Nets 2016-2017 Free Agency Thread

[Prokorov]

Unfortunately he couldn't just come to the Nets. He turned that option down. He needed to be traded to the Nets. Should I source what that means for you, too?

Exactly and if we had the lotto pick instead of throwing it away to rent a washed up role play for 3 months, we would have had enough assets to trade for him.

False statement #244.

right because its not like orlando ended up with a worse pick then the one we would have gave them right?

troll harder, you cant

[Universe]

again, im not sure why you always need to be such a troll and twist things when people counter your arguments.

While losing 70 games didnt get us john wall, it did get us favors.

and id much rather have favors, then say, trading that pick at the deadline for a 3 month rental of a role player who gets us to 18 wins instead of 12 and not having favors because of it.

Not sure how it's twisting your words. New Orleans won one less game than us. Washington won 20 more games than us. Pretty simple math.

the john wall year, we kept our pick, which proved valuable in being able to trade it for a then top 12 player in his prime. id say that was better then trading it to rent some 30 year old role player for 3 months.

the anthony davis year, if we dont have wallace, maybe we lose 1 more game. maybe we lose 5 more games. no one knows how it would have turned out. we do know that we would have had the pick to either trade for someone like harden or draft someone better/cheaper/younger then wallace.

there is simply no way to spin it where the wallace deal is anything but among the worst in league history

Amazing how you manage to spin things in your favor. Pun intended.

[Universe]

Exactly and if we had the lotto pick instead of throwing it away to rent a washed up role play for 3 months, we would have had enough assets to trade for him.

False statement #244.

right because its not like orlando ended up with a worse pick then the one we would have gave them right?

troll harder, you cant

How is it trolling? We offered them the pick and they said no thanks. Billy King even stated that Orlando would not budge no matter what he offered because they had no interest in trading Dwight in the East, yet everyone is stating how easy it would be to get him if we kept that pick.

I love dream world too. If we would have kept Jason Collins, we would have gotten LeBron.

[Prokorov]

Your opinion is your opinion. My opinion is that he played a vital role in helping us get to 49 wins. I witnessed it with my own eyes and that's why I believe that worst trade in the last 30 years is just another slandering effort at Billy King, which is cool too, because being negative about everything Nets related is the way to go.

Yes, wallace was so good we jumped through hoops to dump him 1 season after dealing a high lottery pick and investing 4/40 million into him. amazing player

"vital role" yeah he was so vital that the nets toyed with playing a 40 year old stackhouse and even giving bogans huge minutes cause wallace was such a liability... he was so :key" the teams first order of business was to trade him after that 49 win season.

dude, listen to yourself. you are talking about gerald wallace

8 points and 4 rebounds a game
39.7% from the field, 28.2% from three, 63.7% from the foul line
11.6 PER , 49 TS%

that is a HORRID season. please stop trying to sell some bull that he was "vital" to our 49 win season. he played about as poorly as a starer can possibly play. he raw numbers were terrible. he shooting percentages were terrible. he advanced metrics were terrible. his efficiency was terrible. he was a complete mess.

im not sure what your eyes told you, but if they said anything other then wallace was a trainwreck, then you need to consult an optometrist

[Prokorov]

Not sure how it's twisting your words. New Orleans won one less game than us. Washington won 20 more games than us. Pretty simple math.

the john wall year, we kept our pick, which proved valuable in being able to trade it for a then top 12 player in his prime. id say that was better then trading it to rent some 30 year old role player for 3 months.

the anthony davis year, if we dont have wallace, maybe we lose 1 more game. maybe we lose 5 more games. no one knows how it would have turned out. we do know that we would have had the pick to either trade for someone like harden or draft someone better/cheaper/younger then wallace.

there is simply no way to spin it where the wallace deal is anything but among the worst in league history

Amazing how you manage to spin things in your favor. Pun intended.

What spin exactly? what do you disagree with?

-was favors not a key part of aquiring williams?
-was williams not a top 12 player when we aquired him?

[Prokorov]

How is it trolling? We offered them the pick and they said no thanks. Billy King even stated that Orlando would not budge no matter what he offered because they had no interest in trading Dwight in the East, yet everyone is stating how easy it would be to get him if we kept that pick.

I love dream world too. If we would have kept Jason Collins, we would have gotten LeBron.

we never were able to offer them the pick, he had already traded it for wallace. im sure orlando would have considered moving him in the east if it meant a drastically better package and a top 6 pick.

or, you know, we could have just used it to trade for harden or used it to draft someone younger/better/cheaper then wallace.

or you know, if we wanted wallace we could have just waited 3 months and signed him without giving up a high lotto pick

but hey, lets continue to troll the board and pretend what is universal considered one of the 5 worst trades of all time was somehow jsutifiable

[Net Sentence]

again, im not sure why you always need to be such a troll and twist things when people counter your arguments.

While losing 70 games didnt get us john wall, it did get us favors.

and id much rather have favors, then say, trading that pick at the deadline for a 3 month rental of a role player who gets us to 18 wins instead of 12 and not having favors because of it.

Not sure how it's twisting your words. New Orleans won one less game than us. Washington won 20 more games than us. Pretty simple math.

the john wall year, we kept our pick, which proved valuable in being able to trade it for a then top 12 player in his prime. id say that was better then trading it to rent some 30 year old role player for 3 months.

the anthony davis year, if we dont have wallace, maybe we lose 1 more game. maybe we lose 5 more games. no one knows how it would have turned out. we do know that we would have had the pick to either trade for someone like harden or draft someone better/cheaper/younger then wallace.

there is simply no way to spin it where the wallace deal is anything but among the worst in league history

Nets had a WORST winning % after the trade so there is that. If the Nets never made the trade then they would have more then likely had a worse pick. Nets never gave up the chance to draft Davis since the pick was top 3 protected. Harden wasnt traded until after the draft which makes the pick less of an asset since the Rockets wouldnt have the flexibility to pick their guy. Keep living in the world of make believe where your maybe's (Lebron & Durant, getting Davis or Harden) seem like they were likely to happen if it werent for King.

This whole Wallace convo is BS. We traded for Wallace months before we traded for Johnson. Im with Universe on this situation. I dont see Wallace signing here as a free agent unless we got his bird rights. DWill backed King into a corner with his demands and Universe even provided the video stating such. For those too lazy to watch it just STFU then. Your opinions dont mean jack when DWill flat out states his thoughts. DWill wanted to play with vets so he could win now. At the time of the trade there was no JJ to keep DWill here so King had to get the best veteran available which was Wallace. King was also able to dump Shawne Williams which never gets mentioned. It's easy for you to sit on your couch and say that you dont think he would have left because of the money but that is the benefit of hindsight. At the time of the trade no one knew Dalls wasnt going to offer him the max. Their fan base was pushing hard for "3D" as they called it: Dirk, Dwight, Deron. King couldnt afford to leave it to chance with ownership mandating a winning team in the inaugural season in Brooklyn.

The trade was bad not because we gave up the draft pick but because Wallace took the money and ran much the same way Pierce and KG did by coming to the team out of shape. Nothing is worst then the lazy entitled veteran player who uses the regular season to get into shape. We have had too many of these fcking bums on the Nets lately. Mirza came in out of shape his first season. DWill has used multiple seasons to get himself into playing shape. AK took the summer off from basketball never to return to the court the same player. Blatche went alchy the season after he resurrected his career. And as I mentioned above KG, Pierce and Wallace.

We didnt give up our chance at Anthony Davis and we werent drafting Lillard. Drummond, Barnes and Beal were the only other good players in that draft. The rest are all busts so please spare me the lame "Zeller would have had a bigger impact then Wallace". For all of Wallace's faults he still played the most minutes outside of the Big 3 in our most productive season since we went to the finals.

[Prokorov]

Nets had a WORST winning % after the trade so there is that. If the Nets never made the trade then they would have more then likely had a worse pick. Nets never gave up the chance to draft Davis since the pick was top 3 protected. Harden wasnt traded until after the draft which makes the pick less of an asset since the Rockets wouldnt have the flexibility to pick their guy. Keep living in the world of make believe where your maybe's (Lebron & Durant, getting Davis or Harden) seem like they were likely to happen if it werent for King.

did the nets have a worse winning percentage because they had wallace or because lopez went down/deron got shut down? new orleans had ONE less win then us. if gerald wallace was worth even 1 win in the standings it could have meant anthony davis...

again, the proetection doesnt matter, cause if we kept the pick and didnt trade for wallace we could have tanked/lost more and ended up with a top 3 pick. but we didnt.

This whole Wallace convo is BS. We traded for Wallace months before we traded for Johnson. Im with Universe on this situation. I dont see Wallace signing here as a free agent unless we got his bird rights.

ummm who cares if he doesnt sign here?! i dont see signing a declining role player to an enormous contract being a good thing

DWill backed King into a corner with his demands and Universe even provided the video stating such. For those too lazy to watch it just STFU then. Your opinions dont mean jack when DWill flat out states his thoughts. DWill wanted to play with vets so he could win now. At the time of the trade there was no JJ to keep DWill here so King had to get the best veteran available which was Wallace. King was also able to dump Shawne Williams which never gets mentioned. It's easy for you to sit on your couch and say that you dont think he would have left because of the money but that is the benefit of hindsight. At the time of the trade no one knew Dalls wasnt going to offer him the max. Their fan base was pushing hard for "3D" as they called it: Dirk, Dwight, Deron. King couldnt afford to leave it to chance with ownership mandating a winning team in the inaugural season in Brooklyn.

no chance. even if you wanted wallace, dealing a high lotto pick for him was insane. we could and should have gotten him for much less if we were intent on trading for him

The trade was bad not because we gave up the draft pick but because Wallace took the money and ran much the same way Pierce and KG did by coming to the team out of shape. Nothing is worst then the lazy entitled veteran player who uses the regular season to get into shape. We have had too many of these fcking bums on the Nets lately. Mirza came in out of shape his first season. DWill has used multiple seasons to get himself into playing shape. AK took the summer off from basketball never to return to the court the same player. Blatche went alchy the season after he resurrected his career. And as I mentioned above KG, Pierce and Wallace.

the trade wasnt bad... it was terrible. bad is an understatement. it was arguably the worst trade in league history

We didnt give up our chance at Anthony Davis and we werent drafting Lillard. Drummond, Barnes and Beal were the only other good players in that draft. The rest are all busts so please spare me the lame "Zeller would have had a bigger impact then Wallace". For all of Wallace's faults he still played the most minutes outside of the Big 3 in our most productive season since we went to the finals.

what good is "playing the most minutes" when you are absolutely terrible in those minutes. it would have been better if he didnt play alot, since he sucked.

zellar would have been better, not to mention younger and cheaper. if all zellar did was prevent us from giving wallace 4/40, it would have been worth it.

[Prokorov]

i hate that we have all these ND posters over here now.... where we have to actualy debate about whether or not the gerald wallace trade was justified. like honestly homerism is out of control.

[Universe]

Your opinion is your opinion. My opinion is that he played a vital role in helping us get to 49 wins. I witnessed it with my own eyes and that's why I believe that worst trade in the last 30 years is just another slandering effort at Billy King, which is cool too, because being negative about everything Nets related is the way to go.

Yes, wallace was so good we jumped through hoops to dump him 1 season after dealing a high lottery pick and investing 4/40 million into him. amazing player

"vital role" yeah he was so vital that the nets toyed with playing a 40 year old stackhouse and even giving bogans huge minutes cause wallace was such a liability... he was so :key" the teams first order of business was to trade him after that 49 win season.

dude, listen to yourself. you are talking about gerald wallace

8 points and 4 rebounds a game
39.7% from the field, 28.2% from three, 63.7% from the foul line
11.6 PER , 49 TS%

that is a HORRID season. please stop trying to sell some bull that he was "vital" to our 49 win season. he played about as poorly as a starer can possibly play. he raw numbers were terrible. he shooting percentages were terrible. he advanced metrics were terrible. his efficiency was terrible. he was a complete mess.

im not sure what your eyes told you, but if they said anything other then wallace was a trainwreck, then you need to consult an optometrist

He was so terrible in those 30 minutes per game that if we had actually gotten value for our pick, we'd probably hit 60-65 wins.

[Universe]

the john wall year, we kept our pick, which proved valuable in being able to trade it for a then top 12 player in his prime. id say that was better then trading it to rent some 30 year old role player for 3 months.

the anthony davis year, if we dont have wallace, maybe we lose 1 more game. maybe we lose 5 more games. no one knows how it would have turned out. we do know that we would have had the pick to either trade for someone like harden or draft someone better/cheaper/younger then wallace.

there is simply no way to spin it where the wallace deal is anything but among the worst in league history

Amazing how you manage to spin things in your favor. Pun intended.

What spin exactly? what do you disagree with?

-was favors not a key part of aquiring williams?
-was williams not a top 12 player when we aquired him?

The Deron Williams comment is quite comical. You are complimenting Deron, yet slamming management for a trade that kept him in Brooklyn.

[Universe]

How is it trolling? We offered them the pick and they said no thanks. Billy King even stated that Orlando would not budge no matter what he offered because they had no interest in trading Dwight in the East, yet everyone is stating how easy it would be to get him if we kept that pick.

I love dream world too. If we would have kept Jason Collins, we would have gotten LeBron.

we never were able to offer them the pick, he had already traded it for wallace. im sure orlando would have considered moving him in the east if it meant a drastically better package and a top 6 pick.

or, you know, we could have just used it to trade for harden or used it to draft someone younger/better/cheaper then wallace.

or you know, if we wanted wallace we could have just waited 3 months and signed him without giving up a high lotto pick

but hey, lets continue to troll the board and pretend what is universal considered one of the 5 worst trades of all time was somehow jsutifiable

What do you think the 2012 pick we offered the Magic at the deadline was?

[Universe]

i hate that we have all these ND posters over here now.... where we have to actualy debate about whether or not the gerald wallace trade was justified. like honestly homerism is out of control.

You are surprised that posters on a basketball message board are debating a basketball topic?

Just cause you can't force your opinion on someone, doesn't mean the other person is a homer. I've provided valid arguments on the topic that people can choose to ignore and that's fine. I'd rather have people disagree with me then a flock of sheep following the Nets.

[shakendfries]

DWill backed King into a corner with his demands and Universe even provided the video stating such. For those too lazy to watch it just STFU then. Your opinions dont mean jack when DWill flat out states his thoughts. DWill wanted to play with vets so he could win now. At the time of the trade there was no JJ to keep DWill here so King had to get the best veteran available which was Wallace. King was also able to dump Shawne Williams which never gets mentioned. It's easy for you to sit on your couch and say that you dont think he would have left because of the money but that is the benefit of hindsight. At the time of the trade no one knew Dalls wasnt going to offer him the max. Their fan base was pushing hard for "3D" as they called it: Dirk, Dwight, Deron. King couldnt afford to leave it to chance with ownership mandating a winning team in the inaugural season in Brooklyn.

I believe that makes Billy King the only person DWill has successfully posted up over the past 3 seasons

It's the GM's job to make the decisions that will be best for the franchise. I'm quite sure DWill's pouting aggravated King's insecurity over failing to surround Iverson with adequate talent, but there is no debating that the Gerald Wallace deal was the worst. We traded a lottery pick which we could've used as leverage to get, at the very least, a player who could've put up average numbers at his position. Instead, we chose to get birds rights on a dude who stunk up and down the court as a Net. It doesn't matter who you blame, Billy King and anyone in upper management who co-signed this decision is responsible for this awfully shortsighted deal.

[Universe]

DWill backed King into a corner with his demands and Universe even provided the video stating such. For those too lazy to watch it just STFU then. Your opinions dont mean jack when DWill flat out states his thoughts. DWill wanted to play with vets so he could win now. At the time of the trade there was no JJ to keep DWill here so King had to get the best veteran available which was Wallace. King was also able to dump Shawne Williams which never gets mentioned. It's easy for you to sit on your couch and say that you dont think he would have left because of the money but that is the benefit of hindsight. At the time of the trade no one knew Dalls wasnt going to offer him the max. Their fan base was pushing hard for "3D" as they called it: Dirk, Dwight, Deron. King couldnt afford to leave it to chance with ownership mandating a winning team in the inaugural season in Brooklyn.

I believe that makes Billy King the only person DWill has successfully posted up over the past 3 seasons

It's the GM's job to make the decisions that will be best for the franchise. I'm quite sure DWill's pouting aggravated King's insecurity over failing to surround Iverson with adequate talent, but there is no debating that the Gerald Wallace deal was the worst. We traded a lottery pick which we could've used as leverage to get, at the very least, a player who could've put up average numbers at his position. Instead, we chose to get birds rights on a dude who stunk up and down the court as a Net. It doesn't matter who you blame, Billy King and anyone in upper management who co-signed this decision is responsible for this awfully shortsighted deal.

Going from a 22-44 season to a 49-33 season isn't best for a franchise trying to make its first impact in a large New York market?

[shakendfries]

DWill backed King into a corner with his demands and Universe even provided the video stating such. For those too lazy to watch it just STFU then. Your opinions dont mean jack when DWill flat out states his thoughts. DWill wanted to play with vets so he could win now. At the time of the trade there was no JJ to keep DWill here so King had to get the best veteran available which was Wallace. King was also able to dump Shawne Williams which never gets mentioned. It's easy for you to sit on your couch and say that you dont think he would have left because of the money but that is the benefit of hindsight. At the time of the trade no one knew Dalls wasnt going to offer him the max. Their fan base was pushing hard for "3D" as they called it: Dirk, Dwight, Deron. King couldnt afford to leave it to chance with ownership mandating a winning team in the inaugural season in Brooklyn.

I believe that makes Billy King the only person DWill has successfully posted up over the past 3 seasons

It's the GM's job to make the decisions that will be best for the franchise. I'm quite sure DWill's pouting aggravated King's insecurity over failing to surround Iverson with adequate talent, but there is no debating that the Gerald Wallace deal was the worst. We traded a lottery pick which we could've used as leverage to get, at the very least, a player who could've put up average numbers at his position. Instead, we chose to get birds rights on a dude who stunk up and down the court as a Net. It doesn't matter who you blame, Billy King and anyone in upper management who co-signed this decision is responsible for this awfully shortsighted deal.

Going from a 22-44 season to a 49-33 season isn't best for a franchise trying to make its first impact in a large New York market?

SON, OUR ALL-STAR PG GOT BALLED UP BY NATE ROBINSON! "Trying to make an impact" is the mentality that differentiates between teams that barely make the playoffs and the teams that actually contend. When Porkharov bought the team he said he was about winning chips, and I still believe that's the ultimate goal, but the Gerlad Wallace deal wasn't a championship move. Even if you do ascribe to this "make an impact" mentality, an average SF could've gotten us farther than Wallace. Remember Wallace's "tough" defensive assignment of Marco Belleneli? Because I remember Marco going off for 24pts in the Barclay's Center.

[Net Sentence]

i hate that we have all these ND posters over here now.... where we have to actualy debate about whether or not the gerald wallace trade was justified. like honestly homerism is out of control.

You seem like the type who wears his high school jacket 10 years after graduating. The Wallace trade was 4 seasons ago.

[Paradise]

DWill backed King into a corner with his demands and Universe even provided the video stating such. For those too lazy to watch it just STFU then. Your opinions dont mean jack when DWill flat out states his thoughts. DWill wanted to play with vets so he could win now. At the time of the trade there was no JJ to keep DWill here so King had to get the best veteran available which was Wallace. King was also able to dump Shawne Williams which never gets mentioned. It's easy for you to sit on your couch and say that you dont think he would have left because of the money but that is the benefit of hindsight. At the time of the trade no one knew Dalls wasnt going to offer him the max. Their fan base was pushing hard for "3D" as they called it: Dirk, Dwight, Deron. King couldnt afford to leave it to chance with ownership mandating a winning team in the inaugural season in Brooklyn.

I believe that makes Billy King the only person DWill has successfully posted up over the past 3 seasons

It's the GM's job to make the decisions that will be best for the franchise. I'm quite sure DWill's pouting aggravated King's insecurity over failing to surround Iverson with adequate talent, but there is no debating that the Gerald Wallace deal was the worst. We traded a lottery pick which we could've used as leverage to get, at the very least, a player who could've put up average numbers at his position. Instead, we chose to get birds rights on a dude who stunk up and down the court as a Net. It doesn't matter who you blame, Billy King and anyone in upper management who co-signed this decision is responsible for this awfully shortsighted deal.

Going from a 22-44 season to a 49-33 season isn't best for a franchise trying to make its first impact in a large New York market?

Dude, we lost in the first round and to a team missing half their roster not to mention a lower seed. What did we truly accomplish that season?

The intent and thought process behind the moves were met with good intentions but gambling on the long term future without a Plan B is not best for the franchise. Brook coming off a broken foot and Deron coming off a broken wrist wasn't enough of a scare to get Billy thinking a Plan B just in case both ended up being hurt over the course of their contracts.

Every smart franchise has draft picks in case they need to start over. King did not whatsoever think of the potential that everything didn't pan out and that is unacceptable. You can't blame it on Prok's 5 Year window because King was making outrageous deals in Philadelphia as well.

The Nets franchise reeks of Billy King and that is the main reason we see the media kick us into the "no future" and "turmoil" category. We're not horrible but we are mediocre and will not truly contend until King is gone.

[Universe]

I believe that makes Billy King the only person DWill has successfully posted up over the past 3 seasons

It's the GM's job to make the decisions that will be best for the franchise. I'm quite sure DWill's pouting aggravated King's insecurity over failing to surround Iverson with adequate talent, but there is no debating that the Gerald Wallace deal was the worst. We traded a lottery pick which we could've used as leverage to get, at the very least, a player who could've put up average numbers at his position. Instead, we chose to get birds rights on a dude who stunk up and down the court as a Net. It doesn't matter who you blame, Billy King and anyone in upper management who co-signed this decision is responsible for this awfully shortsighted deal.

Going from a 22-44 season to a 49-33 season isn't best for a franchise trying to make its first impact in a large New York market?

SON, OUR ALL-STAR PG GOT BALLED UP BY NATE ROBINSON! "Trying to make an impact" is the mentality that differentiates between teams that barely make the playoffs and the teams that actually contend. When Porkharov bought the team he said he was about winning chips, and I still believe that's the ultimate goal, but the Gerlad Wallace deal wasn't a championship move. Even if you do ascribe to this "make an impact" mentality, an average SF could've gotten us farther than Wallace. Remember Wallace's "tough" defensive assignment of Marco Belleneli? Because I remember Marco going off for 24pts in the Barclay's Center.

Never said it was a championship move. I've said all along it's a move to keep Deron and it did. The results of the moves ended up being the biggest turnaround in franchise history.

[Universe]

I believe that makes Billy King the only person DWill has successfully posted up over the past 3 seasons

It's the GM's job to make the decisions that will be best for the franchise. I'm quite sure DWill's pouting aggravated King's insecurity over failing to surround Iverson with adequate talent, but there is no debating that the Gerald Wallace deal was the worst. We traded a lottery pick which we could've used as leverage to get, at the very least, a player who could've put up average numbers at his position. Instead, we chose to get birds rights on a dude who stunk up and down the court as a Net. It doesn't matter who you blame, Billy King and anyone in upper management who co-signed this decision is responsible for this awfully shortsighted deal.

Going from a 22-44 season to a 49-33 season isn't best for a franchise trying to make its first impact in a large New York market?

The intent and thought process behind the moves were met with good intentions but gambling on the long term future without a Plan B is not best for the franchise. Brook coming off a broken foot and Deron coming off a broken wrist wasn't enough of a scare to get Billy thinking a Plan B just in case both ended up being hurt over the course of their contracts.

Every smart franchise has draft picks in case they need to start over. King did not whatsoever think of the potential that everything didn't pan out and that is unacceptable. You can't blame it on Prok's 5 Year window because King was making outrageous deals in Philadelphia as well.

Gerald Wallace was Plan B and it worked out pretty well.