple years. That works out for him better than signing a 2 year vet minimum deal.

[vincecarter4pres]

Worry about next season when it comes. There is nothing they could have done about that anyway, there isn't a snow cone chance in mid summer Coney Island heat that Blatche was signing a 2 year vet min deal, anywhere.

Again, Blatche is about to sign an UNGUARANTEED contract.

That is not even a Vets' Min deal. It means that no team is willing to RISK signing him to a one year Vets' Min GUARANTEED contract. Do you understand the implications of that?

F'n Jerry Stackhouse got a guaranteed Vets' Min contract, and I'm pretty sure Stack died about 2 1/2 years ago.

I think I fully understand it, it's obvious you're having trouble grasping the simplest of concepts.

Blatche was just amnestied by the Wizards.

This means Washington still has to pay him the remaining approximate $23 million dollars left on his contract over the next 3 seasons no matter what he does.

He's not signing a vet min deal cause he's worried about the million dollars and change it pays him.

He wants to sign a vet min deal to show he's still worthy of being a rotation player on an NBA roster, so that he can go out and sign a multi-year, multimillion dollar contract after this season.

The last thing he wants is a team being able to control how much he makes and where he plays next year as well as this year.

Bottom line is he won't be a Net next year unless it's by the Taxpayer's MLE.

[llemon]

Worry about next season when it comes. There is nothing they could have done about that anyway, there isn't a snow cone chance in mid summer Coney Island heat that Blatche was signing a 2 year vet min deal, anywhere.

Again, Blatche is about to sign an UNGUARANTEED contract.

That is not even a Vets' Min deal. It means that no team is willing to RISK signing him to a one year Vets' Min GUARANTEED contract. Do you understand the implications of that?

F'n Jerry Stackhouse got a guaranteed Vets' Min contract, and I'm pretty sure Stack died about 2 1/2 years ago.

I think I fully understand it, it's obvious you're having trouble grasping the simplest of concepts.

Blatche was just amnestied by the Wizards.

This means Washington still has to pay him the remaining approximate $23 million dollars left on his contract over the next 3 seasons no matter what he does.

He's not signing a vet min deal cause he's worried about the million dollars and change it pays him.

He wants to sign a vet min deal to show he's still worthy of being a rotation player on an NBA roster, so that he can go out and sign a multi-year, multimillion dollar contract after this season.

The last thing he wants is a team being able to control how much he makes and where he plays next year as well as this year.

Bottom line is he won't be a Net next year unless it's by the Taxpayer's MLE.

Okay, let's talk about the $23 mil,

First, there is the escrow money, which should be 10%

Then there are his agents fees

Then, of course, there are taxes, and I believe 'Dray will pay more than the 13% Romney pays.

And pretty sure he has spent a good amount of his future salary already, being he seems to be an incredible moron.

Probably a mortgage on a too expensive house that he bought.

Then there is hooker and baby mama money.

I'm going to assume that, financially, Blatche isn't set for life.

In fact, I might be more financially secure than 'Dray.

[NyCeEvO]

What are the odds Memphis is stumbling this season and we wind up dealing Wallace, Hump and a couple 1sts for Rudy Gay and Zach Randolph?

I wonder if we'll make the first low cost(asset wise) panic move we come across, fit and future flexibility be damned, or if we'll be patient and wait for a proper ripoff?

I agree that the conversation could begin if Memphis struggles, but Gay needs to prove that he's become a better defender. With this lineup, we don't need more offense, we need defense. Gay would give us a more athleticism but I wonder about his BBIQ at times.

At the same time, how healthy will Crash be over the life of the rest of his contract and how good will he be?

There a lot of variables here and I'm leaning towards thinking that they won't play out in a way that will produce the above trade or something similar to it. I could be wrong though...

[vincecarter4pres]

Just for **** and giggles assume it happened:

Deron
JJ
Gay
Zbo
Lopez

Still leaves us with most of the same problems.

Maybe you take it as far as you can and then look to deal for Bogut in the offseason?

Deron
JJ
Gay
Zbo
Bogut

??