OFFICIAL - Amare Must Go Thread (all hate here) #TRADESTAT

[Nutty Nats Fan]

OMG, I can't stand all of the little kids on this board. It's not time to abandon Amar'e. It's time to abandon RealGM. I get less enjoyment from posting here and reading this crap than I do watching the Knicks lose. Horrendous.

With you man, on all accounts. Just ridiculous.

It was ridiculous that NY threw the contract that they did at Amare. I actually think if Melo was smart, he shouldn't have come to NY. He isn't winning with Amare at PF and NY doesn't have flexibility with the deal they gave to Amare.

And that was my belief the day he was signed. I'm no band wagoner on this one.

[MarJJMar]

NY fans do not understand that Amare has no trade value.

[Greenie]

OMG, I can't stand all of the little kids on this board. It's not time to abandon Amar'e. It's time to abandon RealGM. I get less enjoyment from posting here and reading this crap than I do watching the Knicks lose. Horrendous.

With you man, on all accounts. Just ridiculous.

It was ridiculous that NY threw the contract that they did at Amare. I actually think if Melo was smart, he shouldn't have come to NY. He isn't winning with Amare at PF and NY doesn't have flexibility with the deal they gave to Amare.

And that was my belief the day he was signed. I'm no band wagoner on this one.

I was not for Amare's signing nor Carmelo's trade, I like my franchise "Max Cats" to play defense.

[Greenie]

NY fans do not understand that Amare has no trade value.

Why, he's a big who can score.

[TiKusDom]

I dont think it's the players , but the system. Knicks need a smart coach who can create a good system for the players he has. Dantoni has a syste, and is trying to make the players fit into it. Knicks needs a more reflexive coach who can actually implement and create a system that utilizes Amare and Melo better. My 2 cents.

[timdunkit]

Its early season ... if anything, Knicks need to fire D'antoni before they trade Amare. He just doesn't fit with this group.

[towelie]

It's like Knick fans have already forgotten this man had 9 straight 30+ point games last season, and he's still playing without a PnR PG.

Amar'e will be fine, but he's definitely showing his limitations. I think he sees Chandler getting easy alley-oops, Melo going 1-on-1 and getting to the hoop with success, and out of jealousy, is pressing a bit and going out of his skillset. Plus, his jumper is broke, but I know someone with his work ethic will get it back eventually.

[KnicksMTA]

OMG, I can't stand all of the little kids on this board. It's not time to abandon Amar'e. It's time to abandon RealGM. I get less enjoyment from posting here and reading this crap than I do watching the Knicks lose. Horrendous.

With you man, on all accounts. Just ridiculous.

It was ridiculous that NY threw the contract that they did at Amare. I actually think if Melo was smart, he shouldn't have come to NY. He isn't winning with Amare at PF and NY doesn't have flexibility with the deal they gave to Amare.

And that was my belief the day he was signed. I'm no band wagoner on this one.

I always felt this way from the start. I felt that the Knicks should of never gave Amare that contract. It was just to risky.

[MarJJMar]

NY fans do not understand that Amare has no trade value.

Why, he's a big who can score.

Because no team in the NBA other than the desperate Knicks would have given him such a huge contract with no clauses which can not be insured.

At his age, injury history and salary, with no insurance no NBA team will be willing to give up anything for him. Many might not even take that risk for free.

[SelbyCobra]

If this is the first play of the game, fine.

But when this is the 4th quarter with your team down big and needing some fire and intensity from their leadership, and this dude has been personally whipping you like you're Denzel in Glory the whole game, how can this play possibly be interpreted as anything less than poor effort, lack of heart, and no accountability?

I'm not even kidding when I say I'd rather have seen him draw a flagrant and multiple game suspension for punching Diaw in the back of the head on the way to the basket after he got beat, just so it would be obvious he at least gave a sh*t. He just doesn't care about defense at this point. He gives it awesome lip service in the press, but nothing beyond that.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5DSa742msc&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

[vergogna]

Before giving up on Amare how about getting a coach who can actually draw up plays that suit both Amare's and Tyson's offensive game?

MD is the weak link here.

this

issue #1 - sadly, D'antoni
issue #2 - you need a PG

I would try changing this way before any talk about trading him, he has been good enough in the past to justify some adjustments around him

on defense I'm not sure if he's the product of years of D'Antoni system or he's just preserving his knee, I agree right now he is Bargnanesque, but with his physical strenght he just need hustle and focus to be -at least- adequate

[Rasho Brezec]

If this is the first play of the game, fine.

But when this is the 4th quarter with your team down big and needing some fire and intensity from their leadership, and this dude has been personally whipping you like you're Denzel in Glory the whole game, how can this play possibly be interpreted as anything less than poor effort, lack of heart, and no accountability?

I'm not even kidding when I say I'd rather have seen him draw a flagrant and multiple game suspension for punching Diaw in the back of the head on the way to the basket after he got beat, just so it would be obvious he at least gave a sh*t. He just doesn't care about defense at this point. He gives it awesome lip service in the press, but nothing beyond that.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5DSa742msc&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Oh, wow. Getting owned like that by Boris Diaw at his slowest and fattest point in his career. We maxed out this guy.

[MarJJMar]

no matter who you would get as PG it wouldnt make much of a difference because the real problem is that Amare and Carmelo are too similiar. They both want the ball and they both score in similiar situations.

As if Carmelo would allow any PG to dominate the ball and run the team over him.

[Fella504]

HE'S PISSING ME OFF BIG TIME, DAN FONNY SHOULD HAVE PUT BALKMAN ON DIAW... ITS FUNNY CAUSE WHEN MELO WAS ON THE BENCH HE WAS LOOKING LIKE WTF MULLENS WAS KILLING STAT

[devv83]

no matter who you would get as PG it wouldnt make much of a difference because the real problem is that Amare and Carmelo are too similiar. They both want the ball and they both score in similiar situations.

As if Carmelo would allow any PG to dominate the ball and run the team over him.

Billups, Andre Miller, and Iverson would disagree with you

[SelbyCobra]

Why do people want to lump Stat and Melo in the same category as players? Melo is so much more of a complete player than Stat, they're not even comparable.

I'm not saying Melo is Kobe or Lebron, but the guy can create his own shot, beat double teams with the ball in his hand on an iso, and generally do big things on his own. He's also shown to be a pretty decent passer, and has one of the best inside-out games in the league.

They definitely both require a lot of shots, so that's similar, but Amar'e and Melo aren't at all comparable one it comes to talking about "one-trick pony" type stuff.

[stuporman]

The whole idea that Melo and Amar'e can't play together makes no sense. Both of them are versatile enough that they can score and play in many different areas on the court. Sure they can from the same spot as well but it's not like they can only score from the same spot so there is nowhere else to go. That's not the problem at all.

The problem is the Douglas is horrible as a starting PG he just can't get anyone the ball in rhythm. Shump, for all the love he gets, can't do it either and really can only play PG in spot duty even though he's better than Douglas. Maybe down the road but not now, Shump acts more like a scoring PG when he's playing there. Baron is going to make all this go away with his ability to break down the defense and make the amazing pass.

Baron is even going to save D's job for the rest of the season, too, as much as I hate to say it. D' lets the PG run free and do whatever they can do to create and Baron can do that very well. So he will flourish in that role and make the team look pretty dam good doing it. He's going to get people the ball in places they can score.

We just have to hope that D' gets exposed in the playoffs so badly as a guy who is a weak coaching coach that he doesn't get retained and the Knicks can get a real coach for next season because they aren't going to get over the hump with this guy on the sideline.

[seren]

Amare is showing signs of aging. He reminds me of Webber's later days after injuries. I am officially worried.

[stuporman]

I don't think it's his body that's the issue it's that D' is trying to make him a stretch 4. Taking him away from the paint, not that there's a PG to get him the ball in a position to score anyway, is all D's doing. That's what the coach wants, one pick and roll and three spot up shooters. Since Chandler can't shoot he's the pick and roll partner and that leaves Amar'e spending his time spotting up at the three point line.

Amar'e need to be a back cutter or part of the pick and roll with Chandler being the back cutter. Does there really need to be three guys spotting up all the time for D' to get his rocks off? True that until Baron gets playing there isn't anyone to make the passes that are getting ignored now but I'm tired of seeing Amar'e jacking jumpers all game long.

[seren]

I don't think it's his body that's the issue it's that D' is trying to make him a stretch 4. Taking him away from the paint, not that there's a PG to get him the ball in a position to score anyway, is all D's doing. That's what the coach wants, one pick and roll and three spot up shooters. Since Chandler can't shoot he's the pick and roll partner and that leaves Amar'e spending his time spotting up at the three point line.

Amar'e need to be a back cutter or part of the pick and roll with Chandler being the back cutter. Does there really need to be three guys spotting up all the time for D' to get his rocks off? True that until Baron gets playing there isn't anyone to make the passes that are getting ignored now but I'm tired of seeing Amar'e jacking jumpers all game long.

One would hope so. That would be much easier to solve, ie replace the coach. But I still feel something isn't right. Even with past instances of lack of effort, I never saw Amare like this. His body language is just wrong. It is not only his 17 footers. He simply looks like he is moving slower than ever.