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Rank the Nets starting lineup by position 

Post#1 » by therealbig3 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:46 am

I figured this would be a fun little distraction...I've seen people mention that we have 4 players in our starting lineup that are top 10 in their position...I was wondering exactly where do they rank?

PG - Deron Williams
SG - Joe Johnson
SF - Gerald Wallace
PF - Kris Humphries
C - Brook Lopez

Deron Williams

I've personally got him 2nd at his position. The only PG I see clearly better than him is Chris Paul. They're very similar in the sense that they both don't really have any weaknesses and can do pretty much everything...Paul is just a little better at everything. Better scorer, better passer, better at taking care of the ball, better rebounder, better defender.

A healthy Rose and Deron is pretty much a toss-up for me, because they both have their own advantages, but because nobody knows how Rose is going to bounce back, and he's guaranteed to miss almost half the season, I've got to give the edge to Deron.

Rank: 2nd


Joe Johnson

I think Wade, Kobe, Harden, and Ginobili are clearly better, while I think JJ is clearly better than anyone else. I'm a little iffy on Gordon though, because I don't know about his health, so I'm not including him for now. Not much of an explanation needed here.

Rank: 6th


Gerald Wallace

Durant, Melo, Pierce, Granger, Iguodala, and Deng are better imo. Oh yeah, and some guy named LeBron.

Granger/Iguodala/Deng are the most arguable ones, but I think they're clearly a bit better. Granger doesn't do anything better than Wallace other than score, similar compared to Iguodala and Deng too, but he's an excellent scorer, who can spot-up, shoot off screens, and iso. He provides much better floor-spacing than Wallace, and he's a good defender himself. Iguodala and Deng actually do what Wallace does (defend), except they're better. Deng spaces the floor better because of his outside shooting, and Iguodala is a better offensive player than Deng or Wallace imo.

Rank: 8th


Kris Humphries

Clearly the guy that's not top 10. Love, LMA, Dirk, Griffin, Lee, Smith, Bosh, Pau, Millsap, Garnett, Duncan, Scola, Boozer, Harrington, Nene, Ilyasova, Young, West, Bass, Randolph, Brand, Faried, and Favors are all obviously better imo. I may have missed some. Notice that I didn't include Amare. When he's playing healthy, and he's playing well, his offense is good enough to overlook his atrocious defense and rank him over Humphries. But I simply cannot rank him over Humphries when his offense isn't up to par, and there are questions about his health (like last year), because his defense really is that bad.

Rank: 24th at best


Brook Lopez

Very controversial and polarizing member of our starting lineup. I'll be honest though...the rebounding and defense we last saw from Lopez was pathetic, and his offense alone is not good enough to compensate for that. He's basically like Amare, except with worse offense, and worse rebounding, compensated by marginally less sucky defense. I hate players like that. He's got probably the best skillset in the low post out of any big man in the league today, but he's really got to round out his game.

However, giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he'll give the effort necessary to at least be an average rebounder and defensive presence (which I actually think he will be), I'd only take D12, Bynum (barely), Gortat (so underrated), and a healthy Bogut over him. Now, I understand that I shouldn't give Bogut the benefit of the doubt here, since he's never healthy, but considering I gave Lopez one in the first place (even though it was much less of a stretch), I'll give one to Bogut too.

Rank: 5th


So you could actually say with some confidence that everyone except Humphries in our starting lineup is top 8 at their position.

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Post#2 » by N Ireland Nets » Wed Oct 10, 2012 3:32 am

I think D Will is the best PG in the NBA & he will show it this season by actually trying and not just ticking over.

SG is the weakest position in the NBA. I have Johnson as the 4th best SG behind Wade, Kobe & Gordon. Manu is very good but is getting older and Harden has all the tools but its hard to judge him with the cast around him at OKC.

SF I have Wallace around 10-15 range. I think he's past it already and his athleticism seems to,have disappeared, which is very concerning because that was his entire game in the past, athletic energy.

PF I think Hump is an awful defender who would steal rebounds out of team mates hands in pursuit of personal stats. He caused so many turnovers fighting for a rebound with one of his own team mates. I think Hump is vastly overrated at large and I'd be 100% behind starting with Teletovic. Humps ideal roles is a first big off the bench type to bring energy and commitment to the team.

C, I honestly believe Lopez is the 2nd best Center in the NBA. Laugh all you want but watch how we'll Lopez will play this season without teams being able to double him anymore. He has been our only option for years and now he has a chance to shine. I fully expect very good rebounding numbers with a good blocks per game average. A huge year is in store for Lopez, I can see him being the East All Star starting Center. You can do it Lopez, time to bring the noise!!
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Post#3 » by PetroNet » Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:45 pm

Dwill - RANK - 1B

I'd put only a healthy derrick rose ahead of him. and as a "pure point" it take dwill over anyone. Chris Paul is good, but he is the leagues biggest flopper and i think that will hurt his game with the new rules. I also like dwill better down the stretch of games and in big games.

Joe Johnson - RANK - 5


Obviously Kobe and Wade are better. I'd also put Manu and Eric Gordan ahead of him, with those being a bit Closer. Harden -- I really dont get the hype on him. As a third option playing tons of minutes against teams second units he puts up ok stats while playing inconsistent defense. Johnson, while having to shoulder the burden of an offense scored more, rebounded more, assisted about the same. he didnt shoot quite as well, but again, he wasnt a #3 guy facing reserves for 15 minutes a night. Plus, playing with a real point gaurd, i think his game will explode.

Gerald Wallace - RANK - 9


Lebron, Durant, Iggy, Carmello, Deng, Gay are clearly better. Granger and Pierce as well. after that there are some guys as good or maybe better offensively but when factoring in his defense/hustle/leadership id have him in the 9 area,

Kris Humphries - RANK - 19


Hardest guy to rank. tough to gauge how empty his stats are or how much of his defense is attributed to the putrid perimeter and help defense he had around him. his rebounding and efficency are pretty good and he brings it every night. he is a likely double double guy still, or close. several guys ahead of him... i put him in that ilyasova/anderson range

Brook Lopez - RANK - 5

Assuming Bosh/KG are viewed as centers, id put lopez behind only those 2, D12, and bynum. foget this hibbert stuff, that guy is so overrated. I think bbrook bounces back and is in the 20/9/1.5/50/80 range
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Post#4 » by PetroNet » Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:48 pm

N Ireland Nets wrote:I think D Will is the best PG in the NBA & he will show it this season by actually trying and not just ticking over.

SG is the weakest position in the NBA. I have Johnson as the 4th best SG behind Wade, Kobe & Gordon. Manu is very good but is getting older and Harden has all the tools but its hard to judge him with the cast around him at OKC.

SF I have Wallace around 10-15 range. I think he's past it already and his athleticism seems to,have disappeared, which is very concerning because that was his entire game in the past, athletic energy.

PF I think Hump is an awful defender who would steal rebounds out of team mates hands in pursuit of personal stats. He caused so many turnovers fighting for a rebound with one of his own team mates. I think Hump is vastly overrated at large and I'd be 100% behind starting with Teletovic. Humps ideal roles is a first big off the bench type to bring energy and commitment to the team.

C, I honestly believe Lopez is the 2nd best Center in the NBA. Laugh all you want but watch how we'll Lopez will play this season without teams being able to double him anymore. He has been our only option for years and now he has a chance to shine. I fully expect very good rebounding numbers with a good blocks per game average. A huge year is in store for Lopez, I can see him being the East All Star starting Center. You can do it Lopez, time to bring the noise!!


i dont think lopez can start at center in the east... simply because KG will get the votes
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Post#5 » by JKiddy » Wed Oct 10, 2012 3:32 pm

I like this analysis so far.

I would say that Deron Williams right now is 1A or 1B. He and Chris Paul are so close. I feel like Deron is the better outside shooter, with a better post game, and causes more mismatches with smaller guards as he has the build of Jason Kidd.

Joe Johnson is the 4th best SG behind Kobe, Wade, and barely Ginobili. There aren't many SGs who can put up about 20/5/5. It might be 19/4.5/4.5 this year but that's still a very solid line all while playing solid D and running the floor. Harden is a solid player. But, I feel like he is right below Joe Johnson's level. In 3 years that might be different. But, at the moment JJ still has him.

Gerald is a tough call. He has lost some athleticism. But, he still has well above average athleticism and tenacity. He runs the floor well and plays defense exceptionally well. He can still put up 16ppg/7 rebounds/3 assists. That's a pretty solid line. He also brings intangibles to the Nets which are important. He will take charges, fight to rebounds, and put his body on the line at all costs. He's behind Durant, LeBron, Melo, Iggy, Gay, Pierce, and Granger to me. I think he's right where Deng is at the moment but barely beats him because he does a few more things better overall than Deng. Deng will outscore him (barely). But, Wallace will out rebound him while playing better defense. GW comes in at 8.

Hump is a very interesting case. There are only a few 4's who can consistently put up 10/10 or 11/11. He is one of them. I think with all the weapons the Nets have that Hump will not put up the same numbers he did last year (14/11). But, I think he will put up the numbers from the previous season all while playing a few less minutes (Mirza) and focusing more on team rebounds and defense (with Lopez back there). This will make him a more efficient player. He's a great player to have as the 5th option on your team. But, he's still behind Love, Griffin, KG, Dirk, LMA, Lee, Smith, Bosh, Pau, Millsap, Duncan, Scola, Boozer (pains me to say it), West, Favors, Randolph, Brand (barely), Nene, Young, Ilyasova, and Bass. He's number 22 but a very solid 22.

Brook Lopez has been a very polarizing character over the past year. He almost got traded for D12 a few times and only played a few games last season (dominating on offense but dipping in boards tremendously). The thing we have to realize is that Avery wanted him to run more often and he did not focus on his defense boards. But, he will have to hit the boards much harder this season. I think he will. We now have the athletes to run and board quickly. He's a great player and will have to improve defensively and on the boards all while playing inside and out on offense while limiting any injuries. If healthy he is the 3rd best C in the league and possibly 2nd. Dwight is #1. But, between Bynum and Lopez its super close. Right now he's #3. But, can move to #2 this season. Bogut is on his tail.
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Post#6 » by enetric » Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:17 pm

I have said it before and I will say it again. Deron is terrific. But Paul is not just better...he is MUCH better. And watching Deron up close now...its an even easier call for me to make. There is no 1B here. He is #2. I would rather have him over Westbrook or Rondo because as many things as those guys do at their position as point guards they make me nuts to watch just how much stupidity they dislay on a daily basis. Great overall players...just not guys I would want over Deron running my team. Rose? I find harder to gauge. Not sure how much is system how much is him. Add in the injury...I would prefer to deal with his place in a year a or two.

But Paul? That's easy for me. The guy is ridiculously good. The whole package. The only players in the NBA I would take over CP3 are Lebron and Durant.
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Post#7 » by PetroNet » Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:01 pm

enetric wrote:I have said it before and I will say it again. Deron is terrific. But Paul is not just better...he is MUCH better. And watching Deron up close now...its an even easier call for me to make. There is no 1B here. He is #2. I would rather have him over Westbrook or Rondo because as many things as those guys do at their position as point guards they make me nuts to watch just how much stupidity they dislay on a daily basis. Great overall players...just not guys I would want over Deron running my team. Rose? I find harder to gauge. Not sure how much is system how much is him. Add in the injury...I would prefer to deal with his place in a year a or two.

But Paul? That's easy for me. The guy is ridiculously good. The whole package. The only players in the NBA I would take over CP3 are Lebron and Durant.


pauls game is all flopping. on both ends. the new rules are going to kill his game. he was already a suspect defender who got away on gambling and playing dirty. and he is the last guy id want to lead my team
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Post#8 » by enetric » Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:29 pm

Well, I think that's a terrible analysis of who and what Chris Paul is. Hard to be among the best steals guys in the game from your back. Like Kidd he has a great knack for understanding how to play the passing lanes.
Paul's game is complete. To call him a suspect defender is laughable. Paul's biggest weakness isnt something he can change. Its his size. Maybe that's why you perceive him as flopping. Varejao is a flopper. Paul is not.

If he takes a hit and ends up on his back here and there drawing charges so be it. But he hardly relies on that instead of actually playing D. His speed, his adjustments, his help D...all excellent.

And offensively...the guy is the complete package. He can shoot, he can drive...and he runs an offense at an elite level. To say he is the last guy you want to run your team? Wow. Dont let your fan goggles blind you or anything.
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Post#9 » by PetroNet » Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:53 pm

enetric wrote:Well, I think that's a terrible analysis of who and what Chris Paul is. Hard to be among the best steals guys in the game from your back. Like Kidd he has a great knack for understanding how to play the passing lanes.
Paul's game is complete. To call him a suspect defender is laughable. Paul's biggest weakness isnt something he can change. Its his size. Maybe that's why you perceive him as flopping. Varejao is a flopper. Paul is not.

If he takes a hit and ends up on his back here and there drawing charges so be it. But he hardly relies on that instead of actually playing D. His speed, his adjustments, his help D...all excellent.

And offensively...the guy is the complete package. He can shoot, he can drive...and he runs an offense at an elite level. To say he is the last guy you want to run your team? Wow. Dont let your fan goggles blind you or anything.


not a flopper? he is the biggest flopper in the game. he didnt get the nickname CP360 for nothing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpuXoSdsy-I
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Post#10 » by NyCeEvO » Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:53 pm

When people talk about defense, it usually means different things to different people.

Yes, Paul is one of the best at playing the passing lane and therefore he is great at getting steals. He has deceptively quick hands.

Is he one of the best man-to-man defenders (meaning being able to shut down the guy he is matched up with and preventing him from scoring or play up to his normal capabilities)?

No.

But then again, how many PGs are actually great at doing that?

The average DRTG is worse for PGs than it is for every other position, but it's expected. The PGs main job is to setup their offense, not to shut down the opposing PG. And since PGs are the best at creating offense and the worst at really stopping their opponent defensively, it's pretty easy to see that there aren't many great man-to-man PGs (come on Ronito, bring out the Nash stats and back me up on this one lol).

Now, that that is out of the way, CP3 is definitely a flopper, but if you think that is game is going to take a serious hit due to the new flopping rules, that's simply not true.

While he does flop, his entire defensive game isn't predicated on it.

How many times do you think CP3 flopped last season? Even if you said a high number like 50, he still averages more spg than that flops per game number. Everyone remembers certain flops that he's done in the past since some have been really bad, but he doesn't do that all of the time or even every game. If he did, Stern would've thrown down the flopping rule mid-season haha.

Now, as far as his offensive package, he's got the best overall offensive package for PG. Ball distribution, scoring, and court awareness are areas where he really thrives.


And for those who put D-Will 1A or even 1B, you really need to be honest with yourselves. Last season, D-Will did not showcase himself as the best or even second best PG in the league.

He quit and pouted a lot. VC can write a dissertation on this lol!

Although, I will say this; if he can (and that's a big IF) actually turn himself back to his Utah days as he seems to suggest that he will do so, he will be the #1 PG in the league. CP3 used to be more dominant that Utah D-Will, but due to injuries, I think Utah D-Will is better than current CP3.

So we'll see what happens...
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Post#11 » by pikalou » Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:26 am

Chris Paul is by far the biggest flopper in the game. Not a single player in the NBA including PRIME MANU GINOBILI comes close.

Don't get me wrong he's a great yet often overrated player, but damn boy flops like a fish outta water.
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Post#12 » by enetric » Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:11 am

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enetric wrote:Well, I think that's a terrible analysis of who and what Chris Paul is. Hard to be among the best steals guys in the game from your back. Like Kidd he has a great knack for understanding how to play the passing lanes.
Paul's game is complete. To call him a suspect defender is laughable. Paul's biggest weakness isnt something he can change. Its his size. Maybe that's why you perceive him as flopping. Varejao is a flopper. Paul is not.

If he takes a hit and ends up on his back here and there drawing charges so be it. But he hardly relies on that instead of actually playing D. His speed, his adjustments, his help D...all excellent.

And offensively...the guy is the complete package. He can shoot, he can drive...and he runs an offense at an elite level. To say he is the last guy you want to run your team? Wow. Dont let your fan goggles blind you or anything.


not a flopper? he is the biggest flopper in the game. he didnt get the nickname CP360 for nothing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpuXoSdsy-I



My point wasnt that he never flops...my point was that your usual exaggeration nonsense evaluation of extremes was in full effect. You dismissed the best PG in the game...a top 5 NBA player minimum by any honest standard as nothing but a flopper? Your analysis of him was shameful. Dont ever use the word Hyperbole on this site again unless you are making it your next username.

The funny thing is...guys like you will praise a guy like Varejao who is NOTHING but a flopper. That and rebounding are literally all he does in the game. Paul is the complete package. Whether you resent him for when he takes a charge and draws a call for what you term flopping so what? If he creates turnovers I could care less how he does it. But the thing is...the guy does TONS more on top of that. There are stars in this league I wish would flop. Then at least they would be pretending to play any D whatsoever.

This guy is an above average defensive player. He is a very good help defender, He gets steals in the lane as well as picking guys pockets so that that stuff about him being a gambler...as if that is all he is on D? PLEASE! He compensates for his size and does it well. He is an above average rebounder, an elite offensive player and a superb play maker. The guy is a flat out stud.
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Post#13 » by therealbig3 » Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:20 am

I agree with enetric regarding Paul, even though he pisses me off too with his flopping.

Look, it is what it is, flopping has been a part of the game for the last few years, and it's not like Paul can't play without flopping, it's that he realized there are serious benefits to doing it. He'd be a fool not to take advantage of it, just like Ginobili did, Harden did, Wade did, Kobe did, Durant did, Billups did, etc. Again, I get pissed off by it, and I wish players didn't do it, but it's not like their production "doesn't count" because they flopped to get it.

Bottom line, every metric supports Paul as the #1 PG in the league today. It's hard to argue Deron as the best PG when literally every statistical argument favors Paul, sometimes by a huge amount.
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Post#14 » by enetric » Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:35 am

pikalou wrote:Chris Paul is by far the biggest flopper in the game. Not a single player in the NBA including PRIME MANU GINOBILI comes close.

Don't get me wrong he's a great yet often overrated player, but damn boy flops like a fish outta water.


More exaggeration as to the use of "BIGGEST flopper in the game"...but again I say...so what? Drawing a charge call successfully is a GOOD THING. And if he was doing it for the team you were rooting for you would be clapping instead of whining.

I wish Kidd had flopped more in his career. As great a help defender as he was he was never weaker than when he was forced to move backwards covering someone man to man with speed. A flop now and then wouldnt have been a bad thing. And Nash? Worst defensive player I have ever seen. Well, that's not really fair as that I have never seen him actually attempt to play D in any manner or form. That guy might as well sit on the court when the other team has the ball.

And by the way? In a conversation about PG's how can any Nets fan attempt to rip CP3 on defense? Whatever critiques you might have for HOW he does what he does...he blows Deron out of the water defensively. Deron is an average defensive player at best.
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Post#15 » by jeff1624 » Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:41 am

Paul IS the best PG in the game, without question... but his flopping IS disgusting and made me start disliking him as a player.

Deron is the 2nd best PG in the league.

Brook... I think he can be a top 5 center, but I feel more comfortable ranking him in the top 10 right now because of the missed year.

Wallace is a borderline top 10 SF. It's arguable at this point.

Humphries isn't even a top 20 PF.

Joe is a borderline top 5 SG. Below Wade and Kobe, right up there with Harden, Gordon and Manu.
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Post#16 » by enetric » Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:41 am

therealbig3 wrote:I agree with enetric regarding Paul, even though he pisses me off too with his flopping.

Look, it is what it is, flopping has been a part of the game for the last few years, and it's not like Paul can't play without flopping, it's that he realized there are serious benefits to doing it. He'd be a fool not to take advantage of it, just like Ginobili did, Harden did, Wade did, Kobe did, Durant did, Billups did, etc. Again, I get pissed off by it, and I wish players didn't do it, but it's not like their production "doesn't count" because they flopped to get it.

Bottom line, every metric supports Paul as the #1 PG in the league today. It's hard to argue Deron as the best PG when literally every statistical argument favors Paul, sometimes by a huge amount.



Flopping has been a big part of the game for at least the last 25 years. Many great defensive players have the flop as part of their man man repertoire...and many bad defensive players use it as well instead of playing D.

I understand fully being irked by it when it costs your team the ball. But if it works? Sorry...good play. And the thing about fans judging what is and is not a flop? Funny how we all call it charging when someone from our own team does it as we applaud yelling, "good call!"

For me personally. it bothers me most when big men use it instead of getting position or "keeping" position. Like Varejao does...or lets go back further...Vlade Divac was the worst! But a guy who is doing a good job on the ball...being a pest and forcing his man into him and drawing that charge? Good basketball. No problem with that if you can do it. Rodman was one of the best defenders ever...and he did it all the time.
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Post#17 » by enetric » Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:49 am

jeff1624 wrote:Paul IS the best PG in the game, without question... but his flopping IS disgusting and made me start disliking him as a player.

Deron is the 2nd best PG in the league.

Brook... I think he can be a top 5 center, but I feel more comfortable ranking him in the top 10 right now because of the missed year.

Wallace is a borderline top 10 SF. It's arguable at this point.

Humphries isn't even a top 20 PF.

Joe is a borderline top 5 SG. Below Wade and Kobe, right up there with Harden, Gordon and Manu.


See this is the difference between making a fair point and being an exaggeration fool machine. Its fine to say...so and so flops. And I dont like flopping. It bugs me to watch. Those are reasonable comments.

But when you take your likes and dislikes and apply them to how good a guy is? That's when it becomes a trash post.

Take note ladies and gentlemen. This is how you make quality contributions.

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Post#18 » by netscourtside » Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:23 pm

Either ways Nets are expected to be a good TEAM this year.
Personally think that defense is gonna dictate how far the Nets go...otherwise we will just end up being over run.

Compare Deron's rosters in Utah and the current Brooklyn Roster, you gotta think they will end up winning 50 games. This is what Utah did with Deron. East is easier.
06-07 51-31 .622 1st/Northwest -- 9-8 West Finals
07-08 54-28 .659 1st/Northwest -- 4-4 Second Round
08-09 48-34 .585 3rd/Northwest 6 1-4 First Round
09-10 53-29 .646 2nd/Northwest -- 4-6 Second Round

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Post#19 » by N Ireland Nets » Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:40 pm

For the record I believe D Will is the best PG in the NBA but last season was actually a disgrace when you look at it again.

To show just how good a player D Will is and also how much he tanked and didn't give a toss about New Jersey you just have to look at the handful of games where D Will actually tried.

You know when D Will is actually running hard, defending properly and looking to ball out because he has this insane bounce when he's on the dribble and just looks ridiculously dynamic. He had it away versus the Sixers when he took it to overtime and then killing then again in overtime, I still remember the play where he broke down the defender, sent him for a taxi and won us the game, he was balling out.

The other game where he really turned it on was against the Knicks in the garden. He was motivated due to the media hyping up Lin and being told how much better a pg Lin was. He had a point to prove and he went completely HAM. You could add the Charlotte 57 point game but that was against an awful team even though it was a special performance.

The one thing these games have in common are the fact D Will basically won these games solo due to having no quality team mates to play with. We all know D Will is a real PG that's meant to make everyone better around him by giving others open looks etc but we never saw it last season.

The way I see this season's D Will, I know he will be the old D Will we couldn't believe King traded for from Utah. A complete and utter baller who looked a stud in Utah with a good but nothing special, supporting cast.

This Brooklyn lineup is the best he has ever played with and I'm expected an absolutely huge season from D Will, watch him take off and be our real superstar and I can't wait.

On a side note, I believe both Williams and Lopez with have career years so long as they remain healthy for the duration of the season. D Will has legit ballets to feed for easy buckets while Lopez shouldn't see many if any double teams so points should come a lot easier to him while also getting him to focus on the boards and defence.

This year is going to be great to watch
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Re: Rank the Nets starting lineup by position 

Post#20 » by Ronito » Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:27 pm

NyCeEvO wrote:When people talk about defense, it usually means different things to different people.

Yes, Paul is one of the best at playing the passing lane and therefore he is great at getting steals. He has deceptively quick hands.

Is he one of the best man-to-man defenders (meaning being able to shut down the guy he is matched up with and preventing him from scoring or play up to his normal capabilities)?

No.

But then again, how many PGs are actually great at doing that?

The average DRTG is worse for PGs than it is for every other position, but it's expected. The PGs main job is to setup their offense, not to shut down the opposing PG. And since PGs are the best at creating offense and the worst at really stopping their opponent defensively, it's pretty easy to see that there aren't many great man-to-man PGs (come on Ronito, bring out the Nash stats and back me up on this one lol).

Now, that that is out of the way, CP3 is definitely a flopper, but if you think that is game is going to take a serious hit due to the new flopping rules, that's simply not true.

While he does flop, his entire defensive game isn't predicated on it.

How many times do you think CP3 flopped last season? Even if you said a high number like 50, he still averages more spg than that flops per game number. Everyone remembers certain flops that he's done in the past since some have been really bad, but he doesn't do that all of the time or even every game. If he did, Stern would've thrown down the flopping rule mid-season haha.

Now, as far as his offensive package, he's got the best overall offensive package for PG. Ball distribution, scoring, and court awareness are areas where he really thrives.


And for those who put D-Will 1A or even 1B, you really need to be honest with yourselves. Last season, D-Will did not showcase himself as the best or even second best PG in the league.

He quit and pouted a lot. VC can write a dissertation on this lol!

Although, I will say this; if he can (and that's a big IF) actually turn himself back to his Utah days as he seems to suggest that he will do so, he will be the #1 PG in the league. CP3 used to be more dominant that Utah D-Will, but due to injuries, I think Utah D-Will is better than current CP3.

So we'll see what happens...
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This is true. A point guard's defense really isn't that big of a deal whether it's atrocious or fantastic. The only exception would be if the point guard can guard SGs well.

While steals are great, people don't talk about all the times players that "play the passing lanes" get burned.
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