[2011 Draft Thread Pt 3] - NY To TradeUp? (Update Top Pg 22)

[magnumt]

i think a lot of you are missing jimmer's true value. he can be our jason terry off the bench. we NEEEEEED a guy to come off the bench and light it up ... badly! bench scoring is a HUGE need for us. none of the other guys we have are capable. i don't think jimmer replaces lansry in the starting lineup either. landry will still get every chance to keep his starting gig.

I don't they're saying Jimmer will replace Landry in the lineup...I think they're saying that if we pick Klay Thompson or Marcus Brooks, then they MIGHT replace Landry as the Starting SG (provided he's still here).

Most expect Jimmer to start off the bench behind Billups early on (as the 6th Man).

--Mags

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

oh word? moreys gonna rape us again?

Probably going to demand Fields and #17. Knicks might counter with Douglas and #17. Either way it better be a home run pick otherwise it would look real real bad.

That is WAY too much, just to move up 3 spots into the late lottery of a weak draft. Many feel that Fields or Douglas have trade value roughly equal to a mid-late 1st round pick. Giving up one of those guys, in addition to #17, would be foolish.

[AmazingJason]

Is Jimmer really worth all this hoopla? I only watched his NCAA tourney games, but he did not look like an NBA starter or 6th man caliber type of player. He has a lot of things going against him (short, lack of athleticism, horrible defensive fundamentals). Also, I didn't really see this vaunted playmaking ability, either. I feel like J.J. Redick is a superior player, and Redick is currently a 7th-8th man off the bench. And that's after working incredibly hard to become a decent defensive player, too.

[Fella504]

Fcccckkkk Jimmer get the Center from USC or Klay trade up for one of them... Then buy a late first rounder or a 2nd rounder and get a pg. Jenkins, Shebly (might not be there), Reggie Jackson, N.Smith (Duke)

[cgmw]

If true, this is obviously the end of Toney Douglas' run in NY. To me the question is, do you prefer TD + an additional player at 17 or do you prefer just Jimmer/Klay?

Normally, I'd say that in the NBA it's always better to have one superior player than multiple inferior players. But our lack of depth is seriously scary.

That said, if there's some way to move up while also securing a later pick or two, then that seems smart. If the FO has scouted these guys and believes them to be significant upgrades over Toney Douglas, then I hope they pull the trigger.

I for one would be very excited to see what Jimmer could do off the bench as a shooter in D'Antoni's offense.

[moocow007]

oh word? moreys gonna rape us again?

Probably going to demand Fields and #17. Knicks might counter with Douglas and #17. Either way it better be a home run pick otherwise it would look real real bad.

To do what? Jump up 4 spots? Walsh would be an idiot to do that. More reasonable is he offers the 17th and 3 million in cash or, at most, 17 and Bill Walker.

[StutterStep]

It's not worth it to move up for Klay, though he would be a great addition for us. I think he's more a pick you make in the 20's...OK, so at 17, no problem.

For Jimmer, it really depends on the trade package. I would do it but not overplay our hand.

[magnumt]

Probably going to demand Fields and #17. Knicks might counter with Douglas and #17. Either way it better be a home run pick otherwise it would look real real bad.

To do what? Jump up 4 spots? Walsh would be an idiot to do that. More reasonable is he offers the 17th and 3 million in cash or, at most, 17 and Bill Walker.

TBH, I'd rather move a Player(s) for the Rockets Pick (if it turns out that Morey is willing to deal) and KEEP the 17th Pick.

I'd then go with Jimmer at 14 (if he's still there) or Klay. If I go Klay at 14 (due to Jimmer being gone), then I go PG at 17 (Shumpert, Selby, Morris etc).

--Mags

[TrueWarrior]

Probably going to demand Fields and #17. Knicks might counter with Douglas and #17. Either way it better be a home run pick otherwise it would look real real bad.

To do what? Jump up 4 spots? Walsh would be an idiot to do that. More reasonable is he offers the 17th and 3 million in cash or, at most, 17 and Bill Walker.

TBH, I'd rather move a Player(s) for the Rockets Pick (if it turns out that Morey is willing to deal) and KEEP the 17th Pick.

I'd then go with Jimmer at 14 (if he's still there) or Klay. If I go Klay at 14 (due to Jimmer being gone), then I go PG at 17 (Shumpert, Selby, Morris etc).

--Mags

Yea but do the Rockets have any need for Douglas or Fields? Honestly no. They already have Dragic, Lowry, Budinger, Lee, and TWill. The Rocks need a star somehow, so trading their pick for some more role players just doesnt make sense. They wont trade the pick without getting ours back. Might as well keep it and shoot for the stars.

[Fella504]

It's not worth it to move up for Klay, though he would be a great addition for us. I think he's more a pick you make in the 20's...OK, so at 17, no problem.

For Jimmer, it really depends on the trade package. I would do it but not overplay our hand.

What part of Dont draft JIMMER yall dont understand he plays no D... Yall must want a team of no defender's huh???

[Butch]

If the Knicks are moving up, then it should be for Bismack Biyombo. #1 need is a rebounder and defensive anchor in the post.

All this talk about guards is for the birds. The knicks have Billups and Douglas. Not ideal, but not too bad either. What they lack is post presence. Someone to intimidate players like Tyson Chandler or Okafor. Biyombo is the best fit next to Amare. D'Antoni would have no choice but to play him.

[magnumt]

It's not worth it to move up for Klay, though he would be a great addition for us. I think he's more a pick you make in the 20's...OK, so at 17, no problem.

For Jimmer, it really depends on the trade package. I would do it but not overplay our hand.

What part of Dont draft JIMMER yall dont understand he plays no D... Yall must want a team of no defender's huh???

Dude relax. You're taking his and others opinions too personally. He, I, and others have all right to promote and want Jimmer if we want.

Ya'll dig!

--Mags

[magnumt]

Can anyone provide this ESPN Article (it's about the Knicks affect on the Draft)?

http://t.co/90ILa2A

Thanks,

--Mags

[can o peas]

Can anyone provide this ESPN Article (it's about the Knicks affect on the Draft)?

http://t.co/90ILa2A

Thanks,

--Mags

• With the recent announcement that Donnie Walsh is leaving the Knicks, a legitimate question has arisen among other NBA GMs: Who is running the draft for New York?

I spoke to several sources inside the Knicks organization this week, and they've all said the same thing -- Walsh is. The Knicks aren't expected to hire their new GM until after the draft. Walsh and his team have spent all year scouting, and it's too late to change course now.

The Knicks are essentially looking at five players at No. 17 -- Klay Thompson, Fredette, Selby, Brooks and Faried.

Thompson and Fredette are unlikely to be on the board when the Knicks pick -- which means this could be a three-way race between Selby, Brooks and Faried. Selby and Brooks both impressed in their workouts with the Knicks last week. Faried is scheduled for later this month.

The direction in which the Knicks appear to be leaning is clear. It looks like they are in the market for a scoring guard -- which is a bit odd considering that Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire and, to a lesser extent Chauncey Billups, Toney Douglas and Bill Walker are all scorers, too. Faried is the only guy in that group who brings something to the table that other Knicks aren't already bringing (motor, defense, rebounding, shot-blocking).

More likely, the Knicks are looking to hit a home run. Selby and Brooks are scorers with major upsides. Both present risks (which is why they're in the Knicks' range and not in the lottery), but both offer them a chance to get a potential lottery talent in the mid-first round.

[magnumt]

Can anyone provide this ESPN Article (it's about the Knicks affect on the Draft)?

http://t.co/90ILa2A

Thanks,

--Mags

• With the recent announcement that Donnie Walsh is leaving the Knicks, a legitimate question has arisen among other NBA GMs: Who is running the draft for New York?

I spoke to several sources inside the Knicks organization this week, and they've all said the same thing -- Walsh is. The Knicks aren't expected to hire their new GM until after the draft. Walsh and his team have spent all year scouting, and it's too late to change course now.

The Knicks are essentially looking at five players at No. 17 -- Klay Thompson, Fredette, Selby, Brooks and Faried.

Thompson and Fredette are unlikely to be on the board when the Knicks pick -- which means this could be a three-way race between Selby, Brooks and Faried. Selby and Brooks both impressed in their workouts with the Knicks last week. Faried is scheduled for later this month.

The direction in which the Knicks appear to be leaning is clear. It looks like they are in the market for a scoring guard -- which is a bit odd considering that Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire and, to a lesser extent Chauncey Billups, Toney Douglas and Bill Walker are all scorers, too. Faried is the only guy in that group who brings something to the table that other Knicks aren't already bringing (motor, defense, rebounding, shot-blocking).

More likely, the Knicks are looking to hit a home run. Selby and Brooks are scorers with major upsides. Both present risks (which is why they're in the Knicks' range and not in the lottery), but both offer them a chance to get a potential lottery talent in the mid-first round.

Thanks!

--Mags

[moocow007]

To do what? Jump up 4 spots? Walsh would be an idiot to do that. More reasonable is he offers the 17th and 3 million in cash or, at most, 17 and Bill Walker.

TBH, I'd rather move a Player(s) for the Rockets Pick (if it turns out that Morey is willing to deal) and KEEP the 17th Pick.

I'd then go with Jimmer at 14 (if he's still there) or Klay. If I go Klay at 14 (due to Jimmer being gone), then I go PG at 17 (Shumpert, Selby, Morris etc).

--Mags

Yea but do the Rockets have any need for Douglas or Fields? Honestly no. They already have Dragic, Lowry, Budinger, Lee, and TWill. The Rocks need a star somehow, so trading their pick for some more role players just doesnt make sense. They wont trade the pick without getting ours back. Might as well keep it and shoot for the stars.

Well you could argue that asking for either guy would give them more assets to trade...but I would think 17 and $3 million should be sufficient to basically move up 3 spots.

[Pharmcat]

in this weak draft, i dont think its worth to trade a rotational player to move up

[moocow007]

• With the recent announcement that Donnie Walsh is leaving the Knicks, a legitimate question has arisen among other NBA GMs: Who is running the draft for New York?

I spoke to several sources inside the Knicks organization this week, and they've all said the same thing -- Walsh is. The Knicks aren't expected to hire their new GM until after the draft. Walsh and his team have spent all year scouting, and it's too late to change course now.

The Knicks are essentially looking at five players at No. 17 -- Klay Thompson, Fredette, Selby, Brooks and Faried.

Thompson and Fredette are unlikely to be on the board when the Knicks pick -- which means this could be a three-way race between Selby, Brooks and Faried. Selby and Brooks both impressed in their workouts with the Knicks last week. Faried is scheduled for later this month.

The direction in which the Knicks appear to be leaning is clear. It looks like they are in the market for a scoring guard -- which is a bit odd considering that Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire and, to a lesser extent Chauncey Billups, Toney Douglas and Bill Walker are all scorers, too. Faried is the only guy in that group who brings something to the table that other Knicks aren't already bringing (motor, defense, rebounding, shot-blocking).

More likely, the Knicks are looking to hit a home run. Selby and Brooks are scorers with major upsides. Both present risks (which is why they're in the Knicks' range and not in the lottery), but both offer them a chance to get a potential lottery talent in the mid-first round.

Yeah that would make a lot of sense. Kinda exactly like what a lot of us on this board have said for months now.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

If the Knicks don't move up (again when is the last time the Knicks ever did this?), I'd settle for acquiring another first round or early second round pick.

[Pharmcat]

NY should try to acquire a late pick, and then offer that and TD for Thompson from SAC

and draft a G at 17