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Post#21 » by cam24thomas » Thu Mar 30, 2023 6:34 pm

During the 16 game stretch where Vaughn let Cam Thomas play sometimes, Cam averaged 5.8 free-throw attempts per game in just 24.5 minutes.
Bridges is only averaging 6.7 free-throw attempts per game in 35.0 minutes.
And Cam averaged 20.0 points in those 24.5 minutes, while Bridges is only averaging 26.8 points in 35.0 minutes.
Give Cam Thomas 35.0 minutes per game, and no threat of being benched, and God knows what he'd score....
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Post#22 » by Eatgreenz » Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:14 pm

Cam still doesnt understand how use his scoring gravity to create scoring oppurtunties for his teammates, straight tunnel vision. Doesnt know how to score off the ball, defense is trash team and man. Playmaking extremely shaky .He still has a lot to work on.
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Post#23 » by ArksNetsSince99 » Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:03 pm

Eatgreenz wrote:Cam still doesnt understand how use his scoring gravity to create scoring oppurtunties for his teammates, straight tunnel vision. Doesnt know how to score off the ball, defense is trash team and man. Playmaking extremely shaky .He still has a lot to work on.


Vaughn singlehanded cockblocked Cams development, there was plenty of games where we been blown out early and if anything that was the time to give Cam green light

As of now he either collect DNPs or he’s given few minutes while he’s being asked to play opposite of his game

It’s not gonna work in Brooklyn for Cam T

But most of you guys is ready to give up on Cam Johnson as salary dump too , it’s incredible how this organization gives up on good players aka (Bruce Brown , CamJ , possibly CamT )

We become a Knicks ( the old Knicks , current are better than us already )
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Re: Cam Thomas has "team option" on his contract for 23-24 and 24-25, and Vaughn doesn't want him, so.... 

Post#24 » by gigantes » Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:08 pm

ben10simmons wrote:
gigantes wrote:What can he likely improve on, going forward..?

He doesn't need to improve, he's already .462 field, .413 threes, when given 24.5 minutes per game....

Any competent coaching staff would let him know what kinds of things he could work on.

He's a super-gifted scorer IMO, but the more one-dimensional you are at this level, the better other teams are at finding ways to nullify your main skill.

The lack of court time in situations like these usually comes down to the player.
And TBH from what I've seen, his attitude hasn't been great, either. To me he's seemed a bit more 'hungry-entitled' rather than 'hungry-hungry.'
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Post#25 » by ArksNetsSince99 » Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:16 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Cam is a one dimensional player that needs heavy volume to be effective. There's a reason why he doesn't play, but he's still a good asset that can be paired with other salary.


Answer yourself I quote " there’s a reason why he doesn’t play ,BUT he’s still a GOOD ASSET "

It’s not like we are contenders, or close to contending next season , why in a world CamT is good asset for others while he is S#it for us ?

Because other teams have the personnel to try and work with young players with potential and we don’t?
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Post#26 » by cam24thomas » Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:21 pm

gigantes wrote:
ben10simmons wrote:
gigantes wrote:What can he likely improve on, going forward..?

He doesn't need to improve, he's already .462 field, .413 threes, when given 24.5 minutes per game....

Any competent coaching staff would let him know what kinds of things he could work on.

He's a super-gifted scorer IMO, but the more one-dimensional you are at this level, the better other teams are at finding ways to nullify your main skill.

The lack of court time in situations like these usually comes down to the player.
And TBH from what I've seen, his attitude hasn't been great, either. To me he's seemed a bit more 'hungry-entitled' rather than 'hungry-hungry.'

Its impossible to stop Cam Thomas, because his step-back 3-pointer is more athletic than James Harden's.
Plus if Vaughn understood basketball he'd actually put Cam Thomas on the court until the defense figure out a way to stop him (which again, they won't).
Anyway, the way the Nets are underachieving, Vaughn won't be around for much longer hopefully.
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Post#27 » by ArksNetsSince99 » Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:22 pm

gigantes wrote:
ben10simmons wrote:
gigantes wrote:What can he likely improve on, going forward..?

He doesn't need to improve, he's already .462 field, .413 threes, when given 24.5 minutes per game....

Any competent coaching staff would let him know what kinds of things he could work on.

He's a super-gifted scorer IMO, but the more one-dimensional you are at this level, the better other teams are at finding ways to nullify your main skill.

The lack of court time in situations like these usually comes down to the player.
And TBH from what I've seen, his attitude hasn't been great, either. To me he's seemed a bit more 'hungry-entitled' rather than 'hungry-hungry.'


We don’t have competent coaching staff, front office or the owner

We need last minute miracles to beat Tanking Rockets at home
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Post#28 » by gigantes » Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:23 pm

ArksNetsSince99 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Cam is a one dimensional player that needs heavy volume to be effective. There's a reason why he doesn't play, but he's still a good asset that can be paired with other salary.

Answer yourself I quote " there’s a reason why he doesn’t play ,BUT he’s still a GOOD ASSET "

It’s not like we are contenders, or close to contending next season , why in a world CamT is good asset for others while he is S#it for us ?

Because other teams have the personnel to try and work with young players with potential and we don’t?

No, because these last few games are like a training camp to integrate the new players with the existing team, in order to see what this group is capable of, in order to make the smartest moves in the offseason.

All of that is 100% more important than having a one-dimensional scorer get his.
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Post#30 » by ArksNetsSince99 » Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:30 pm

gigantes wrote:
ArksNetsSince99 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Cam is a one dimensional player that needs heavy volume to be effective. There's a reason why he doesn't play, but he's still a good asset that can be paired with other salary.

Answer yourself I quote " there’s a reason why he doesn’t play ,BUT he’s still a GOOD ASSET "

It’s not like we are contenders, or close to contending next season , why in a world CamT is good asset for others while he is S#it for us ?

Because other teams have the personnel to try and work with young players with potential and we don’t?

No, because these last few games are like a training camp to integrate the new players with the existing team, in order to see what this group is capable of, in order to make the smartest moves in the offseason.

All of that is 100% more important than having a one-dimensional scorer get his.


Or maybe Vaughn Marks and co is trying to hold their jobs for dear life ?
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Post#31 » by gigantes » Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:34 pm

ben10simmons wrote:Its impossible to stop Cam Thomas, because his step-back 3-pointer is more athletic than James Harden's.
Plus if Vaughn understood basketball he'd actually put Cam Thomas on the court until the defense figure out a way to stop him (which again, they won't).
Anyway, the way the Nets are underachieving, Vaughn won't be around for much longer hopefully.

I for one salute your vivid imagination, and hope it serves you well in life.

ben10simmons wrote:Should have hired Udoka....

The Nets tried, remember?
The league shut it down.

ArksNetsSince99 wrote:Or maybe Vaughn Marks and co is trying to hold their jobs for dear life ?

Well, if doing the right thing is the same as that, then todo bueno, muchacho. ^^
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Post#32 » by vincecarter4pres » Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:42 pm

ben10simmons wrote:This is such a waste of a career.... he'd average 25ppg-30ppg if he started, but instead he's getting DNPs.

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Post#33 » by GTR11 » Fri Mar 31, 2023 7:51 am

Eatgreenz wrote:Cam still doesnt understand how use his scoring gravity to create scoring oppurtunties for his teammates, straight tunnel vision. Doesnt know how to score off the ball, defense is trash team and man. Playmaking extremely shaky .He still has a lot to work on.

Now name me a player on this roster who does anything you said better. Dinwiddie? He get crucified here for exactly same reasons. Curry? Patty? CamJ? Who...

Ben10simmons has a point. The strength of this team is depth, it's clear as day now. Yet this dumb as trying to figure 8 man rotation. We won once Yuta, Sumner and Cam started to get any light.

Only explanation to JV promotion, is that he is a bridge coach for cheap till Marks work his plan. Not hiring Borega who took lottery team to PO is asinine. Look at how that trash looks without him.
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Post#34 » by GTR11 » Fri Mar 31, 2023 8:05 am

gigantes wrote:
ben10simmons wrote:
gigantes wrote:What can he likely improve on, going forward..?

He doesn't need to improve, he's already .462 field, .413 threes, when given 24.5 minutes per game....

Any competent coaching staff would let him know what kinds of things he could work on.

He's a super-gifted scorer IMO, but the more one-dimensional you are at this level, the better other teams are at finding ways to nullify your main skill.

The lack of court time in situations like these usually comes down to the player.
And TBH from what I've seen, his attitude hasn't been great, either. To me he's seemed a bit more 'hungry-entitled' rather than 'hungry-hungry.'

1- JV been here since the day Cam was drafted. Wasn't he dropping 40pts just few weeks ago? What happened.
2- There is a very thin line between hungry/hungry and hungry/entitled. Player like CamT needs a longer leash to exel as a player. Kenny did same with D.LO, Caris and Din, Sweet Lue needed longer leash too, Clarkson etc etc. These type of players take time to develop, and only way to see improvement is by playing them. There's no reason not to play CamT with 2nd unit right now, absolutely none. Simply because we lack scoring outside of 3pt shooting.
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Post#35 » by cam24thomas » Fri Mar 31, 2023 8:41 am

The bottom line is, Vaughn is not mature enough to be a head coach.
His interviews and thoughts are manic and incoherent, and his lack of appreciation for the youngest player ever to score 3 consecutive 40-pointers, is criminal.
Especially since Cam has shot consistently well since the 40-pointers, despite Vaughn's bizarre minutes distribution, and also Cam's turnover rate has always been low despite being so young.
Plus I think Brooklyn are underachieving since KD and Kyrie's removal, plenty of talent, and a horrible record since the trades despite having the 3rd easiest schedule in the NBA post-all-star-break.
And since the Nets front office are sticking with Vaughn long-term, there is no reason to keep Cam Thomas imprisoned.
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Post#36 » by GTR11 » Fri Mar 31, 2023 9:09 am

ben10simmons wrote:The bottom line is, Vaughn is not mature enough to be a head coach.
His interviews and thoughts are manic and incoherent, and his lack of appreciation for the youngest player ever to score 3 consecutive 40-pointers, is criminal.
Especially since Cam has shot consistently well since the 40-pointers, despite Vaughn's bizarre minutes distribution, and also Cam's turnover rate has always been low despite being so young.
Plus I think Brooklyn are underachieving since KD and Kyrie's removal, plenty of talent, and a horrible record since the trades despite having the 3rd easiest schedule in the NBA post-all-star-break.
And since the Nets front office are sticking with Vaughn long-term, there is no reason to keep Cam Thomas imprisoned.

There is a good chance Joe, CamJ, CamT and Sharpe along with a pick will be moved come draft night. Drop in talent after first two picks not significant according to every single talking head. 3-14 picks can be shuffled around and teams like Mavs and Wizzards be looking for a established players more than another project mid lottery pick.
MJ selling, let's see what they will do in Charlotte.
Tragic got their core set as well. It's more about additional established role players for them now. PG/SG who can score and play off ball. Maybe we can send Din there along with picks.

Just few thoughts where CamT might be headed.
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Post#37 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:45 am

I think that Cam should be playing, yes, but Cam is a tunnel vision scorer that freezes everyone out of the offense when he plays and he's a huge negative defensively. We saw Cam drop 40 point games that resulted in losses.

This isn't some conspiracy here as to why he doesn't get regular minutes. Yes, he should be playing, but to act like Cam is some all star player being wronged is a hard sell, and I'm not taking the ball out of Bridges' hands for Cam. Bridges scores highly efficiently without needing to freeze everyone else out and he play defense.

Frankly, Cam needs to improve as a player. You guys are sitting here acting like he's a finished product. He's not. He needs to mature, learn to pick his spots better and work on being a better catch and shoot player.
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Post#38 » by 3pt_chucker » Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:45 pm

Ngl, pinning those losses on Cam when he scored 40+pts is nasty work and agenda driven. Where's the same energy for Bridges when he scores 35+ in an L?

Also we keep harping on Cam's flaws as if he's a 10yr vet. Young players need time on the floor to give them a chance properly develop their game. Benching Cam is not going to magically make him better or learn how to properly navigate playmaking and scoring. Jordan Poole for example got tons of mins with the Warriors, which allowed him to work on his playmaking. Heck he is still learning that balance and yet we expect Cam to suddenly go on the floor and be an elite playmaker.

Cam is not a good fit for this coaching staff or organization. He needs to go to a team that actually wants to develop talent even if it means losing some games. The Nets are clearly prioritizing vets(2nd contract and beyond) over young players, which is totally fine but it makes no sense to not flip the young players for more seasoned players.
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Post#39 » by gigantes » Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:00 pm

GTR11 wrote:There's no reason not to play CamT with 2nd unit right now, absolutely none. Simply because we lack scoring outside of 3pt shooting.

Sure there is.

If Jacques & the staff are asking CamT to work on this or that, and he's pouting or insisting that he's 'ready to play now,' then the problem is with Cam. We've seen this countless times before with young players-- some of them are willing to work with the coaches, and some prefer being righteous.

JV has always been a hard-working, player-enabling coach, so I don't buy that he's sitting Cam out of pure negligence or vet-worship. But pretty much any good coach is going to insist that you work within their system or ride the pine. That's just normal.
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Post#40 » by TheNetsFan » Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:20 pm

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GTR11 wrote:There's no reason not to play CamT with 2nd unit right now, absolutely none. Simply because we lack scoring outside of 3pt shooting.

Sure there is.

If Jacques & the staff are asking CamT to work on this or that, and he's pouting or insisting that he's 'ready to play now,' then the problem is with Cam. We've seen this countless times before with young players-- some of them are willing to work with the coaches, and some prefer being righteous.

JV has always been a hard-working, player-enabling coach, so I don't buy that he's sitting Cam out of pure negligence or vet-worship. But pretty much any good coach is going to insist that you work within their system or ride the pine. That's just normal.

There's also only 6 games left in the regular season. The development ship has sailed. It's time to streamline the rotation and figure out how to steal some playoff games.

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