[Build A Team 4.0] Discussion Thread Part II -*SPEED ROUNDS*

[Subway Token]

the triangle needs smart players and ones that can pass and shoot. kidd is one of, if not the, smartest PGs in the history of the game. morrow doesn't need handles to create for himself. the triangle is predicated on spacing and passing, and taking what the defense gives you. he doesn't have to be jordan or kobe.

In order to have a Triangle Offense, EVERY player needs to be able to pass.

Believe me, I'm not tryng to insult your intelligence because I know you are a smart dude, but I think you got this one wrong.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7muOtu2N9Og[/youtube]

Watch this clip. Look at Fisher's role. It' very small, and this is the very basic fundamental play in the triangle.

[albert]

I'm not liking the Gortat pick too much but he is one of the younger centers left I suppose.

[Jstarks3]

why? triangle works.

Too dumb for triangle and none have played it other than ariza

too dumb for triangle? great argument.

[swisscheeseD]

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[Jstarks3]

the triangle needs smart players and ones that can pass and shoot. kidd is one of, if not the, smartest PGs in the history of the game. morrow doesn't need handles to create for himself. the triangle is predicated on spacing and passing, and taking what the defense gives you. he doesn't have to be jordan or kobe.

In order to have a Triangle Offense, EVERY player needs to be able to pass.

Believe me, I'm not tryng to insult your intelligence because I know you are a smart dude, but I think you got this one wrong.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7muOtu2N9Og[/youtube]

Watch this clip. Look at Fisher's role. It' very small, and this is the very basic fundamental play in the triangle.

like the title says, its ONE triangle attack. there are many. plus, kidd has turned into one of the best 3PT shooting PGs in the league last year, shooting 42.5%, the same as nash, which is needed. having kidd only helps me, no matter what system i have.

[H20KilledHeat]

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What if we threw in a later swap also?

[Subway Token]

Yeah, it's one attack, meaning it's one play. This is a basic triangle attack. I'm not saying the triangle is BAD for you, I'm saying there were much better fits. The triangle is really un-dependant on a PG, and you have one of the better PGs... ever. It's a waste, really.

[moocow007]

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[Shorty Doo-Wop]

What if we threw in a later swap also?

sorry bro but i want to plug a hole at SF and need to move up for a target if you have a SF you wouldnt mind trading ...

[Jstarks3]

Yeah, it's one attack, meaning it's one play. This is a basic triangle attack. I'm not saying the triangle is BAD for you, I'm saying there were much better fits. The triangle is really un-dependant on a PG, and you have one of the better PGs... ever. It's a waste, really.

no its really not the basic triangle attack.

[Subway Token]

Yeah, it's one attack, meaning it's one play. This is a basic triangle attack. I'm not saying the triangle is BAD for you, I'm saying there were much better fits. The triangle is really un-dependant on a PG, and you have one of the better PGs... ever. It's a waste, really.

no its really not the basic triangle attack.

I didn't say it was THE basic, I said it was A basic attack. But you know what, whatever. I'm not going to be part of another arguement.

[H20KilledHeat]

why? triangle works.

Too dumb for triangle and none have played it other than ariza

too dumb for triangle? great argument.

some of those players arent exactly the shapest knife in the drawer...
and triangle needs a star, just look what happened when kurt rambis tried that in 'sota

[bishnykfan]

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[2010]

With the 173rd overall selection, The New Orleans Hornets select PF:

Charlie Villanueva

This was the "stretch four" I was continuously referring to.

[2010]

zen baby

No offense Jstarks...but Phil Jackson was a horrible decision considering your roster.

[Jstarks3]

Too dumb for triangle and none have played it other than ariza

too dumb for triangle? great argument.

some of those players arent exactly the shapest knife in the drawer...
and triangle needs a star, just look what happened when kurt rambis tried that in 'sota

amare's dumb? kidd's dumb?

you obviously have no idea what youre talking about.

[2010]

swiss is saying that the triangle wouldn't work with my players and that phil is a bad pick. if youre gonna say that, back it up with some explanation. wheres the discussion in that? thats all im saying.

My explanation is that those players don't fit the triangle.

Kidd is an uptempo/PnR pg. Morrow, while he can shoot, doesn't have the handles to create for himself nor the ability to facilitate for others. He's just a spot up shooter. And Amar'e is not a post presence. He's a face to the basket player in Iso sets, and looks to get out and catch the ball on the run. He's not a traditional post presence.

I'm just stating the obvious. Phil is one of the best coaches, don't get me wrong...but the objective of drafting coaches is to surround them with players that fit their system. Not just plop any ol' coach into the mix.

You are 100% on the money with this analysis. The triangle does not favor a PG who is needed to set everyone up. In fact, the triangle is an offense that generates opportunities for everyone in itself, therefore a sole facilitator isn't needed. Also, with the triange you need wings who are capable of passing, scoring, ball-handling equally well. Lastly, you definitely need a primary low-post option and neither McGee or Stoudemire are that. They are uptempo bigs who do not rely on a back-to-basket game, instead preferring to play face-up or pick and roll ball in the halfcourt. Very bad coaching decision considering your personnel. Looks like you just went with a flashy name.

[moocow007]

With the 173rd overall selection, The New Orleans Hornets select PF:

Charlie Villanueva

This was the "stretch four" I was continuously referring to.

Really? Villaneuva's skilled but he's not someone that I would consider a "stretch 4" in the traditional sense. I think Frye is better in that role. I will say that Villanueva is definitely a lot more skilled overall than Frye. Nice pick. I think he dropped because a his bad year in Piston leading to the perception (true or not can be debated forever) that his contract is bad. I do like CV though.

[2010]

With the 173rd overall selection, The New Orleans Hornets select PF:

Charlie Villanueva

This was the "stretch four" I was continuously referring to.

Really? Villaneuva's skilled but he's not someone that I would consider a "stretch 4" in the traditional sense. I think Frye is better in that role. I will say that Villanueva is definitely a lot more skilled overall than Frye. Nice pick. I think he dropped because a his bad year in Piston leading to the perception (true or not can be debated forever) that his contract is bad. I do like CV though.

I definitely consider Villanueva a "stretch four" as he pays PF full-time and he hits the 3pt shot at a healthy 1.3 3PT FGM per game. His percentage is not elite but he still makes them at a 35% 3PT% clip which the defense must respect. In truth, the Frye pick works but I still don't consider him a full-time PF. He's more of a C who can play spot minutes at PF. Why? Because Frye can't put the ball on the floor well enough and he lacks lateral quickness to guard PF's sufficiently. Most PF's nowadays would eat Frye alive when he's on defense. He's way too mechanical with his footwork defensively. Frye is a C/PF. Villanueva is a PF...a true "stretch four."

[Shorty Doo-Wop]

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