Game 6 PG: Blown Out At Home....We Suck...Season over

[Prokorov]

no dont say that about lopez. they double teamed him and didnt give him easy 1 on 1 open looks so its ok that he had no impact on the game. you cant expect a max player to beat double teams or impact the game outside of scoring.

Contracts that end in the summer of 2016:
Joe Johnson $24 million
Thad Young $9 million (assuming opt in)
Jarrett Jack $6 million

Plus it makes sense to stretch DWill then: $16 million in savings in the summer of 2016

That is $55 million coming off the cap

In the summer of 2016 Billy King's contract is also up. Prok committed to him for 1 more year and didn't make a long term commitment when he was over here the final week of the season.

People overstate how "cheap" current max contacts will look when the cap jumps. Brook will still be taking up 20% of the cap. If Deron was taking up 20% of the cap instead of 30% he'd still be the worst contract in the league. If Brook turns into a Deron type player on the court or can't stay on the court it really hurts this team committing to him for five years.

Give me one year of hell vs five years of purgatory. The one year of hell would also be the final nail in King's coffin. At that point hand the reigns over to Calipari and he can hopefully give us a product to be proud of. He wants to jump to the NBA, he wants a SVG/Doc Rivers coach/president of basketball operation role, he'll want a big market, and we can give him a ton of cap space. Not many other teams fit this bill.

That one year of hell could have severe ramifications.

It's funny how people forget a few summers ago where we went through a year of hell and no one worth a damn wanted to touch this franchise's money. I wish I had short memories like you guys otherwise I'd be so on board with what you're saying, but I've seen this story before and it was ugly until Utah's GM came calling to **** Billy King and this franchise up the ass.

Be very careful what you wish for. These trades that Prok speaks about that can happen with the capspace following a 15 win season might not end up how you'd think...as you can see by the endgame we're at now.

you keep mentioning no one took the nets money, like we were the only team that happened too.....you ignore the fact that no one took the bulls money that offseason either... and the bulls were a 1 seed with the league MVP in rose and also had joakim noah.

the top free agents allwent somwhere that could afford to bring all 3 of them together. they wanted to team up. it had nothing to do with who had a winner and who had an empty roster, etc. if it was about going to a winnner with talent someone would have gone to the bulls

giving max money and building the team around a guy who has proven not to be able to get you out of the first round in the east is more damaging then going with cap space and striking out. you get as many chances as you want with cap space, but sign the wrong guys to max deals and it could set you back 5 years.

[kerry kittles]

no dont say that about lopez. they double teamed him and didnt give him easy 1 on 1 open looks so its ok that he had no impact on the game. you cant expect a max player to beat double teams or impact the game outside of scoring.

Contracts that end in the summer of 2016:
Joe Johnson $24 million
Thad Young $9 million (assuming opt in)
Jarrett Jack $6 million

Plus it makes sense to stretch DWill then: $16 million in savings in the summer of 2016

That is $55 million coming off the cap

In the summer of 2016 Billy King's contract is also up. Prok committed to him for 1 more year and didn't make a long term commitment when he was over here the final week of the season.

People overstate how "cheap" current max contacts will look when the cap jumps. Brook will still be taking up 20% of the cap. If Deron was taking up 20% of the cap instead of 30% he'd still be the worst contract in the league. If Brook turns into a Deron type player on the court or can't stay on the court it really hurts this team committing to him for five years.

Give me one year of hell vs five years of purgatory. The one year of hell would also be the final nail in King's coffin. At that point hand the reigns over to Calipari and he can hopefully give us a product to be proud of. He wants to jump to the NBA, he wants a SVG/Doc Rivers coach/president of basketball operation role, he'll want a big market, and we can give him a ton of cap space. Not many other teams fit this bill.

That one year of hell could have severe ramifications.

It's funny how people forget a few summers ago where we went through a year of hell and no one worth a damn wanted to touch this franchise's money. I wish I had short memories like you guys otherwise I'd be so on board with what you're saying, but I've seen this story before and it was ugly until Utah's GM came calling to **** Billy King and this franchise up the ass.

Be very careful what you wish for. These trades that Prok speaks about that can happen with the capspace following a 15 win season might not end up how you'd think...as you can see by the endgame we're at now.

We were in New Jersey then, now we are in Brooklyn.

In this scenario, we are replacing Billy King - the worst GM in the league, with some with deep ties to this league. Calipari wants to come back to the league and I believe that is part of the reason he 100% backs every player's decision to jump ship early. Opposed to a guy like Boeheim who has a history of not backing players who leave early.

This is what Lebron said about him a month ago "What I admire is how he’s able to take — year after year — these high egos coming out of high school and turn them into a team. He makes them believe that … the team is more important than the individual, no matter who you are, no matter where you come from. In order for team success, everyone has to buy in. I love that about him … he gives them [the players] the rein if they play the right way … I respect that.”

Yes, Wade being in Miami was a big part of how the big 3 formed, but the real mastermind behind it was Pat Riley. If there's anyone other than Riley who can sell free agents on coming together in free agency it's Calipari. If Calipari calls they will listen. They're not going to say hey this team just fifteen games a year ago, that will be irrelevant.

Also, what happens if Lopez breaks his foot the first game of the year next season and then we have him on the books for 4 more years and $80 million? We still win 15 games and then have $20 million/year dead weight contract.

[Paradise]

giving max money and building the team around a guy who has proven not to be able to get you out of the first round in the east is more damaging then going with cap space and striking out. you get as many chances as you want with cap space, but sign the wrong guys to max deals and it could set you back 5 years.

If we strike out, we are looking at 2-3 straight trips to the lottery and giving it all to either Atlanta or Boston. Dallas struck out. Atlanta struct out. They had to rebuild on the fly because they had Horford and Dallas had Dirk. You act like we can afford to swing and miss. The value of any contract we hand out will be cheap and minimal value by 2017 when the cap will hit 100 million. Shedding it will not be a problem because most lottery teams rebuilding will need to eat large contracts.

Also, claiming Brook is proven not being able to get us out of the 1st round is completely ridiculous. Like, Deron and Joe being two complete disappointments in all three years had nothing to do with it.

Handing out Brook a max contract doesn't mean anyone is looking to build around him. It means he's a piece to a bigger puzzle and a 3rd option on a great team ala Kevin Love/Chris Bosh. The next step would be to add a PG or SG that isn't a complete embicle like Deron Williams.

[Prokorov]

If we strike out, we are looking at 2-3 straight trips to the lottery and giving it all to either Atlanta or Boston. Dallas struck out. Atlanta struct out. They had to rebuild on the fly because they had Horford and Dallas had Dirk. You act like we can afford to swing and miss. The value of any contract we hand out will be cheap and minimal value by 2017 when the cap will hit 100 million. Shedding it will not be a problem because most lottery teams rebuilding will need to eat large contracts.

it is such a knee jerk to say if we miss out in free agency that we will be a lotto team for years. that is just an idiotic statement that assumes we strike out 3 years in a row and 0 trades present themselves. complete nonsense. Also, all we have to do is sign 1 of the 4 centers and we are in as good or better shape then if we extend lopez. all 4 cetners wont sign with the same team. we will have shot at them for sure.

Also, claiming Brook is proven not being able to get us out of the 1st round is completely ridiculous. Like, Deron and Joe being two complete disappointments in all three years had nothing to do with it.

im really not sure what is riddiculous about stating the facts of what happened. you can bash joe, but the 1 year im brooklyn that lopez was out was the 1 year we made it out of the first round and joe had alot to do with that.

Joe and deron were not great in the bulls/hawks series', but lopez was pretty poor himself. whats the point of paying a center a max contract if he cant lead you out of the first round? what other max contract centers are getting bounced in the first round?

Handing out Brook a max contract doesn't mean anyone is looking to build around him. It means he's a piece to a bigger puzzle and a 3rd option on a great team ala Kevin Love/Chris Bosh. The next step would be to add a PG or SG that isn't a complete embicle like Deron Williams.

if you max someone and have no other max guys then you are building around him. you dont give max money to a role guy who is a piece of the puzzle. you are basically saying we dont need someone like dwight cause we have lopez.

if we max brook, we cant look at PG because there are no elite top 12 nba players available at PG. you give conley the max and you are looking at conley/rookie/bogs/free agent/lopez. thats like max second round exit instead of max first round exit. we got from a pathetic team hoping to make the playoffs to a pretender hoping not to get blown out in round 2

you dont give max money to a guy who cant be a top 2 option on a contender

[Paradise]

it is such a knee jerk to say if we miss out in free agency that we will be a lotto team for years. that is just an idiotic statement that assumes we strike out 3 years in a row and 0 trades present themselves. complete nonsense. Also, all we have to do is sign 1 of the 4 centers and we are in as good or better shape then if we extend lopez. all 4 cetners wont sign with the same team. we will have shot at them for sure.

What trades? Your idea requires no other players on the books and we have no picks to trade.

im really not sure what is riddiculous about stating the facts of what happened. you can bash joe, but the 1 year im brooklyn that lopez was out was the 1 year we made it out of the first round and joe had alot to do with that.

There is no 'fact' in any of that. It's pure conjure and more agenda driven bs.

Paul Pierce got us out of the 1st round. It's pretty obvious he was the one to wake Joe Johnson and Deron Williams up throughout the postseason. Yet, we choked a 14 point lead in Toronto and Pierce saved our ass with a block.

Where was Joe in 2012 against Chicago? Where was Joe against Atlanta? Do you want me to post their overall 'game to game' stats?

Joe and deron were not great in the bulls/hawks series', but lopez was pretty poor himself. whats the point of paying a center a max contract if he cant lead you out of the first round? what other max contract centers are getting bounced in the first round?

Lopez was poor against the Bulls? He averaged 22/7/3 throughout that series. If Joe was remotely good against Chicago, we win that series. If Deron was remotely good against Atlanta, we win that series.

Blaming Brook is why nobody takes you seriously. You can't admit when you are dead wrong on an issue. Time and time again.

if you max someone and have no other max guys then you are building around him. you dont give max money to a role guy who is a piece of the puzzle. you are basically saying we dont need someone like dwight cause we have lopez.

We don't need Howard who is not even close to his Orlando days and is incredibly dependent on Harden and will be 31.

dont give max money to a guy who cant be a top 2 option on a contender

Yet, you think Horford, Howard and god knows who else deserves that money?

I don't want to give Brook a 100 mill but I surely wouldn't give it to anyone else less talented and older.

[Prokorov]

What trades? Your idea requires no other players on the books and we have no picks to trade.

you can trade cap space. its actually quite valuable. you can get first rounders just for facilitating 3 way deals for instance

There is no 'fact' in any of that. It's pure conjure and more agenda driven bs.

brook lopez has not been able to lead a team out of the first round. that is as factual as it gets.

Paul Pierce got us out of the 1st round. It's pretty obvious he was the one to wake Joe Johnson and Deron Williams up throughout the postseason.

lol at minimizing what joe did vs toronto. he put us on his back

Lopez was poor against the Bulls? He averaged 22/7/3 throughout that series. If Joe was remotely good against Chicago, we win that series. If Deron was remotely good against Atlanta, we win that series.

he got sucked on defense, didnt rebound and got destroyed by noah in game 7

Blaming Brook is why nobody takes you seriously. You can't admit when you are dead wrong on an issue. Time and time again.

im not blaming brook. im including brook in the blame

you are the one arguing facts, not me.

We don't need Howard who is not even close to his Orlando days and is incredibly dependent on Harden and will be 31.

dwight is still dominant and a top 12 player. he was enormous in their first round series, as he was in the playoffs last year.

Yet, you think Horford, Howard and god knows who else deserves that money?

its not debateble that either deserve it

I don't want to give Brook a 100 mill but I surely wouldn't give it to anyone else less talented and older.

on what planet is brook a better player or more talented then dwight howard? the age is offset by brooks injury history

[Paradise]

you can trade cap space. its actually quite valuable. you can get first rounders just for facilitating 3 way deals for instance

When does that ever happen? That's not a plan. These are rare instances at best that require true luck. What team is going to send us valued draft picks in a summer where most of the league will have more cap space?

im not blaming brook. im including brook in the blame

you are the one arguing facts, not me.

You just said Brook can't lead us out of the 1st round which IS saying it's all on him.

dwight is still dominant and a top 12 player. he was enormous in their first round series, as he was in the playoffs last year.

Top 12? Come on now.