GT: Game 5, Indiana Pacers @ New York Knicks, Tuesday 8 PM

[Jeff Van Gully]

so... we have a basketball game today.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

i don't know that he has a choice right now but to overplay guys. we lost 1 rotation player before round 1. we lost another in the last series and 2 at the beginning of this series. that's 4 of your top 8. it's been a snowball effect. josh is playing 48 minutes and he's not even supposed to be a starter.

i said it a couple days ago that the knicks might need to think about filling the end of their bench with semi-washed vets instead of projects like sims, toppin, jeffries. he's not gonna play them and they shouldn't be playing if a situation like this arises again. sims was awful out there in the last game. good or bad, he'd trust taj gibson to play 4 minutes a half.

His own actions led to this outcome, and there's always a choice between playing a guy the full 48 minutes in consecutive games. Josh is the first player to play 48 mins in consecutive playoff games since 2013, you can't tell me that we're the most banged up team in the last 11 years and are left in a spot no other team was in . Guess who the last guy to do it was, Jimmy Butler coached by Tom


Thousands of playoff games in the last 11 yrs, and Tom is doing something only Tom has done in that time period. He grinds players into the ground during the regular season, then his team falls apart in the playoffs, it happened with the Bulls and it's happening to us, people here are just acting surprised that the guy with 100 DUIs is crashing his car again and arguing that it's not the alcohol.

Thibs definitely pushes it to the limit but look around. Dame, Giannis, KP, Jarrett Allen, Embiid, now Mitchell. Half of the good players in the conference are hurt. Everybody is falling apart.

Sure, injuries happen, his track record is what separates him. People cannot just ho-hum and what about other players when this has been a core theme of all his albums, yeah other people hop on the Thibs wave but he's bringing the same tunes he has since 2011.

[Context]

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I stopped reading here, just delusional.

There you are...
So- did we shut Maxey down?

[FrozenEnvelope]

His own actions led to this outcome, and there's always a choice between playing a guy the full 48 minutes in consecutive games. Josh is the first player to play 48 mins in consecutive playoff games since 2013, you can't tell me that we're the most banged up team in the last 11 years and are left in a spot no other team was in . Guess who the last guy to do it was, Jimmy Butler coached by Tom


Thousands of playoff games in the last 11 yrs, and Tom is doing something only Tom has done in that time period. He grinds players into the ground during the regular season, then his team falls apart in the playoffs, it happened with the Bulls and it's happening to us, people here are just acting surprised that the guy with 100 DUIs is crashing his car again and arguing that it's not the alcohol.

Thibs definitely pushes it to the limit but look around. Dame, Giannis, KP, Jarrett Allen, Embiid, now Mitchell. Half of the good players in the conference are hurt. Everybody is falling apart.

Exactly Sham...
Something is not working with the training and maintenance across the league.

This has always happened. Injuries are part of the game.

Watch on YouTube

[Gravy]

OG is the guy you really need to watch with minutes. He just seems fragile. We need a way to keep him preserved going forward. Of course, the plan this playoffs already missing Randle was spelling him with Bogdanovic but he had a freak injury of his own. Stupid Batum.

A real backup point would help as well. Deuce is cool but more of a combo.

Improving the bench in the offseason might be more important than worsening our depth in a superstar trade. If we have a good bench Thibs has shown he will play them. Losing IQ was a big hit and we never replaced him

deuce mcbride stepped into that role. and, yeah. we recognized a need for depth. we added some low-risk depth. more injuries came. it's not like we didn't care. them's the breaks sometimes.

I like Deuce but he is not close to how good and consistent IQ was. And Deuce has been terrible in this series so far.

Leon did not bring in adequate reinforcements, there's only so many moves you can make in the middle of the season. He has to fix it this summer though

[Context]

Thibs definitely pushes it to the limit but look around. Dame, Giannis, KP, Jarrett Allen, Embiid, now Mitchell. Half of the good players in the conference are hurt. Everybody is falling apart.

Exactly Sham...
Something is not working with the training and maintenance across the league.

This has always happened. Injuries are part of the game.

Watch on YouTube

I didnt see this in the 90's

[spree2kawhi]

Read on Twitter

Over many months, long minutes benefit freak injuries. If you’ve played, you just know that. It’s not only the chance of the occurrence that’s increased but also the way tendons etc react in those situations is altered. I’m not saying anything was done wrong here or that Thibs would’ve had different ways to go recently, but mileage not only increases the risk of but directly leads to tears and accidents. Of course it does.

Welcome to the NBA! ALL teams who made the playoffs will have players that played more then 70 games and over 30 minutes per game. And in the playoffs, those same teams will increase their minutes too! Look at the Denver Nuggets minutes distribution. This has been happening since the beginning of time and it's never going to change. There is no magic number of games and minutes that remove injuries either. It's all random and luck.

No, it’s not I just pointed it out to you.

[Capn'O]

OG is the guy you really need to watch with minutes. He just seems fragile. We need a way to keep him preserved going forward. Of course, the plan this playoffs already missing Randle was spelling him with Bogdanovic but he had a freak injury of his own. Stupid Batum.

A real backup point would help as well. Deuce is cool but more of a combo.

Improving the bench in the offseason might be more important than worsening our depth in a superstar trade. If we have a good bench Thibs has shown he will play them. Losing IQ was a big hit and we never replaced him

I agree. I think our star players mesh pretty well. Or at least what we saw was intriguing enough that I want to see more before moving on. The draft may even be a piece of it.

[spree2kawhi]

Exactly Sham...
Something is not working with the training and maintenance across the league.

This has always happened. Injuries are part of the game.

Watch on YouTube

I didnt see this in the 90's

This.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Over many months, long minutes benefit freak injuries. If you’ve played, you just know that. It’s not only the chance of the occurrence that’s increased but also the way tendons etc react in those situations is altered. I’m not saying anything was done wrong here or that Thibs would’ve had different ways to go recently, but mileage not only increases the risk of but directly leads to tears and accidents. Of course it does.

Welcome to the NBA! ALL teams who made the playoffs will have players that played more then 70 games and over 30 minutes per game. And in the playoffs, those same teams will increase their minutes too! Look at the Denver Nuggets minutes distribution. This has been happening since the beginning of time and it's never going to change. There is no magic number of games and minutes that remove injuries either. It's all random and luck.

No, it’s not I just pointed it out to you.

You're talking to people who will read this article from 2018 and act like history isn't repeating itself. And that the coach who had the same questions in 2013, is just a case of bad luck.

https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2018/02/26/does-timberwolves-coach-tom-thibodeau-have-an-injury-problem/

Tom Thibodeau has done great things for the Timberwolves so far in his time as head coach. While these injuries can be frustrating, let’s not all throw him under the bus in regards to injuries just yet.

Deja vu.

[Gravy]

Hey look an actual doctor who went to medical school and specializes in Sports Medicine with an opinion!

According to realgm doctors every single injury is minutes related, dont matter what or how it happened. Mitch averages 25mpg and Bogs just got here but somehow Thibs was working them to the bone...

[spree2kawhi]

Welcome to the NBA! ALL teams who made the playoffs will have players that played more then 70 games and over 30 minutes per game. And in the playoffs, those same teams will increase their minutes too! Look at the Denver Nuggets minutes distribution. This has been happening since the beginning of time and it's never going to change. There is no magic number of games and minutes that remove injuries either. It's all random and luck.

No, it’s not I just pointed it out to you.

You're talking to people who will read this article from 2018 and act like history isn't repeating itself. And that the coach who had the same questions in 2013, is just a case of bad luck.

https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2018/02/26/does-timberwolves-coach-tom-thibodeau-have-an-injury-problem/

Yeah it’s undeniable really. There aren’t many other options now that it’s too late, but the correlation and history speak volumes. Thibs has had a great season but denying the side-effects is bananas.

[MrDollarBills]

The media has all but sounded the death knell for this team. I need to see the Knicks come out with some actual defensive intensity and do not let the Pacers dictate the pace. Slow this game down and make it physical.

[spree2kawhi]

Hey look an actual doctor who went to medical school and specializes in Sports Medicine with an opinion!

According to realgm doctors every single injury is minutes related, dont matter what or how it happened. Mitch averages 25mpg and Bogs just got here but somehow Thibs was working them to the bone...

This is called polemic fyi

[NoDopeOnSundays]

The media has all but sounded the death knell for this team. I need to see the Knicks come out with some actual defensive intensity and do not let the Pacers dictate the pace. Slow this game down and make it physical.

It all depends on Brunson, if he's not like he was in game 1 we lose. We can't slow them down if we're not scoring, they will run on every miss.

[spree2kawhi]

The media has all but sounded the death knell for this team. I need to see the Knicks come out with some actual defensive intensity and do not let the Pacers dictate the pace. Slow this game down and make it physical.

They can still win it. The reason is not to be found in this organization though: Indiana simply isn’t a very good team.

[kNicksGmen]

Improving the bench in the offseason might be more important than worsening our depth in a superstar trade. If we have a good bench Thibs has shown he will play them. Losing IQ was a big hit and we never replaced him

deuce mcbride stepped into that role. and, yeah. we recognized a need for depth. we added some low-risk depth. more injuries came. it's not like we didn't care. them's the breaks sometimes.

I like Deuce but he is not close to how good and consistent IQ was. And Deuce has been terrible in this series so far.

Leon did not bring in adequate reinforcements, there's only so many moves you can make in the middle of the season. He has to fix it this summer though

we def need a secondary playmaker type for the bench unit. sure we can roll with Randle playing with the 2nd unit but still think we need a ball handling type - ideally a playmaker combo/scoring guard type or even just a traditional PG type that can run the offense and knock down 3s.

[Context]

Present:


https://clutchpoints.com/secret-behind-tom-thibodeau-knicks-minutes-strategy

New York has held very few all-out practices this season. During the second half of the 2023-24 season, they were virtually eliminated. In doing so, Thibodeau has ensured that his players are more well-rested, rejuvenated, and ready to give it their all for 48 minutes in any given game. The bottom line is that practice ruins players' health over time, not the games. Freak injuries happen, and the Knicks have seen this with a few of their players this season. There is simply no way to avoid injuries.

Thibs has changed his system.

In the PAST:

https://www.twincities.com/2016/09/27/no-surprise-tom-thibodeaus-first-practice-long-and-intense/

Tom Thibodeau’s first practice as the Timberwolves’ new coach lived up to its billing Tuesday.

“Longer than I expected,” rookie point guard Kris Dunn said of the training camp opener.

Players can anticipate a lot of that this season. Thibodeau’s former players have spoken to the difficulty of his practices, and Tuesday seemed to be no different, as the audible volume of practice was easily heard throughout the building.

The narrative is false....Thibs has evolved Knick family...

[Gravy]

Hey look an actual doctor who went to medical school and specializes in Sports Medicine with an opinion!

According to realgm doctors every single injury is minutes related, dont matter what or how it happened. Mitch averages 25mpg and Bogs just got here but somehow Thibs was working them to the bone...

This is called polemic fyi

I mean posters are literally blaming every injury on minutes, no exaggeration

[KnicksGod]

We could win a championship and you guys will still
be arguing in the PG thread

I disagree with that!