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Post#3211 » by sogood » Thu Dec 5, 2013 2:21 am

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sogood wrote:How bad does LA want Melo? I want Jordan Hill, Farnar, and Wesley Johnson. Obviously Gasol will have to be included for salary purposes.


Why on earth would the Knicks want to do that? Farmar would be the 4th string PG on this team. Gasol is a 7 footer that is currently shooting 41% from the field and looking like he may be nearing the end. Wesley Johnson is finally beginning to look like a guy who should have been drafted in the bottom half of the 1st round. Jordan Hill is the only guy that is having a real strong season so far and that's only still 8 and 8.


We're 3-13. Let's not act like we have a good team here. Farmar would be our backup. He's young, athletic, and can shoot. Jordan Hill is getting 9/8 in only 22 minutes a game. He gives 100 percent every second he's out there. Wesley Johnson intrigues me because of his athleticism, defense, and long range shooting.
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Re: Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread 

Post#3212 » by moocow007 » Thu Dec 5, 2013 2:36 am

sogood wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
sogood wrote:How bad does LA want Melo? I want Jordan Hill, Farnar, and Wesley Johnson. Obviously Gasol will have to be included for salary purposes.


Why on earth would the Knicks want to do that? Farmar would be the 4th string PG on this team. Gasol is a 7 footer that is currently shooting 41% from the field and looking like he may be nearing the end. Wesley Johnson is finally beginning to look like a guy who should have been drafted in the bottom half of the 1st round. Jordan Hill is the only guy that is having a real strong season so far and that's only still 8 and 8.


We're 3-13. Let's not act like we have a good team here. Farmar would be our backup. He's young, athletic, and can shoot. Jordan Hill is getting 9/8 in only 22 minutes a game. He gives 100 percent every second he's out there. Wesley Johnson intrigues me because of his athleticism, defense, and long range shooting.


So because we're 3-13 we should make a bad trade? Maybe what the KNicks should have done last season when the Wolves were awful and they were a 54 win team, trade a similar mediocre package to Minny for Kevin Love? What do you think the Wolves would have done? What does the Knicks current record have to do with justifying a bad trade?
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Post#3213 » by SuperflyKnick » Thu Dec 5, 2013 4:01 am

Take away Felton, jr, amare and thid team is already better
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Post#3214 » by gr3en » Thu Dec 5, 2013 4:12 am

Phoenix seems like an ideal trading partner. They have 2 young PGs, a big expiring contract, a bunch of short term contracts and 1st round picks next year

Carmelo Anthony
Raymond Felton
JR Smith
Chris Smith
Kenyon Martin
Cole Aldrich

for

Eric Bledsoe (QO)
Channing Frye (PO)
Emeko Okafor (expiring)
Alex Len
Gerald Green
2014 First Round Pick (Phoenix)
2014 First Round Pick (Timberwolves)
2014 First Round Pick (Wizards)
Future picks

Lineup after:

NY:

Chandler / Len / Okafor
Bargnani / Frye / Amare
Green / World Peace
Shumpert / Hardaway Jr. / Murry
Bledsoe / Prigioni / Udrih

Phoenix:

Plumee / Kravtsov / Aldrich
Morris / Morris / K-Mart
Anthony / Tucker / Christmas
JR Smith / Goodwin / C. Smith
Dragic / Felton / I. Smith
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Post#3215 » by Newyorknick94 » Thu Dec 5, 2013 5:04 am

I say we trade for Dennis Schroeder some how.
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Post#3216 » by Kobe System » Thu Dec 5, 2013 5:14 am

gr3en wrote:Phoenix seems like an ideal trading partner. They have 2 young PGs, a big expiring contract, a bunch of short term contracts and 1st round picks next year

Carmelo Anthony
Raymond Felton
JR Smith
Chris Smith
Kenyon Martin
Cole Aldrich

for

Eric Bledsoe (QO)
Channing Frye (PO)
Emeko Okafor (expiring)
Alex Len
Gerald Green
2014 First Round Pick (Phoenix)
2014 First Round Pick (Timberwolves)
2014 First Round Pick (Wizards)
Future picks

Lineup after:

NY:

Chandler / Len / Okafor
Bargnani / Frye / Amare
Green / World Peace
Shumpert / Hardaway Jr. / Murry
Bledsoe / Prigioni / Udrih

Phoenix:

Plumee / Kravtsov / Aldrich
Morris / Morris / K-Mart
Anthony / Tucker / Christmas
JR Smith / Goodwin / C. Smith
Dragic / Felton / I. Smith


And you think will trade 3 1st round picks for Melo? Melo's trade value is at all time low. Bledsoe's value is higher IMO.
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Post#3217 » by ca1 » Thu Dec 5, 2013 6:05 am

I wonder how many teams actually want Melo

besides idk, toronto, Bobcats, suns maybe
I cant imagine dantoni wanting melo again
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Post#3218 » by Nyk4lyfe » Thu Dec 5, 2013 7:16 am

gr3en wrote:Phoenix seems like an ideal trading partner. They have 2 young PGs, a big expiring contract, a bunch of short term contracts and 1st round picks next year

Carmelo Anthony
Raymond Felton
JR Smith
Chris Smith
Kenyon Martin
Cole Aldrich

for

Eric Bledsoe (QO)
Channing Frye (PO)
Emeko Okafor (expiring)
Alex Len
Gerald Green
2014 First Round Pick (Phoenix)
2014 First Round Pick (Timberwolves)
2014 First Round Pick (Wizards)
Future picks

Lineup after:

NY:

Chandler / Len / Okafor
Bargnani / Frye / Amare
Green / World Peace
Shumpert / Hardaway Jr. / Murry
Bledsoe / Prigioni / Udrih

Phoenix:

Plumee / Kravtsov / Aldrich
Morris / Morris / K-Mart
Anthony / Tucker / Christmas
JR Smith / Goodwin / C. Smith
Dragic / Felton / I. Smith


LOOOOOOOOL
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Post#3219 » by gr3en » Thu Dec 5, 2013 7:36 am

Nyk4lyfe wrote:
gr3en wrote:Phoenix seems like an ideal trading partner. They have 2 young PGs, a big expiring contract, a bunch of short term contracts and 1st round picks next year

Carmelo Anthony
Raymond Felton
JR Smith
Chris Smith
Kenyon Martin
Cole Aldrich

for

Eric Bledsoe (QO)
Channing Frye (PO)
Emeko Okafor (expiring)
Alex Len
Gerald Green
2014 First Round Pick (Phoenix)
2014 First Round Pick (Timberwolves)
2014 First Round Pick (Wizards)
Future picks

Lineup after:

NY:

Chandler / Len / Okafor
Bargnani / Frye / Amare
Green / World Peace
Shumpert / Hardaway Jr. / Murry
Bledsoe / Prigioni / Udrih

Phoenix:

Plumee / Kravtsov / Aldrich
Morris / Morris / K-Mart
Anthony / Tucker / Christmas
JR Smith / Goodwin / C. Smith
Dragic / Felton / I. Smith


LOOOOOOOOL


you gotta cut me some slack bro. this losing streak is affecting us in different...somewhat delusional ways hahaha
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Post#3220 » by moocow007 » Thu Dec 5, 2013 2:19 pm

^^^ I'd do that trade but someone would have to kill Dolan and drug the other teams GM's first. :D
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Post#3221 » by seren » Thu Dec 5, 2013 3:12 pm

Clippers/Knicks

DJ/Crawful/2014 first round pick for Tyson Chandler

Puts Clippers under the tax, Chandler can make his free throws and obvious Chris Paul angle.

Crawful can actually ball unlike JR, DJ is younger but suckier, we get a pick.
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Post#3222 » by SuperflyKnick » Thu Dec 5, 2013 5:30 pm

seren wrote:Clippers/Knicks

DJ/Crawful/2014 first round pick for Tyson Chandler

Puts Clippers under the tax, Chandler can make his free throws and obvious Chris Paul angle.

Crawful can actually ball unlike JR, DJ is younger but suckier, we get a pick.



Crawford and Jr on the same team.... Oh My :o
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Post#3223 » by machu46 » Thu Dec 5, 2013 5:35 pm

seren wrote:Clippers/Knicks

DJ/Crawful/2014 first round pick for Tyson Chandler

Puts Clippers under the tax, Chandler can make his free throws and obvious Chris Paul angle.

Crawful can actually ball unlike JR, DJ is younger but suckier, we get a pick.


Clippers would never trade DJ and a 1st for Chandler IMO. I think they'd hesitate to do DJ for Chandler straight up.
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Post#3224 » by seren » Thu Dec 5, 2013 6:24 pm

machu46 wrote:
seren wrote:Clippers/Knicks

DJ/Crawful/2014 first round pick for Tyson Chandler

Puts Clippers under the tax, Chandler can make his free throws and obvious Chris Paul angle.

Crawful can actually ball unlike JR, DJ is younger but suckier, we get a pick.


Clippers would never trade DJ and a 1st for Chandler IMO. I think they'd hesitate to do DJ for Chandler straight up.


I can't say what they would do or not, but if they hesitate a straight up DJ for Chandler, that would be stupid of them. As of now, they are looking at Odom to replace DJ during crunch time. Dude is a liability with his free throw troubles. Chandler gives them everything DJ can plus real offensive threat. You wouldn't have to sit Chandler when it truly matters.
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Post#3225 » by machu46 » Thu Dec 5, 2013 6:50 pm

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seren wrote:Clippers/Knicks

DJ/Crawful/2014 first round pick for Tyson Chandler

Puts Clippers under the tax, Chandler can make his free throws and obvious Chris Paul angle.

Crawful can actually ball unlike JR, DJ is younger but suckier, we get a pick.


Clippers would never trade DJ and a 1st for Chandler IMO. I think they'd hesitate to do DJ for Chandler straight up.


I can't say what they would do or not, but if they hesitate a straight up DJ for Chandler, that would be stupid of them. As of now, they are looking at Odom to replace DJ during crunch time. Dude is a liability with his free throw troubles. Chandler gives them everything DJ can plus real offensive threat. You wouldn't have to sit Chandler when it truly matters.


Chandler isn't an offensive threat. He's just an okay free throw shooter and he can dunk (which DeAndre can do as well). You can't give either of them the ball outside of 2 feet and expect them to score. But yeah, the difference in free throw shooting is huge. At the same time though, Chandler is already 31. Jordan is 25. I think they'd rather just hang on to Jordan unless they're getting a C that's a legitimate offensive threat or something.
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Post#3226 » by seren » Thu Dec 5, 2013 7:08 pm

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Chandler isn't an offensive threat. He's just an okay free throw shooter and he can dunk (which DeAndre can do as well). You can't give either of them the ball outside of 2 feet and expect them to score. But yeah, the difference in free throw shooting is huge. At the same time though, Chandler is already 31. Jordan is 25. I think they'd rather just hang on to Jordan unless they're getting a C that's a legitimate offensive threat or something.


I can only assume you have not watched a single moment of Chandler's career. Chandler is indeed a very serious offensive weapon. Both his years in New Orleans and a good part of his career in New York, the main offensive sets involve Chandler's picks. He is one of the best in the business.

Clippers can hang onto Jordan if they don't want to win a championship.
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Post#3227 » by machu46 » Thu Dec 5, 2013 8:04 pm

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Chandler isn't an offensive threat. He's just an okay free throw shooter and he can dunk (which DeAndre can do as well). You can't give either of them the ball outside of 2 feet and expect them to score. But yeah, the difference in free throw shooting is huge. At the same time though, Chandler is already 31. Jordan is 25. I think they'd rather just hang on to Jordan unless they're getting a C that's a legitimate offensive threat or something.


I can only assume you have not watched a single moment of Chandler's career. Chandler is indeed a very serious offensive weapon. Both his years in New Orleans and a good part of his career in New York, the main offensive sets involve Chandler's picks. He is one of the best in the business.

Clippers can hang onto Jordan if they don't want to win a championship.


And those plays result in a dunk, right? That's what I said. Chandler cannot score unless it's a dunk. DeAndre Jordan can already do that. It's not like Chandler can spot up or score in the post. He isn't an upgrade over DeAndre on the offensive end unless you factor in free throw shooting.
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Post#3228 » by seren » Thu Dec 5, 2013 8:06 pm

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machu46 wrote:
Chandler isn't an offensive threat. He's just an okay free throw shooter and he can dunk (which DeAndre can do as well). You can't give either of them the ball outside of 2 feet and expect them to score. But yeah, the difference in free throw shooting is huge. At the same time though, Chandler is already 31. Jordan is 25. I think they'd rather just hang on to Jordan unless they're getting a C that's a legitimate offensive threat or something.


I can only assume you have not watched a single moment of Chandler's career. Chandler is indeed a very serious offensive weapon. Both his years in New Orleans and a good part of his career in New York, the main offensive sets involve Chandler's picks. He is one of the best in the business.

Clippers can hang onto Jordan if they don't want to win a championship.


And those plays result in a dunk, right? That's what I said. Chandler cannot score unless it's a dunk. DeAndre Jordan can already do that. It's not like Chandler can spot up or score in the post. He isn't an upgrade over DeAndre on the offensive end unless you factor in free throw shooting.


Yeah, OK mate.
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Post#3229 » by machu46 » Thu Dec 5, 2013 8:41 pm

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machu46 wrote:
seren wrote:
I can only assume you have not watched a single moment of Chandler's career. Chandler is indeed a very serious offensive weapon. Both his years in New Orleans and a good part of his career in New York, the main offensive sets involve Chandler's picks. He is one of the best in the business.

Clippers can hang onto Jordan if they don't want to win a championship.


And those plays result in a dunk, right? That's what I said. Chandler cannot score unless it's a dunk. DeAndre Jordan can already do that. It's not like Chandler can spot up or score in the post. He isn't an upgrade over DeAndre on the offensive end unless you factor in free throw shooting.


Yeah, OK mate.


I really don't understand how you can even disagree with that lol. If you've watched every game he's played in for the past couple years, you can probably count the times that he's scored in the post on one or two hands.

Beyond the eye test, if you look at his numbers, 86% of his shots come "at rim" AKA within 3 feet of the basket. He shot just under 70% on those shots. Anything outside of that, he shot around 40%.

Comparing him to DeAndre Jordan this year (which is obviously a small sample size, especially considering Chandler only played in 4 games so far, but that's all I have to work with with Synergy), they're used pretty much identically in terms of what kinds of plays they score off of, with the exception that Jordan scores on cuts twice as much as Chandler. But anyways, neither guy gets looks in the post (under 7% of their offense, like I said before), and they score pretty much equally in terms of points per possession.

I mean, we're talking about two guys that play over 30 minutes a game and struggle to hit double digits in points. I don't think anyone in NBA circles is going to say that either of them are anything more than below-average on the offensive end.
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Post#3230 » by seren » Thu Dec 5, 2013 8:49 pm

machu46 wrote:I really don't understand how you can even disagree with that lol. If you've watched every game he's played in for the past couple years, you can probably count the times that he's scored in the post on one or two hands.

Beyond the eye test, if you look at his numbers, 86% of his shots come "at rim" AKA within 3 feet of the basket. He shot just under 70% on those shots. Anything outside of that, he shot around 40%.

Comparing him to DeAndre Jordan this year (which is obviously a small sample size, especially considering Chandler only played in 4 games so far, but that's all I have to work with with Synergy), they're used pretty much identically in terms of what kinds of plays they score off of, with the exception that Jordan scores on cuts twice as much as Chandler. But anyways, neither guy gets looks in the post (under 7% of their offense, like I said before), and they score pretty much equally in terms of points per possession.

I mean, we're talking about two guys that play over 30 minutes a game and struggle to hit double digits in points. I don't think anyone in NBA circles is going to say that either of them are anything more than below-average on the offensive end.


DJ can dunk. That is it. He can not create space. His picks are nothing like Chandler's. Chandler creates separation for guards. DJ doesn't do that at that level. You have to account for Chandler on the offensive end.

The reason DJ can't play long minutes is due to his entire non-existence in offense and his liability as a free throw shooter. Same can't be said for Chandler. You have to account for Chandler. Chandler has gotten minutes whenever he is healthy. Back to back 33 mpg last two seasons. 35 mpg with New Orleans. His New Orleans years, entire offense was built on Tyson/CP3 pick and roll and resulting shuffles in the offense.

Seriously, what are we arguing about? One is a proven all-star, an olympic, and one of the top centers in the entire league and the other is some dude who can dunk and pretty much nothing else. Thinking back, I am taking back my trade offer.

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