Why is Dragic considered to be so much better than Lin?

Post #21 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:04 pm

Its Melo's fault

Post #22 » by **moocow007** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:07 pm

Seriously though, yeah I would give the edge to Dragic right now.

KnicksScholar24 · Post #23 » by **KnicksScholar24** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:09 pm

GoNYK1288 wrote:In starts:

Dragic: 28 GP, 18.0 PPG, 36.5 MPG, .490 FG%, .379 3P%, .839 FT%, 3.5 RPG, 1.8 SPG, 8.4 APG, 3.2 TO

Lin: 25 GP, 18.2 PPG, 34 MPG, .445 FG%, .343 3P%, .796 FT%, 3.7 RPG, 2.0 SPG, 7.7 APG, 4.5 TO

Goran Dragic has been in the league longer so he's more proven, and judging by these stats he shoot a higher fg, 3p, & ft percentage than Jeremy Lin in his starts. He also had more assists and fewer turnovers. Dragic also seems to have better ball control.

I don't know if Dragic is consider to be so much better than Lin (by non-Knicks haters), but he likely is considered less of a risk for a GM, and even when taking that into consideration he only got about $5 million more throughout the duration his deal (assuming the 4th season is picked up for Lin). Considering he had more years in the league and therefore a higher max contract limit that Lin, Dragic's deal doesn't suggest he's viewed as a much better PG option by NBA general managers.

Although, I can say how many were interested in Lin compared to Dragic. Dragic probably had more league-wide interest due to him being less risky. I also can't speculate how much the Rockets interest was due to Lin's skill level and how much was based on Lin's potential to revive the Rockets in the Asian markets.

I like Lin because of his age and potential, compared to Dragic.

Kampuchea · Post #24 » by **Kampuchea** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:09 pm

1) plays for knicks
2) Linsanity brought a ton of attention. That brings a ton of haters also
3) Dragic played for a longer time with minutes.

#3 is the only good reason, but all of the above are what lead to the overwhelmingly favoritism of dragic.

Smoke24 · Post #25 » by **Smoke24** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:10 pm

Dragic learned under Nash, and Lin learned under Davis/bibby? :dontknow:

earthmansurfer · Post #26 » by **earthmansurfer** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:13 pm

greenhughes wrote:
GoNYK1288 wrote:
greenhughes wrote:Lin played 20 games.

Lin started 25 games. Dragic started 28. This isn't an answer.

Yes it is. You just don't want it to be. Dragic has proven more then Lin has. What's so hard to understand about this. Dragic has been in the league longer and has played more games then Lin. Period. We just payed a guy who would normally still be on his rookie contract a lot of money. That's a risk. Dragic is coming off of his rookie contract (or 1 year removed) if I'm not mistaken. See the difference?

Dragic's body of work > Lin's body of work.

But has Dragic had the same affect on those around him as Lin has, and on the teams record? I think that is the most important difference, not stats, body of work, etc. Lin did more with less.

It's Simple, Lin is that rare player who makes those around him better and it leads to wins. I haven't seen that with Dragic - and yet he plays great.

JBreezeNY · Post #27 » by **JBreezeNY** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:16 pm

Because he is? (Not much better though)

I like Lin but Dragic has proven himself better & we even got an extra added bonus of seeing Dragic perform well in the playoffs.

Lin hasn't even played one playoff game.

unabashedFan · Post #28 » by **unabashedFan** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:18 pm

Before the NBA, Dragic had been playing professionally in Europe since age 17.
Lin at 17 years of age was still in Palo Alto High School.

So when people say Dragic is more proven, it's every bit the truth. Dragic is more battle-tested, has more experience against top level competition and is a less risky proposition.

Lin though has shown a remarkable jump from year 1 to year 2 so I'm hopeful to see if he can make similar strides.

Greenie · Post #29 » by **Greenie** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:18 pm

JBreezeNY wrote:Because he is?

I like Lin but Dragic has proven himself better & we even got an extra added bonus of seeing Dragic perform well in the playoffs.

Lin hasn't even played one playoff game.

That's not an answer

Greenie · Post #30 » by **Greenie** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:19 pm

unabashedFan wrote:Before the NBA, Dragic had been playing professionally in Europe since age 17.
Lin at 17 years of age was still in Palo Alto High School.

So when people say Dragic is more proven, it's every bit the truth. Dragic is more battle-tested, has more experience against top level competition and is a less risky proposition.

Lin though has shown a remarkable jump from year 1 to year 2 so I'm hopeful to see if he can make similar strides.

We all do.

BelieveTheDream · Post #31 » by **BelieveTheDream** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:21 pm

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks ... ran-dragic

Espn did a breakdown on this, its a solid read and I agree with some of what they say but yea

howe070523 · Post #32 » by **howe070523** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:23 pm

If Lin was beneficiary of Dantoni's system, then Dragic was a direct product of Mchale's system --- pick n roll all day every day, it is not a surprise both Lowry and Dragic had similar numbers when starting. People often overlook the fact that there are more than a handful of coaches who value picknroll plays just as much as Dantoni.

To put into perspective, Rockets was 14-13 when Dragic starts --- Knicks was 15-10 when Lin was the starter.

Also, the argument of Dragic being in the league longer therefore hes more proven than Lin is bogus, its like saying Robert Horry is a better player than Jordan because he had more rings. Dragic had been a career backup, he contributed nothing but 2 playoff games behind Nash, he failed to lead the Rockets to the playoffs, Rockets had a worse record when he's the starting PG and yet people complained about Lin's "small sample";

Yea right 28 games is so much more proven than 25 games.

howe070523 · Post #33 » by **howe070523** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:29 pm

BelieveTheDream wrote:http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/19842/jeremy-lin-vs-goran-dragic

Espn did a breakdown on this, its a solid read and I agree with some of what they say but yea

Whoever wrote that piece of **** is simply clueless...
Shooting (even) ? wtf? Dragic is a much better/consistent shooter.

According to synergy Lin is top 3 in this league operating high picknroll, Dragic is not even top 10.

oh well

biggyfuzz · Post #34 » by **biggyfuzz** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:36 pm

dragic has more experience in the NBA..simple as that. He was mentored by Nash for 3,4 years.

but whatever it is, i'm happy we got Lin, having heart is not teachable

unabashedFan · Post #35 » by **unabashedFan** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:37 pm

I watched a ton of Lin's games (he usually comes in only during blowouts) when he was a rookie at Golden State and I hafta admit I cringed everytime he's on the floor. He looked completely outclassed out there. He would turn the ball over upon any semblance of pressure, his jumper looked comical and his layups would hit the backboard without ever touching the ring. He looked so pathetic that a lot of GS fans became very vocal about him just being a marketing gimmick to sell tickets to the large Asian population in the Bay Area.

When he was cut from GS, I wasn't really surprised. To be honest, I was more surprised, Houston and NY picked him up from waivers. To me he looked like he definitely did not belong in the NBA. A lot of Knicks fans think Lin had it all along and he was just this overlooked kid who finally got his chance. What a lot of people don't know is that this version of Lin this year is not the same version as the Lin of last year. It's a complete metamorphosis. The stuff that he was doing on the floor, the variety of shots he was making... man, when I think about Linsanity, I still can't believe it really happened. LOL. When Lin said what's happening to him was a miracle from God, can't argue with that. He's made a believer out of me that's for sure.

Hemispheres · Post #36 » by **Hemispheres** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:51 pm

Dragic is more proven and at this point is probably the slightly better player.

However, Lin is younger, cheaper, and has more of that "it" factor imo. He has more room to grow.

Though it killed me hearing Lupica say that with Lin's contract he better become an all-star by that third $9 million year. Like there is so many all-stars making under $10 million...

Marty McFly · Post #37 » by **Marty McFly** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:53 pm

because dragic is black.

CU_NY09 · Post #38 » by **CU_NY09** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:56 pm

Dragic has been playing professionally since 17 and he's only slightly better than Lin?! That' doesn't sound good for Dragic.

Marty McFly · Post #39 » by **Marty McFly** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:59 pm

Hemispheres wrote:Dragic is more proven and at this point is probably the slightly better player.

However, Lin is younger, cheaper, and has more of that "it" factor imo. He has more room to grow.

Though it killed me hearing Lupica say that with Lin's contract he better become an all-star by that third $9 million year. Like there is so many all-stars making under $10 million...

lupica is another ****. why anyone bothers listening or reading anything that idiot says or writes is beyond me.

Woodsanity · Post #40 » by **Woodsanity** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:59 pm

Hemispheres wrote:Dragic is more proven and at this point is probably the slightly better player.

However, Lin is younger, cheaper, and has more of that "it" factor imo. He has more room to grow.

Though it killed me hearing Lupica say that with Lin's contract he better become an all-star by that third $9 million year. Like there is so many all-stars making under $10 million...

Pretty much this. I think Dragic is more proven and costs more but Lin has more upside.
I am not too impressed by Dragic. He has way more experience than Lin and has played under Nash and he is not significantly better than Lin.