[Camelo Thread 14] - Minny, Denver and NY working!! p28

[dice]

Let me get this straight, to get Melo, all we have to do is get rid of Curry, Randolph and Chandler plus what Minnesota is giving up....?

and, most importantly, an assload of money for the extension

[truth serum]

If you guys hear a giant thud, that was TheRebel falling out of his seat after reading the wiretap article.

I almost want this trade to go through just so he feels stupid.

[RayStat]

This is crazy right here!!! Have patience Donnie is a Beast. He is playing his hand very well. I predict that this is the trade and they are not getting a penny more. this is so PERFECT!!!! Curt Henning would be proud

[nyknicks2k2]

If you guys hear a giant thud, that was TheRebel falling out of his seat after reading the wiretap article.

It looks like he's going down with the ship so you'll likely just hear someone gasping for air.

[kosmovitelli]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3491156

As mentioned above, just 2 years ago, these same billionaires gave up Marcus Camby for the right to swap 2nd rounders. They gave up a player who had, in the past year, played 79 games and averaged 9.1 points, 13.1 rebounds, 3.6 blocks, and 3.3 assists for cash savings only. The vice president of basketball operations and the GM at the time: Mark Warkentien.

Trading Marcus Camby for a $9 million TPE gave them the flexibility they needed to make moves, upgrade the team and still make money. They were burdened by the luxury tax and had to do something about it. They used that $9 mil TPE in the Billups/Dice trade with Detroit and they couldn't have added Billups contract without clearing some salaries first. That year, not only they made it to the WCF but they also had a positive operating income (because they fell under the tax level). And as someone already pointed out, the Camby trade was also made to help Nene develop and earn the (huge) extension he received.

rugby-hook wrote:I bet Curry has waived the trade kicker so that he could get his money in the off-season and satisfy his creditors. He had a major piece of litigation where he owed on a shouse, a fleet of cars, child support and other debts of relatives. NYK paid like 50% of his salary in August and probably got the kicker waived for the early payment. It also means that only a very small portion of the contract is still owed. I bet $3.0mm more than covers the remaining unpaid portion of the contract. MN takes it in this deal because it gives LT relief to Denver. The economics of this deal are the drive for Denver.

A portion of a trade kicker can only be waived to make a trade work under cap rules. A player can't waive his trade bonus in order to receive an advance. And that yearly advance was negotiated when Curry signed his contract anyway

Also, even if Curry 's salary (or any other player) was 50% paid before the season, it doesn't boost his trade value. Obviously the CBA has taken care of that.
If a player has a different payment schedule and a portion of his salary was paid before november 15 (which is usually the first installment for the current season) then if traded, his new team will have a debt to the player's previous team.

Let's take Curry as an example, he was due $11,276,863 (his 2010-2011 salary) and 50% of his salary (so approx $5.6 million) was paid before the season. If Curry had been traded in october then his new team would have owed the Knicks that amount ($5.6 million). The Knicks (like any other team) are permitted to waive a portion of that debt but then it's treated as cash compensation and counts against the $3 million limit for cash included in a trade.

As we're mid-season and already played 50 games (after Philly today), Eddy Curry only has $4.4 million left on his contract. As the amount is prorated, the trade bonus would total approx $660k. So if traded tomorrow, Curry would count for approx $11.9 million against his new team's cap and he would still be owed approx $5 million.

Usually players are paid in 12 semi-monthly installments from november 15 to the end of the season, (which is usually around april 15). As Curry and his agent negotiated a different payment schedule with Isiah Thomas and asked for 50% of his salary to be paid before the beginning of the season, I don't know where he stands right now. We played 50 games so far and Curry's compensation for 50 games is $6.9 million so if Curry received more than that (for example if the different payment schedule allowed him to receive $9 million already) then his new team will have to reimburse the Knicks the difference (we can't pay Curry in advance for games he will play for another team, outside of the $3 million cash allowed in trades). I don't know if I made myself clear but that's how it works. Therefore no advance payment can help a team circumvent the salary cap and boost a player's trade value.

[NoLayupRule]

@CSheridanESPN This was as far as D.Walsh would go on Knicks' trade prospects: "Maybe, a little more, we have a better feeling for what’s going to happen."

Looks like Walsh didn't deny the rumors. This lookingg gooooooood

You're right he didn't deny it and I think he also inferred he won't be adding Gallo/Fields/Mozgov to the trade. Walsh is playing this beautifully.

yeah, hes probably holding back on S WIlliams or Walker like thats too much but he'll give in finally to get it done.

Master GM!!

[opeth04]

Gotta give you credit for starting this topic.
First of all. Amere can play luck down D when he has to. I will agree with you the he might not doing for 48mints but when it counts he will play D. Also have you ever seen Melo play D on Kobe in the playoffs? Both those guys can play D when they want to period.
Now about sharing the ball and the glue factor.
First Melo.
Melo doesn't pass the ball all that often because the guy can't be stopped. When he gets doubled he passes the balls. Very simple.
Now you think Stat is playing great this year wait and see with Melo. A nightmare for the D. Then you add guys that can knock down open shots in Fields, Gallo, Ray ray and TD. If Timmy keeps getting better at the Center position the Knicks with Melo on this team will be a contender this year.

[delvec19]

I know I'm being greedy but I REALLY want to hold on to both Gallo and Fields. Chandler is easily the one I'd be most willing to give up out of the three. Not saying I wouldn't accept a deal with 2 of them in it though.

[east]

TheRebel will be sad when this is all over. It will just be him and the other mod posting on Denver's board.

[NYK0605]

Hopefully we can get Melo here by Friday for the game.

[GONYK]

Hopefully we can get Melo here by Friday for the game.

If by Friday, you mean the trade deadline, then sure.

[Grinditout]

@CSheridanESPN This was as far as D.Walsh would go on Knicks' trade prospects: "Maybe, a little more, we have a better feeling for what’s going to happen."

Looks like Walsh didn't deny the rumors. This lookingg gooooooood

You're right he didn't deny it and I think he also inferred he won't be adding Gallo/Fields/Mozgov to the trade. Walsh is playing this beautifully.

yeah, hes probably holding back on S WIlliams or Walker like thats too much but he'll give in finally to get it done.

Master GM!!

Even if he added Williams or Walker, it's still a great move by Donnie. If he pulls this off, he should win executive of the year.

[Marty McFly]

this doesn't have anything to do with melo but, lol at mike dantoni.

Mike D’Antoni called Donnie Walsh “great”, but was careful about not involving himself in the ongoing public debate about the future of the Knicks' president.

"Not really," said D'Antoni when asked whether he is concerned about Walsh's status. "That’s something he’ll take care of, management will take care of and it will work its way out. I got so many other problems I don’t…I need to worry about the rebounding and stuff like that. You do your job and hang in there and it usually works for everybody."

The Knicks have until April 30th to pick up Walsh's fourth-year option.

“I’m not on edge, not wondering,” said D'Antoni. “This is a business. There’s rumors about everything. There’s rumors about trades. If you start worrying about everything…that’s the NBA. The NBA works in a way and you just ride along with it and do the best job you can do and control what you can control. And that’s where I put my efforts into. I don’t spend any time worrying about it.”

Walsh has said that he enjoys working for owner James Dolan, but sources say Dolan is closer with D'Antoni.

“I feel like Donnie’s done everything he can do but I don’t have an opinion,” D’Antoni said. “I’ve got to focus on what I’m doing. I’m not an opinion maker. I let you guys do that."

[knickabocker88]

No more 40pt games for Amar'e

/green font

[NoLayupRule]

I know I'm being greedy but I REALLY want to hold on to both Gallo and Fields. Chandler is easily the one I'd be most willing to give up out of the three. Not saying I wouldn't accept a deal with 2 of them in it though.

You, me, all the fans and apparently Donnie as well.

It really looks like he has been waiting in the wings and now that the deadline is almost here is swooping in to make a great play!!!!

[BasicBall]

NY will probably come back with Melo, Ridnour and Ely.....I bet Donnie does not give up Wilson, Gallo or Fields in this deal. Denver does not like any of those guys, so they would rather get their hands on Brewer (who is pretty damn good, but wasting away in Minny)

I bet Donnie sends Curry, Randolph, Mason and Walker to Minny. Denver will get Turiaf, Brewer, Azuibuke and a Minnesota 1st rounder and 2014 1st rounder from NY plus cash.

NY will get Melo, Ridnour and Ely

WATCH! Deal of the century

Amare
Melo
Gallo
Fields
Felton

Moz
Chandler
Douglas
Ridnour

WATCH!!!!!

[GONYK]

NY will probably come back with Melo, Ridnour and Ely.....I bet Donnie does not give up Wilson, Gallo or Fields in this deal. Denver does not like any of those guys, so they would rather get their hands on Brewer (who is pretty damn good, but wasting away in Minny)

I bet Donnie sends Curry, Randolph, Mason and Walker to Minny. Denver will get Turiaf, Brewer, Azuibuke and a Minnesota 1st rounder and 2014 1st rounder from NY plus cash.

NY will get Melo, Ridnour and Ely

WATCH! Deal of the century

Amare
Melo
Gallo
Fields
Felton

Moz
Chandler
Douglas
Ridnour

WATCH!!!!!

I bet there is no way that happens.

[Knicker23]

It really is great to hear this type of thing, despite whether it's 100% true, at this juncture... If we can do something remotely similar to what was said it would be huge.... I think it's a given that random throw ins will be added to the trade Brou-tard tweeted; like Walker, perhaps Azu, maybe Tony D.. but so long as we hold onto Gallo Fields and Mozzy, things will be good.

I'm not sure I see Denver holding out this long and then bring the fans Brewer, and the guy who is on record saying he doesn't want to go to Denver, Chandler.. and a pick... Yeah they'll save a bunch of money, but i'm not sure that'd be enough

[DonJuanCapistro]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4ddsx68
Denver Trades:
Melo
AL

Denver Gets:
Brewer
Chandler
Walker
Azubuike
Utah 1st
NYK 2014 1st

Minny Trades:
Ridnour
Brewer
2011 uta 1st

Minny Gets:
Douglas
AR
Curry
Mason
3 mil cash NYK

NY Trades:
Chandler
Douglas
Walker
Mason
Azubuike
Curry
2014 1st
3 mil cash

This deal makes the most sense to me if only chandler is the major piece going out. Minny gets douglas on his rookie deal, AR, Mason as cap filler. I dont think they'd view ridnour higher than douglas because of his contract.

The knicks take back AL and send walker. AL would suck to have but He'd be amazing off the bench. this gives both minny and denver long term savings.

NY Lineup:
Felton
Fields
Gallo
Melo
Amare

Bench: AL, Mozgov, Turiaf, Williams, RIdnour

the only thing really lacking would be a true sg, which we have seemed to function without all season.

[BrOnXKing1]

I dont understand how Denver can give up Carmelo (17 mil) and only take back Chandler (2 mil) and Brewer (4 mil) in the deal that is being reported. Wouldnt Denver have to take back Curry to make it work under that salary cap rules or does Denver have a trade exception?