PG: Dick wasn't enough for the Raptors, Knicks win with a Precious facial to top it off!

[Clyde_Style]

CB wriggling out of his RJ assessment.

What big things did IQ accomplish

He would roast me for being high on Deuce too... The tables have turned!

If it was legal and no other *big deals* were available this summer would you trade Deuce and Bogs for IQ?

I prefer Deuce to IQ, especially because he is already so damn reliable. He's a bucket on one end and a disruptor on the other.

And my gut says Deuce will be clutch in ways IQ will not be. Deuce is steady under pressure which can result in him becoming a big time marquee player if he sustains his current production. His numbers right now are exceptional. We'll need a full season to know fully how far he can take this, but I see no reason to doubt him.

[Deeeez Knicks]

CB wriggling out of his RJ assessment.

What big things did IQ accomplish

He would roast me for being high on Deuce too... The tables have turned!

If it was legal and no other *big deals* were available this summer would you trade Deuce and Bogs for IQ?

IQ is going to need a big contract and Deuce is on a cheap deal so it's an easy call to keep Deuce

[stuporman]

Guano posting his side piece in here... I'll allow it.

[Guano]

Guano posting his side piece in here... I'll allow it.

I stay away from trustafarians

[Capn'O]

Guano posting his side piece in here... I'll allow it.

I stay away from trustafarians

That chic probably has "bad news" tattooed somewhere.

I'd probably still be like "I dunno. I didn't see the signs."

[HarthorneWingo]

Guano posting his side piece in here... I'll allow it.

I stay away from trustafarians

That chic probably has "bad news" tattooed somewhere.

I'd probably still be like "I dunno. I didn't see the signs."

I wouldn’t think twice about banging that “chick.” I didn’t know that it was acceptable to call hot-looking women “chicks” here. Is “broads” acceptable as well?

[Guano]

Guano posting his side piece in here... I'll allow it.

I stay away from trustafarians

That chic probably has "bad news" tattooed somewhere.

I'd probably still be like "I dunno. I didn't see the signs."

I couldn't make it pass the patchouli.

[Clyde_Style]

Guano posting his side piece in here... I'll allow it.

I stay away from trustafarians

That chic probably has "bad news" tattooed somewhere.

I'd probably still be like "I dunno. I didn't see the signs."

Ha ha ha, that's like saying I live in Portland and I still don't get what Portlandia was all about

[god shammgod]

OG & Ju are just making sure they're ready for that Chicago trip...please...

doesn't seem likely. at least in randle's case. he has to first be able to take full contact, then practice probably at least twice and see how those things go. that's a week away minimum if he started taking contact today.

[Chanel Bomber]

Some players simply can't be developed into good players.

Cam Reddish or Obi Toppin had issues of their own that no amount of coaching could fix.

Just like Spo couldn't turn Beasley and Kerr couldn't turn Wiseman into reliable rotation players. They're two of the great coaches of the modern era.

The only young player whose development I criticized was - ironically - RJ's. I don't think Thibs managed his development well at all.

He was much more patient with the likes of IQ and McBride and it paid huge dividends. Mitch also reached another level as a defender under Thibs.

But of course Thibs is merely a mediocre mind and the game of basketball would be blessed to have some Realgm posters coach the game and take it to another level. Everybody's stupid but them. They have it all figured out.

The thing that stunted RJ was less about coaching and more about teammates. RJ can’t be the focus with Brunson and Randle being better players, plus RJ plays better on an offense without legit centers in the paint.

If Randle was injured before the trade maybe RJ would have increased his value a bit.

CB wriggling out of his RJ assessment.

What big things did IQ accomplish

We're talking about player development, aren't we.

IQ finished second in 6MOY voting in his 3rd season and scored high every year in impact metrics. It's a positive development arc, no matter how much energy you want to spend diminishing him.

[Chanel Bomber]

The thing that stunted RJ was less about coaching and more about teammates. RJ can’t be the focus with Brunson and Randle being better players, plus RJ plays better on an offense without legit centers in the paint.

If Randle was injured before the trade maybe RJ would have increased his value a bit.

CB wriggling out of his RJ assessment.

What big things did IQ accomplish

He would roast me for being high on Deuce too... The tables have turned!

Deuce has shattered my expectations but my point was moreso about being patient. There was no reason to be up in arms about his PT when he clearly wasn't ready to handle big minutes.

They went to the lab and worked on his game and he gradually got acclimated to the league. Now he's deservedly earned his spot in the rotation.

Players aren't always ready from day 1. Sometimes it takes time and we have to accept that lack of PT doesn't necessarily equate lack of player development.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I stay away from trustafarians

That chic probably has "bad news" tattooed somewhere.

I'd probably still be like "I dunno. I didn't see the signs."

I wouldn’t think twice about banging that “chick.” I didn’t know that it was acceptable to call hot-looking women “chicks” here. Is “broads” acceptable as well?

Yes

[3toheadmelo]

CB wriggling out of his RJ assessment.

What big things did IQ accomplish

He would roast me for being high on Deuce too... The tables have turned!

Deuce has shattered my expectations but my point was moreso about being patient. There was no reason to be up in arms about his PT when he clearly wasn't ready to handle big minutes.

They went to the lab and worked on his game and he gradually got acclimated to the league. Now he's deservedly earned his spot in the rotation.

Players aren't always ready from day 1. Sometimes it takes time and we have to accept that lack of PT doesn't necessarily equate lack of player development.

Yeah deuce was deuce mcbrick for a while. Good thing Thibs brought him along slowly. Thibs is awesome

[thebuzzardman]

It felt like the Raptors were measuring their Dick last night, and although Dick was massive in the beginning, it felt like playing Raptors were playing with Dick alone and they were left unsatisfied in the end.

Honestly, if the Raptors had two or three more Dicks, maybe they coulda kept things close.

That would give TO a multi-donged offense

fixed

[nykballa2k4]

He would roast me for being high on Deuce too... The tables have turned!

If it was legal and no other *big deals* were available this summer would you trade Deuce and Bogs for IQ?

I prefer Deuce to IQ, especially because he is already so damn reliable. He's a bucket on one end and a disruptor on the other.

And my gut says Deuce will be clutch in ways IQ will not be. Deuce is steady under pressure which can result in him becoming a big time marquee player if he sustains his current production. His numbers right now are exceptional. We'll need a full season to know fully how far he can take this, but I see no reason to doubt him.

Love both guys, but I feel Deuce is a good role player whereas IQ is that star 6th man. IQ can create offense in ways Deuce has yet to. Deuce is very well able to make the open shot generated by teammates, but IQ is able to be the guy that MAKES Deuce be open.

[KnicksGod]

The thing that stunted RJ was less about coaching and more about teammates. RJ can’t be the focus with Brunson and Randle being better players, plus RJ plays better on an offense without legit centers in the paint.

If Randle was injured before the trade maybe RJ would have increased his value a bit.

CB wriggling out of his RJ assessment.

What big things did IQ accomplish

We're talking about player development, aren't we.

IQ finished second in 6MOY voting in his 3rd season and scored high every year in impact metrics. It's a positive development arc, no matter how much energy you want to spend diminishing him.

Yeah he developed and he’s good. But you keep making like he’s some surefire stud. We’ve already gone over this issue — positive development is one thing, impacting winning I don’t think I agree on how you’re defining that.

You can’t just say that and leave it at that without more.

Anyway positive development and impacting winning are great but you also make like criticizing IQ is always a personal attack on him lol, and maybe most crucially those metrics don’t mean a guy is worth $25M as a starting PG.

If it all leads to that, then maybe the development actually cost you a mistake (in paying and playing him big) because he has a good stat profile.

And you can’t go from thinking IQ was close to making it a wrap on his greatness to then rolling that back to well he was at least a guy who developed.

I am throwing a lot at you but I don’t think he looks that good in Toronto either. In fact I think they’re making a mistake.

[Chanel Bomber]

CB wriggling out of his RJ assessment.

What big things did IQ accomplish

We're talking about player development, aren't we.

IQ finished second in 6MOY voting in his 3rd season and scored high every year in impact metrics. It's a positive development arc, no matter how much energy you want to spend diminishing him.

Yeah he developed and he’s good. But you keep making like he’s some surefire stud. We’ve already gone over this issue — positive development is one thing, impacting winning I don’t think I agree on how you’re defining that.

You can’t just say that and leave it at that without more.

Anyway positive development and impacting winning are great but you also make like criticizing IQ is always a personal attack on him lol, and maybe most crucially those metrics don’t mean a guy is worth $25M as a starting PG.

If it all leads to that, then maybe the development actually cost you a mistake (in paying and playing him big) because he has a good stat profile.

And you can’t go from thinking IQ was close to making it a wrap on his greatness to then rolling that back to well he was at least a guy who developed.

I am throwing a lot at you but I don’t think he looks that good in Toronto either. In fact I think they’re making a mistake.

I don't know, you're the one who seems to instigate that conversation.

IQ played well for us (which is corroborated by most impact metrics) and he improved from year 1 to year 4. He was in the running for winning an end-of-season award as a third-year player, and deservedly so.

I'm not interested in any discussion about his long-term future here. Or whatever you say my opinion on the matter is or isn't.

The topic was player development under Thibs and the reality is that his development here was a success story. Was it all Thibs, or all IQ, or a combination of both, I don't know. But he developed into a good player under Thibs's tutelage and that was the only point I was making.

[KnicksGod]

We're talking about player development, aren't we.

IQ finished second in 6MOY voting in his 3rd season and scored high every year in impact metrics. It's a positive development arc, no matter how much energy you want to spend diminishing him.

Yeah he developed and he’s good. But you keep making like he’s some surefire stud. We’ve already gone over this issue — positive development is one thing, impacting winning I don’t think I agree on how you’re defining that.

You can’t just say that and leave it at that without more.

Anyway positive development and impacting winning are great but you also make like criticizing IQ is always a personal attack on him lol, and maybe most crucially those metrics don’t mean a guy is worth $25M as a starting PG.

If it all leads to that, then maybe the development actually cost you a mistake (in paying and playing him big) because he has a good stat profile.

And you can’t go from thinking IQ was close to making it a wrap on his greatness to then rolling that back to well he was at least a guy who developed.

I am throwing a lot at you but I don’t think he looks that good in Toronto either. In fact I think they’re making a mistake.

I don't know, you're the one who seems to instigate that conversation.

IQ played well for us (which is corroborated by most impact metrics) and he improved from year 1 to year 4. He was in the running for winning an end-of-season award as a third-year player, and deservedly so.

I'm not interested in any discussion about his long-term future here. Or whatever you say my opinion on the matter is or isn't.

The topic was player development under Thibs and the reality is that his development here was a success story. Was it all Thibs, or all IQ, or a combination of both, I don't know. But he developed into a good player under Thibs's tutelage and that was the only point I was making.

Fair enough but the scope does change a little. Good player, developed well, but major stud seems like it’s sort of the narrative that is lurking.

[Clyde_Style]

If it was legal and no other *big deals* were available this summer would you trade Deuce and Bogs for IQ?

I prefer Deuce to IQ, especially because he is already so damn reliable. He's a bucket on one end and a disruptor on the other.

And my gut says Deuce will be clutch in ways IQ will not be. Deuce is steady under pressure which can result in him becoming a big time marquee player if he sustains his current production. His numbers right now are exceptional. We'll need a full season to know fully how far he can take this, but I see no reason to doubt him.

Love both guys, but I feel Deuce is a good role player whereas IQ is that star 6th man. IQ can create offense in ways Deuce has yet to. Deuce is very well able to make the open shot generated by teammates, but IQ is able to be the guy that MAKES Deuce be open.

Have to disagree with you on this. Deuce has been showing plenty of ability to create his own shot, probe and exploit the defense, drive to the rack and make opportunistic putbacks off the offensive boards. He also has better athletic ability than IQ and Deuce has good body control when airborne. For a 6'1'' guard he has decent hops.

A month ago people on this board were saying Deuce was a limited offensive player and he is proving otherwise.

And Deuce has much better shot selection than IQ. He mostly takes shots he is ready to make whereas IQ's shot selection as a Knick was sometimes quite random. Shot selection can be a big factor in a player's effectiveness and I feel Deuce is smarter in this way.

Finally, Deuce is great at taking care of the ball. He is not turnover prone. IQ could get reckless at times.

I don't follow TO so I don't know how IQ has evolved so take that into consideration as I'm comparing them based on their Knicks tenure.

[cgf]

OG & Ju are just making sure they're ready for that Chicago trip...please...

doesn't seem likely. at least in randle's case. he has to first be able to take full contact, then practice probably at least twice and see how those things go. that's a week away minimum if he started taking contact today.

Hold your tongue. They'll both start on the 9th. So it is written, so it shall be.