[Build A Team 4.0] Discussion Thread Part II -*SPEED ROUNDS*

[Justdatdude]

Smh. I made a post saying I'm willing to trade up because I seen Jermaine was available and now he's gone. I'm absolutely stunned that the man wasn't picked already. He has a friendly contract and there are a ton of players that were picked ahead of him that isn't close to being as good as him, such as Ben Wallace and Amir Johnson.

Ben wallace>Jermaine oneal

[albert]

Smh. I made a post saying I'm willing to trade up because I seen Jermaine was available and now he's gone. I'm absolutely stunned that the man wasn't picked already. He has a friendly contract and there are a ton of players that were picked ahead of him that isn't close to being as good as him, such as Ben Wallace and Amir Johnson.

Jermaine O'Neal $5,765,000 $6,226,200

Ben Wallace $2,080,000 $2,246,400

Amir Johnson's contract is bad though. But I guess out of those 3, JO can make a layup consistently.

However, the playoff series against Boston hurts his stock.

[Justdatdude]

Smh. I made a post saying I'm willing to trade up because I seen Jermaine was available and now he's gone. I'm absolutely stunned that the man wasn't picked already. He has a friendly contract and there are a ton of players that were picked ahead of him that isn't close to being as good as him, such as Ben Wallace and Amir Johnson.

Jermaine O'Neal $5,765,000 $6,226,200

Ben Wallace $2,080,000 $2,246,400

Amir Johnson's contract is bad though. But I guess out of those 3, JO can make a layup consistently.

However, the playoff series against Boston hurts his stock.

Jermaine O'Neal is a good defender and still a solid offensive player. Making the MLE isn't a bad thing when the choices are Jermaine for 6 and Wallace for 2. Wallace isn't Jermaine and its always a good thing to have a big man that can give you something on both ends of the floor. When the salary is that low for the three players, there really isn't a reason to choose the other 2 over Jermaine.

[NewEra]

Smh. I made a post saying I'm willing to trade up because I seen Jermaine was available and now he's gone. I'm absolutely stunned that the man wasn't picked already. He has a friendly contract and there are a ton of players that were picked ahead of him that isn't close to being as good as him, such as Ben Wallace and Amir Johnson.

Don't you worry about Amir. He has his place on our team.

[Smoke24]

Well, it doesn't look like I'll be able to pick again until later this morning.

[moocow007]

Smh. I made a post saying I'm willing to trade up because I seen Jermaine was available and now he's gone. I'm absolutely stunned that the man wasn't picked already. He has a friendly contract and there are a ton of players that were picked ahead of him that isn't close to being as good as him, such as Ben Wallace and Amir Johnson.

Depends on what you're looking for.

If you're looking for a guy that can score points then JO is your guy. But if you're looking for a guy that is a better defender and rebounder, and an overall tougher player then Ben Wallace is the guy.

And even though Wallace is older (believe no one is imagining the prime time Ben Wallace...that Ben Wallace would have been taken in the 2nd round), a 35 year old Wallace looks like he's taken care of himself a lot more than a 31 year old Jermaine Oneal to be quite honest (and JO hardly looks like the former All-Star nowadays...14 years in the NBA kinda does that to you).

Also about fit...and believe me, we knew full well JO was available (he was on our EXTENSIVE draft board...right behind Ben Wallace) but Wallace just made more sense.

1. the Heat was already loaded with offensively strong players (20+ppg or near 20ppg guys at 4 of the 5 starting positions)...taking the better defensive player (Wallace) made more sense there.

2. the Heat has one relatively inexperienced spot in their starting lineup and that's Serge Ibaka at C. Taking a guy that has a load of championship experience in Wallace makes more sense.

3. in many ways Serge Ibaka has the potential to be the next Ben Wallace type player. Who better to be a mentor to Serge than Ben Wallace himself. JO as a mentor? Can't see it...too selfish and different type of game.

4. Wallace's toughness should also help complement Lamarcus Aldridge when both are on the floor a whole lot better than JO can.

As far as "not close to being"? Wallace averaged 8.9rpg and 1.2bpg in 28mpg last season. Oneal, 6.9rpg, 1.4bpg in about the same number of minutes and nearly the same number of games. Oneal scored a lot more points but flubbed completely in the playoffs. Would Wallace have pulled an Oneal come playoff time? And my team is expecting to go deep into the playoffs...so wouldn't we want to go with a guy that has proven he's got no problem with helping his team winning playoff games?

Yes, taking JO would have been the sexier pick but if you actually REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT it when judging this team, Ben Wallace makes MORE sense and makes the Heat a better team as well as being a better investment down the road (see comment about Wallace, Ibaka and Aldridge).

[moocow007]

Smh. I made a post saying I'm willing to trade up because I seen Jermaine was available and now he's gone. I'm absolutely stunned that the man wasn't picked already. He has a friendly contract and there are a ton of players that were picked ahead of him that isn't close to being as good as him, such as Ben Wallace and Amir Johnson.

Jermaine O'Neal $5,765,000 $6,226,200

Ben Wallace $2,080,000 $2,246,400

Amir Johnson's contract is bad though. But I guess out of those 3, JO can make a layup consistently.

However, the playoff series against Boston hurts his stock.

Jermaine O'Neal is a good defender and still a solid offensive player. Making the MLE isn't a bad thing when the choices are Jermaine for 6 and Wallace for 2. Wallace isn't Jermaine and its always a good thing to have a big man that can give you something on both ends of the floor. When the salary is that low for the three players, there really isn't a reason to choose the other 2 over Jermaine.

Sure there is. See my explanation. Dude...if all it takes to build a team is to take the best player then they wouldn't be paying GM's all that money (you just need Isiah Thomas...he always managed to get the best talent out of a deal, forget about fit or team building). It's called about fit and need and what role you want each player to have on a team.

[moocow007]

Smh. I made a post saying I'm willing to trade up because I seen Jermaine was available and now he's gone. I'm absolutely stunned that the man wasn't picked already. He has a friendly contract and there are a ton of players that were picked ahead of him that isn't close to being as good as him, such as Ben Wallace and Amir Johnson.

Don't you worry about Amir. He has his place on our team.

Yep. Amir Johnson is younger than JO (23 years old compared to 31 years old). His 4.8rpg in 17.7 mpg translates into roughly 7.5rpg per 28 minutes (what JO played last season). So not hard to argue that Amir Johnson is a better rebounder (or at least comparable to JO). Same goes for his blocks per game (roughly about the same in the same number of minutes). His ppg in 28 minutes comes out to be around 11ppg (or just a lil off of what JO averaged last season). Johnson is more uptempo now than JO is now. It's just about fit and need.

[H20KilledHeat]

receive:

rights to #210
#336


receive:

Eric Maynor
#378

This deal is contingent on if the guy who I want is still on the board. It will only become official after I get the guys name I will sent to a mod and LeBron2NY2010.

We accept and this trade is now ifficial

[Jose7]

What Brewer can add defensively to our starting squad, allows us to potentially used Matthews as a deadly scorer off the bench..

Pacers;

C: Andray Blatche / Jermaine O'Neal
PF: Blake Griffin
SF: Gerald Wallace / Corey Maggette
SG: Ronnie Brewer / Wesley Matthews
PG: Ty Lawson

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Looking to mae moves.. Acquire upcoming picks. Everyone is avialable via trade.
email - kwebson1010@yahoo.com

i'm actually on vacation at disney now so wont check email often but shoot me offers anyway.

[bishnykfan]

The Spurs would have taken Amir over JO anyday of the week due to his age and potential. As far as JO/Big Ben, I think it totally depends on who they are surrounded with. For the Heat, Ben Wallace makes infinitely more sense due to the players already chosen. Not that JO is an awful option, but Wallace on the Heat seems like a perfect fit.

[I am Ra]

receive:

rights to #210
#336


receive:

Eric Maynor
#378

This deal is contingent on if the guy who I want is still on the board. It will only become official after I get the guys name I will sent to a mod and LeBron2NY2010.

We accept and this trade is now ifficial

yup we got who we wanted. Thanks LeBron2NY2010.

[I am Ra]

Looking to move slightly up from 219. Will give up 336 for a 13th round pick.

[NewEra]

The Spurs would have taken Amir over JO anyday of the week due to his age and potential. As far as JO/Big Ben, I think it totally depends on who they are surrounded with. For the Heat, Ben Wallace makes infinitely more sense due to the players already chosen. Not that JO is an awful option, but Wallace on the Heat seems like a perfect fit.

This.

To add to that, he's due for a breakout season, and will be starting with Bosh gone. Also, If you look at his season splits, as a starter he averaged 17.6 ppg, 6rpg, and 1bpg.

[moocow007]

Looking to move slightly up from 219. Will give up 336 for a 13th round pick.

Check your IM. I'm your man.

[moocow007]

Trade being agreed to between Wolves and Heat. Paperwork coming.

[I am Ra]

receive:

#216
#366


receive:

#219
#336

[moocow007]

receive:

#216
#366


receive:

#219
#336

Miami GM Agrees.

[I am Ra]

This is like my millionth trade it seems. Good that I have a cooling off period until the 13th round. lol

[moocow007]

This is like my millionth trade it seems. Good that I have a cooling off period until the 13th round. lol

Yeah I think you are the record holder for most trades in any BAT we've ever had.