OK, Have to Ask - Nets or Knicks

[Prokorov]

It's not about what you think. It's about what's fact. He made us alot better in ways KG couldn't. It doesn't mean he's a damn all star. It means he's an impact role player. We do not make the postseason without him and we certainly don't take the top seed to 6 games without him either.

he was AWFUL in the atlanta series, and other then maybe dwill our worst player that series. he did not contribute positively to ius taking atlanta 6 games

Also, 33 to 24 games is not irrelevant. You folk over a Top 5 pick in your own division when your record is under 30 wins and effectively lose any chance of attracting a star here while greatly giving Boston a better opportunity. If we had an average to above average point guard we could definitely make the postseason again. That doesn't happen if we have some random scrub at PF.

so let me get this straight, we win 33 games and we are attracting stars, but we win 24 and we arent? after you already said earlier that 30 win teams wont attract a star? come on man. our only chance at getting stars is by convincing them to team up.

we DONT have an average PG, we have one of the worst starting PGs in basketball. and as ive said, if this was a playoff squad, id be 100% fine with keeping thad. but in a throw away seaosn where we will be bad either way, i dont see it.

as far as boston, i dont care about what pick they get. they are already better then us. we wont catch them by trying to make them worse. they have tons and tons of assets, young players, and cash regardless of where that pick ends up. only way we surpass them is by hitting homeruns in free agency

[Prokorov]

Here's the problem. you assume that we have a chance to land Durant and Lebron regardless of us being a lottery team. That in itself has been historically proven to be highly unlikely.

im fine with highly unlikely. if we were able to pull it off it would change the landscape of the NBA and make us an elite franchise for several years. for me, it is well worth not bringing back a role player in thad young in order to gaurantee having the space to offer them both the max.

It's not about Thad, or the extra max slot. You assume that we have a chance to pair up two of the world's top 3 players on a team that is lottery bound w/o a pick in next year's draft, while luring them away from winning situations that will only get better with the coming cap increases...

lebron left a team that had made 4 straight finals and won 2 straight titles to go to a lottery team and play with kevin love, someone nowhere near durants level.

what leads you to remotely believe that

a)they want to play together?

teaming up is their best chance to win

b)they would want to take the risk of playing for a team that is by far viewed to be in one of the worst possible situations basketball wise?

no team they go to together would be in one of the worst possible situations

c)would want to play with Lopez/Bojan/RHJ as opposed to Westbrook/Ibaka or Irving/Love?

durant is better then love/irving. lebron is better then westbrook/ibaka. they cant team up on cleveland or OKC. those teams dont have the capspace for both

d)would want to take less money to do so? OKC and CLE can pay them the most and also offer better situations

not better situations. lebron + durant is better then cleveland if lebron stayed or okc if durant stayed.

You can't call out Net Sentence and others for being homers and having higher hopes about this roster's playoff chances this season and in the same breath complain about retaining Thad because it ruins a .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance of convincing Lebron James and Kevin Durant to leave great basketball situations to come to a losing team. Thinking that the Nets are some kind of special destination because we'd have two max slots if we had let Thad walk is homering.

i never denied it was more then a 1% or less chance. my point is why throw away event that small chance for thad young. thad young is a nobody. you dont throw away even a small chance at something that huge for thad young

You have killed Brook on here (as have I, and for good reason), yet you think he's some kind of selling point as opposed to playing with an A Tier baller like Westbrook???

again, OKC cant afford lebron and durant. the draw here would be they could team up.

Lebron would want to skip out on being the league's highest paid player (we cannot offer that to him no matter how much you complain about Thad), playing with two A Tier ballers in Irving and Love to come to play with Brook and the possibility of Kevin Durant...thats as if Durant wants to play here, and with him in the first place? Your argument has been flawed from the start because both players would have to take less money to play here. The max slots are irrelevant because we cannot offer the money that OKC and CLE can.

again, okc and cle cant team them up. and the extra money isnt all that relevant in this era, where stars are opting for shorter contracts, so that last year and higher raise is less relevant and recent msot stars have chose 3-4 years deals anyhow. and if they want the money over winning, then its moot.

Please take a step back, look at what you've been arguing about...its honestly not even remotely in the depths of reality. And frankly, irrational.

irrational is thinking that thad young is worth throwing away a .000001% chance at durant/lebron.

i will never understand why anyone would think having thad young in a throw away season is so important that you would throw away cap money

[Paradise]

he was AWFUL in the atlanta series, and other then maybe dwill our worst player that series. he did not contribute positively to ius taking atlanta 6 games

So, Thad's 18/11 in Game 3 in a game we win didn't positively contribute to us taking them to 6 games? Lol. We were down 0-2 and it was a combo Bogs/Thad/Brook that carried us to a win in Game 3.

Who made the final game sealing shot in OT in Game 4? Thaddeus Young. You can give Deron and Brook credit for the heavy lifting in that game but it was Bogs and Young that made the final big shots to seal it. He finished the series with only two games of a negative plus minus.

You can continue to find ways to discredit him but he was a valuable piece. Yes, he regressed defensively but he was an impact on offense. An area we struggled with the most.

so let me get this straight, we win 33 games and we are attracting stars, but we win 24 and we arent? after you already said earlier that 30 win teams wont attract a star? come on man. our only chance at getting stars is by convincing them to team up.

If we get into the mid 30s of wins. That puts us in the playoff picture and we are playing competitive basketball. It doesn't mean we attract anybody but it does mean we aren't trying to lose either.

20-25 wins is a guaranteed lottery pick to Boston. Why would a free agent come here instead of Boston that would have a Top 5 pick, assets to trade for a star like Cousins and retaining their own homegrown talent, along with cap space? You can downplay the pick all you want but the Celtics and other teams can offer the same pitch you want to offer free agents.


Smart/Rozier
Bradley/Hunter
/Crowder
Johnson/Sullinger/Mickey
Zeller/Olynyk

Nets 2015 1st round pick, Dallas 2015 1st round pick and projected 68 million in cap room.

Now, let's say Thad was dumped for the extra cap room. What's our pitch compared to Boston?

Larkin
Bogdanovic
RHJ
McCullough
Lopez

2017 1st rounder via ATL, NYC lifestyle, endorsements and 56 million in cap room?

That's not going to turn heads compared to what Boston and maybe Toronto can offer. We have the third to fourth best pitch in the division. I think we will get a couple of really good players but not the grand slam that you want.

[Prokorov]

he was AWFUL in the atlanta series, and other then maybe dwill our worst player that series. he did not contribute positively to ius taking atlanta 6 games

So, Thad's 18/11 in Game 3 in a game we win didn't positively contribute to us taking them to 6 games? Lol. We were down 0-2 and it was a combo Bogs/Thad/Brook that carried us to a win in Game 3.

Who made the final game sealing shot in OT in Game 4? Thaddeus Young. You can give Deron and Brook credit for the heavy lifting in that game but it was Bogs and Young that made the final big shots to seal it. He finished the series with only two games of a negative plus minus.

You can continue to find ways to discredit him but he was a valuable piece. Yes, he regressed defensively but he was an impact on offense. An area we struggled with the most.

that young was terrible in that series and it is shameful or you to stand up for him.... especially when you criticized him yourself some in those game threads.

Thad hitting a game sealing thread in OT sounds nice in revisionsist history, but going back to the game we would have won comfortable and not needed OT if he wasnt so horrible in regulation.

18/11, another pretty stat line on paper, doesnt come close to telling the store about all his horrific shots, trunovers, and getting absolutely demolished defensively.

+/- is a team stat, what was his RPM those games?

If we get into the mid 30s of wins. That puts us in the playoff picture and we are playing competitive basketball. It doesn't mean we attract anybody but it does mean we aren't trying to lose either.

we arent trying to lose without thad either. thad is a role player. he isnt the difference between 9 wins and we stink with or without him.

Now, let's say Thad was dumped for the extra cap room. What's our pitch compared to Boston?

Larkin
Bogdanovic
RHJ
McCullough
Lopez

2017 1st rounder via ATL, NYC lifestyle, endorsements and 56 million in cap room?

That's not going to turn heads compared to what Boston and maybe Toronto can offer. We have the third to fourth best pitch in the division. I think we will get a couple of really good players but not the grand slam that you want.

our pitch has nothing to do with any of what you mentioned. our ONLY pitch is teaming up 2 superstars to play together. we cant do that after signing thad. that pitch goes away. so now, since we have thad, you are right. no one will come here because there are much better options then signing with a 33 win team with larkin, bogs, thad, rhj lopez. that team sucks, will be coming off a bad season having given a lotto pick to boston and not be able to sell 2 stars on teaming cause the max money for 2 guys isnt there.

EVERYTHING you just describe is what is going to happen WITH thad. you keep saying that will happen without thad, but it is the same situation, only worse, with thad.... because with thad we dont have that 1% chance where 2 stars decide to team up in brooklyn.

[jbeachboy]

does anyone see jarrett jack becoming unselfish team leader as pass first , defense oriented, and rebounding and everything he has never proven to be?

no, but i think he can be better then last year

you would hope so, do you think hollins wanted him to just score so much off the bench cause and not pass cause of the options he had on the bench,

if jack isnt willing to run the offense and pass, larkin or sloan/boatright will be running the point

[Universe]

lebron left a team that had made 4 straight finals and won 2 straight titles to go to a lottery team and play with kevin love, someone nowhere near durants level.

Just a lottery team? No other possible connections between LeBron James and the Cavs? None?

[SIC]

does anyone see jarrett jack becoming unselfish team leader as pass first , defense oriented, and rebounding and everything he has never proven to be?

no, but i think he can be better then last year

you would hope so, do you think hollins wanted him to just score so much off the bench cause and not pass cause of the options he had on the bench,

if jack isnt willing to run the offense and pass, larkin or sloan/boatright will be running the point

What would be Amazing (Doubt it happens) is Larkin in his third year improves as a PG and takes over the Starting PG spot. Sloan is a solid Back Up PG. Then RHJ really developing into a Point Forward. I am already picturing Brown, RHJ, McC and TRob fast breaks. THEN maybe a contending team is willing to send us a 1st rounder and a security PG for Jack at the trade deadline.

[jbeachboy]

quit the lebron and durant teaming up fantasy dream to join the nets, its not happening

[NYKAL]

Debating which team will be more mediocre...LMAO. Thanks, needed that.

that said, I'm repping both teams now so, hope both teams do better than expected.

[jbeachboy]

no, but i think he can be better then last year

you would hope so, do you think hollins wanted him to just score so much off the bench cause and not pass cause of the options he had on the bench,

if jack isnt willing to run the offense and pass, larkin or sloan/boatright will be running the point

What would be Amazing (Doubt it happens) is Larkin in his third year improves as a PG and takes over the Starting PG spot. Sloan is a solid Back Up PG. Then RHJ really developing into a Point Forward. I am already picturing Brown, RHJ, McC and TRob fast breaks. THEN maybe a contending team is willing to send us a 1st rounder and a security PG for Jack at the trade deadline.

larkins size and frame will probably keep him from being a starter in the nba if he cant take that next step, guy is just really small