The Marcus Camby Mystery

[rdogg1026]

Who cares at this point? We didn't expect Sheed until January so we just reversed Sheed's role with Camby. I am fine with him coming back 100% in January. We're 8-3. Having Camby in the lineup for 20 minutes a game over the first 11 games would not have changed the outcome of any game.

[FrozenInfernoZX]

Camby isn't playing because he is almost 40 and he will be muh more valuable to us down the road. He is obviously not in shape to be used the way Woody wants so he is storing him like fine wine until he is ready to contribute on a consistent basis.

Why do you think Woody plays him every few games? Its to see if he will be ready but he is not. Sheed is different because he was not injured he just needed some running to get in game shape but Camby is much more injury prone right now and we cant risk him re-injuring himself just to play 15 minutes in the first 11 games of the season. In a few weeks this will all be a distant memory.

Dude, I like your thinking. I was saying the same thing.

[Iron Mantis]

Hologram theory FTW.

[clipse375]

i brought this up in another thread -- maybe it's because he didn't check his ego at the door like woodson wanted everyone too? remember, woodson said that everyone had to do that if they wanted this team to succeed...maybe camby is annoyed he's not getting more mintes and is showing it. *PURE SPECULATION*

I was thinking about this too. Something must have happened that's not basketball related. Maybe something during practice, he said something, I have no idea. I don't think it's Woodson not knowing how to handle the rotation, cus he's putting in Kurt Thomas. Kurt Thomas should probably be second-to-last in front of Copeland. How Camby isn't out there, I have no idea.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Dolan signed Camby so he could bench him for missing team functions and violating the media policy back in 2001.

[TheBigBoss]

He looked perfectly fine in the minutes he played. Was rebounding very well and even blocked a shot. Don't know what's Woodson problem with Camby, but I wish he gets over it. It already cost us the game in Memphis and it hurt us in Houston.

Woodson has become very much D'antoni stupid lately and it has me worried.

He looked lumbering, overweight, and exhausted. He's not in shape. I don't see the mystery, although I'd love it if at the end of the game he pulled off a mask like the villain at the end of Scooby Doo and it was really Eddy Curry. "I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids and Coach Woodson."

Lol, wtf??

[Guano]

Coach Woody must be pissed!

This may be your best work ITGM...

[fdr2012]

Who cares at this point? We didn't expect Sheed until January so we just reversed Sheed's role with Camby. I am fine with him coming back 100% in January. We're 8-3. Having Camby in the lineup for 20 minutes a game over the first 11 games would not have changed the outcome of any game.

Who cares? we just lost two games because we couldn't rebound the ball, while our best rebounder is glued to the bench for no apparent reason.

So yes, having Camby on the court was very likely to change the outcome of those two games.

[TheGarden]

Camby will likely play 15-20 minutes tonight, I'm guessing with the day off and extra work he could put in not to mention Sheed is out most likely and KT is not effective vs this youthful frontline

[Thugger HBC]

Who cares at this point? We didn't expect Sheed until January so we just reversed Sheed's role with Camby. I am fine with him coming back 100% in January. We're 8-3. Having Camby in the lineup for 20 minutes a game over the first 11 games would not have changed the outcome of any game.

Who cares? we just lost two games because we couldn't rebound the ball, while our best rebounder is glued to the bench for no apparent reason.

So yes, having Camby on the court was very likely to change the outcome of those two games.

Funny that we were undefeated with that same problem, so guess what?

That is not the problem, it's a problem.

When this team stops playing defense......primarily on the wing, it gets hard for them to win their games.

We aren't getting hammered in the paint, we're getting killed outside the paint.

Cmaby doesn't help that at all.

Camby doesn't look good to me, at least Sheed showed his skills early but wasn't in shape.

Camby doesn't move well, seems to not have had much practice, and his sulking on the bench is clear he has broken the code.....

CHECK YOUR EGO AT THE DOOR

I trust Woodson more than a often injured player who is pissed that he can't play in games that he can't contribute to winning anyway.

[fdr2012]

Who cares at this point? We didn't expect Sheed until January so we just reversed Sheed's role with Camby. I am fine with him coming back 100% in January. We're 8-3. Having Camby in the lineup for 20 minutes a game over the first 11 games would not have changed the outcome of any game.

Who cares? we just lost two games because we couldn't rebound the ball, while our best rebounder is glued to the bench for no apparent reason.

So yes, having Camby on the court was very likely to change the outcome of those two games.

Funny that we were undefeated with that same problem, so guess what?

That is not the problem, it's a problem.

When this team stops playing defense......primarily on the wing, it gets hard for them to win their games.

We aren't getting hammered in the paint, we're getting killed outside the paint.

Cmaby doesn't help that at all.

Camby doesn't look good to me, at least Sheed showed his skills early but wasn't in shape.

Camby doesn't move well, seems to not have had much practice, and his sulking on the bench is clear he has broken the code.....

CHECK YOUR EGO AT THE DOOR

I trust Woodson more than a often injured player who is pissed that he can't play in games that he can't contribute to winning anyway.

I completely disagree here. Camby already showed he can contribute in the two games he played. He showed he's our best rebounder.

Tyson got owned by Gasol and Asik.

Woodson should be the first to check his ego at the door. Camby is not 20. Treat him with respect and let him help the team.

[Thugger HBC]

Woodson got to check his ego at the door?

He's the damn coach, and his record here states his way is the right way.

Camby hasn't looked good, a slow dive on the floor doesn't change that.

Check your ego, Camby.

But you're right, he isn't 20, so why is he sulking on the bench like one?

[[GR]]

At the same point in conditioning, Camby looked a lot better than Sheed did. It isn't fair that Sheed got to play himself in shape, where as Camby has to ride the bench, even though he's already good to go.

[Thugger HBC]

At the same point in conditioning, Camby looked a lot better than Sheed did. It isn't fair that Sheed got to play himself in shape, where as Camby has to ride the bench, even though he's already good to go.

I can't say I've seen Camby doing any post-ups or ability to stretch the defense shooting threes, or sweet passes from the post.

Those are the things Sheed did while completely out of shape...you could see he could still play this game.

Both players can rebound and block a shot, but Sheed brings more to the table.

Plus we're comparing a guy who hadn't touched an NBA ball in two years to a guy who was leading the league in rebounds per minute, yet Cmaby hasn't looked good.

Cmaby should be ready to go immediately, and he hasn't been, and his sulking on the bench aint helping.

[fdr2012]

Woodson got to check his ego at the door?

He's the damn coach, and his record here states his way is the right way.

Camby hasn't looked good, a slow dive on the floor doesn't change that.

Check your ego, Camby.

But you're right, he isn't 20, so why is he sulking on the bench like one?

Yes. This is not a high-school team that Woodson is coaching. He's not some all powerful god. I don't care what his problems are with Camby. Not playing him when we're getting torched by Asik is unacceptable.

I could also care less about Camby "sulking". This isn't 10th grade here. If he can contribute (and he showed he can), he should be playing.

Woodson had these guys coming out strong to open the season, but he doesn't have unlimited credit. A few more losses and a few more times getting abused on the board with no sign of Camby and he will start feeling the heat.

[cgmw]

Yes. This is not a high-school team that Woodson is coaching. He's not some all powerful god. I don't care what his problems are with Camby. Not playing him when we're getting torched by Asik is unacceptable.

I could also care less about Camby "sulking". This isn't 10th grade here. If he can contribute (and he showed he can), he should be playing.

Woodson had these guys coming out strong to open the season, but he doesn't have unlimited credit. A few more losses and a few more times getting abused on the board with no sign of Camby and he will start feeling the heat.

Wow, so much wrong with this.

1. Woodson is not an all powerful god. He is, however, an NBA head coach whose explicit job description includes the power to decide who plays what minutes when.

2. You assume that Woodson is benching Camby for non-basketball reasons, which is a completely wild and absurd assumption. You keep referencing his 4 rebounds, and everyone else keeps saying "he looks tired, slow, and old." Don't you think it's at least fair to assume that Woodson thinks he's making a basketball decision?

I had points 3 through 5 lined up, but I think I'll just end it there. All powerful god? Really? So you have no doubt this is just an ego war and has nothing to do with Camby being out of shape. Ok.

[Thugger HBC]

Woodson got to check his ego at the door?

He's the damn coach, and his record here states his way is the right way.

Camby hasn't looked good, a slow dive on the floor doesn't change that.

Check your ego, Camby.

But you're right, he isn't 20, so why is he sulking on the bench like one?

Yes. This is not a high-school team that Woodson is coaching. He's not some all powerful god. I don't care what his problems are with Camby. Not playing him when we're getting torched by Asik is unacceptable.

I could also care less about Camby "sulking". This isn't 10th grade here. If he can contribute (and he showed he can), he should be playing.

Woodson had these guys coming out strong to open the season, but he doesn't have unlimited credit. A few more losses and a few more times getting abused on the board with no sign of Camby and he will start feeling the heat.

Sorry man, you're avoiding the reason why the team is losing.

As fans it's easy to avoid the obvious because at times we focus so much on individual players that the TEAM get ignored.

It's why there has been over 5 threads made crying about Melo's fouls made immediately after they got smoked by Dallas backcourt.

They aren't playing elite defense as of late.

Now if they elite defense and lose due to rebounding...I will admit that fully.

But that hasn't been the case so far.

And yeah I do care that Camby is sulking.

Ride pine to you get your mind right bro.

Camby is a 10 minute dude every other game player.

He's playing exactly what he should be right now.

[fdr2012]

I had points 3 through 5 lined up, but I think I'll just end it there. All powerful god? Really? So you have no doubt this is just an ego war and has nothing to do with Camby being out of shape. Ok.

I've seen Camby play and he was better than KT. Playing KT ahead of him makes no sense in terms of basketball. This about about some kind of ego war. It's not about basketball.

[fdr2012]

Sorry man, you're avoiding the reason why the team is losing.

As fans it's easy to avoid the obvious because at times we focus so much on individual players that the TEAM get ignored.

It's why there has been over 5 threads made crying about Melo's fouls made immediately after they got smoked by Dallas backcourt.

They aren't playing elite defense as of late.

Now if they elite defense and lose due to rebounding...I will admit that fully.

But that hasn't been the case so far.

And yeah I do care that Camby is sulking.

Ride pine to you get your mind right bro.

Camby is a 10 minute dude every other game player.

He's playing exactly what he should be right now.

Knicks are losing because of the lack of D and rebounding. Tyson in particular has been terrible at both.

Camby was brought here to play 10-20 mpg every night. When Tyson is this terrible, and we're facing big men like Gasol/Asik, there's no excuse for not playing Camby. I can't think of a single basketball reason that would justify playing KT ahead of Camby.

[cgmw]

I had points 3 through 5 lined up, but I think I'll just end it there. All powerful god? Really? So you have no doubt this is just an ego war and has nothing to do with Camby being out of shape. Ok.

I've seen Camby play and he was better than KT. Playing KT ahead of him makes no sense in terms of basketball. This about about some kind of ego war. It's not about basketball.

Just so we're clear here, in order for anybody else to agree with you they would need to value your ability to evaluate talent in 10 minutes of seeing Camby on TV higher than that of a professional basketball coach who's spent hours upon hours working with Camby in person.