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First I will show the format that I will judge everyone on.
Poster
Team
Rotation or Roster
1. Win Now Offense 1-10
2. Win Now Defense 1-10
3. Win Future 1-20
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll 1-20
Total: 1-60
Note: 1s and 10s (or 20s) will be very rare. I will only give one out if I feel that team is the worst in the league or the best in the league in that category. This will result in more values surrounding the middle (3-7 or 6-14). I also judge assuming that 5 (or 10) would be the middle of the league.
1. mpharris36
Spurs B.A.T.
C - Howard (38) Jeffries (10)
PF - Allen (25) Bonner (15) LeBron (8)
SF - LeBron (30) Howard (15) Young (3)
SG - Nick Young (27) Redd (13) Green (8)
PG - Hinrich (30) Lucas (18)
HC - Eric Spoelstra
1. Win Now Offense – 9.5. LeBron and Dwight surrounded by shooters is not a bad way to go on offense. Young can also create his own shot when Dwight/LeBron have to rest. But really, both LeBron and Dwight put up bid scoring numbers on incredible efficiency, and will be nearly unstoppable.
2. Win Now Defense – 9. Outside of LeBron and Dwight, there aren’t many high quality defenders. Hinrich isn’t bad, and Allen showed a bit of promise in the playoffs, but I’m not sure they will be consistent. Obviously LeBron and Dwight are 2 of the top 5 defensive players in the league, so you aren’t lacking here either.
3. Win Future – 13.5. Going back to LeBron and Dwight again, both are in their mid-twenties and should be at this level for a few more years. However, in 5 years, Dwight will have 13 years as a pro, LeBron will have 14, and even though they will be in their low 30s, they could have a fairly quick decline.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 10.5. Durability is a concern with a lot of players, Hinrich, Dwight, Redd, J Howard, and could get your team in trouble if a few go down in the playoffs, but the coaching and low payroll balance that out. I’m glad you put guys who can hit threes next to your stars, it’s a smart fit.
Total: 42.5
2. crazybranman360
Build A Team- Utah Jazz
G: Mike Conley Jr./Rodrigue Beaubois/Will Bynum
G: Kyle Korver/Toney Douglas/
F: Kevin Durant/Matt Barnes/Bobby Simmons
F: Chris Bosh/Reggie Evans/Brian Scalabrine
C: Kendrick Perkins/Omir Asik
HC- Byron Scott
1. Win Now Offense – 9. Having the best scorer on your team and an ideal 2nd option is a great combo. Korver spaces the floor well, and Conley is a good distributor. Perkins can grab some offensive rebounds and Roddy is a decent 6th man.
2. Win Now Defense – 7.5. One of the better center rotations on defense and a good coach help here. Durant is constantly improving at this end, and Bosh and Conley are both rock solid. It’s a bit thin on D, but the core is elite.
3. Win Future – 14.5. Durant is only 23, and even if you kept him and only him for the next 10 years you would still be in contention. Conley is still young, and Asik and Roddy are too.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll –10.5. Good payroll, good coach, good durability. Very thin in terms of depth (Conley is only guard who should be getting big minutes), and the talent isn’t quite there at the SG. The fit is pretty good though.
Total: 41.5
T3. CoolKids
Philadelphia Sixers BAT:
Head Coach David Joerger
PG:Jameer Nelson/ Shaun Livingston
SG:Wes Matthews/ Mike Miller
SF: Danny Granger/ Mbah a Molute T-Mac
PF: Lamarcus Aldridge/ Tristan Thompson
C: Chris Kaman/ Nikola Vuceviv/Jeremy Tyler
1. Win Now Offense – 8.5. Very defined 1-5 offensive options on the starting line (LMA 1, Granger 2, Nelson 3/4, Kaman 3/4, Matthews 5) which is great for a team chemistry wise. I feel like this team has so many options on offense it would be extremely hard to defend. Post up Kaman or LMA, drive and dish with Nelson or Granger, iso with LMA or Granger, P&R with Nelson and LMA, bring Matthews or Granger off screens, it just seems like there are a ton of high quality offensive options in the starting 5. Lacking a 6th man type though.
2. Win Now Defense – 6.5. You have a few great defenders (Matthews, Moute, Thompson) a few above average ones (Granger, LMA) and a few that are below average (Kaman,Nelson). I think this team can be a good defensive unit as a whole (even with a few players lacking in some defensive areas) and that if you get in trouble, Joerger will bring in guys like Moute and Thompson to throw off the other teams rhythm.
3. Win Future – 13. Most of the guys on your team are in their primes, but young primes. I can see this team contending for a good 5 years, and then you got guys like Thompson coming up. However, I don’t know what will happen after that, as Thompson can’t carry a team, and the chances you find a gem in the draft by then are pretty slim.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 12. As mentioned in other categories, I think the fit is tremendous. Pretty good on the durability scale too. Joerger hasn’t had much experience as a NBA HC, but that isn’t to say he won’t be a good one. I like the depth on this team (a bit thin at the guards tho), but the payroll is also pretty high (just in my head, it looks to be around 70M).
Total: 40
T3. islanders11040
Indiana Pacers B.A.T 7
HC-George Karl
Pg-Dragic/Ridnour
Sg-J Richardson/ Deshawn Stevenson/Ben Uzoh
Sf-Hayward/A Daye/Moon
Pf-Love/Al Harrington/T Murphy
C- Noah/stiemsma
1. Win Now Offense – 8. Remarkable spacing, from Love and Harrington to Dragic and Ridnour and most people in between. Has a go-to scorer in Love, and Noah crashing the offensive boards helps. Dragic was 18/8/4 on 61 TS% as a starter, just fantastic, and Hayward seems to be getting better each year.
2. Win Now Defense – 4.5. Noah is a good anchor, very smart and active on D, and Hayward has his moments for sure. Dragic also can be good at times on D, but is inconsistent. Stevenson is a scrappy defender off the bench, but guys like Harrington, Richardson and Ridnour all have to be hidden on defense.
3. Win Future – 15. The Love/Noah front court should be dominant for a long time, and Hayward gets better every year. Dragic is 26, and seems to be just getting into his prime, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he plays at this level 5-6 more years.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 12.5. Durability is a question mark with a few players, but it’s not a huge concern. Karl is a great coach, I like his ability to take whatever he has and motivate them to work hard out there. If Dragic can get into the paint consistently, I think this team has an incredible fit, because he is surrounded by shooters on the perimeter.
Total: 40
T5. LJ4pointplay
Avery Johnson's WOLF PACK:
C: Hibbert / Hayes / B. Wallace / R Hollins
PF: T Gibson /DJ White/ Childress/ Clark
SF: Deng / T Williams/ Childress
SG: Sefolasha / Stuckey/ V Wafer
PG: C Paul / Stuckey / A Carter
1. Win Now Offense – 8. Hibbert/Deng/Paul is fantastic on offense, and Stuckey as a 6th man is a nice punch, but outside of that, there is very little consistent offense. Paul, with his talents, does make up for some of that, and Gibson could turn into a 11-13 PPG scorer, but it’s not perfect.
2. Win Now Defense – 9.5. Starting line may be as good defensively as anyones. Gibson, Thabo and Deng are top of the top in terms of man-to-man defense, and Paul and Hibbert are both above average. Hibbert isn’t the ideal defensive center, which is why it’s not a 10, but that is a minor detail in the whole thing.
3. Win Future – 13.5. I like, but don’t love, this team’s chances in the future. There isn’t really that one prospect that has the chance to be the star in the future, but none of this team is very old to start with. If guys like Gibson, Williams and Stuckey can be long term (5-7 years) starters, I see this team as a top one for a long time, being led by the vets, but if not, this team loses its title hopes in 4 or 5 years (which is nothing to complain about, and is why your ranking is still well above average).
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 8. Payroll is fine, fit together is good, but depth, durability and coaching are concerns. Avery Johnson is an ok coach, but I’m not sure he helps your team move forward a ton. Thabo played 21.8 MPG this year, Taj played 20.4. Having these guys as starters with a team of an average bench is a concern for me. Even if you play each of them 24 MPG, Stuckey will play around 34 MPG total (10 behind Paul, 24 behind Thabo) and should White (or sometimes Hayes) really be playing 16-20+ MPG on a title contender? At times, your starting 5 could be one of the best, but you have players playing more minutes than in RL, which leaves very little error for any injuries or fatigue.
Total: 39
T5. Mecca
Los Angeles Lakers
HC: Nate McMillan
PG - Derrick Rose - Mario Chalmers - Norris Cole
SG - Iman Shumpert - Vince Carter - Reggie Williams
SF - Danilo Gallinari - Vince Carter - Derrick Brown
PF - Brook Lopez - Glen Davis
C - Marcus Camby - Joel Anthony
1. Win Now Offense – 7. Rose/Gallo/Lopez provides three great offensive weapons to go to at any time. With Shump, Williams and Camby hitting jumpers, VC and Chalmers leading the 2nd unit, I think this is a strong offense.
2. Win Now Defense – 5.5. Shump is a lock down defender, and Anthony+Camby are decent enough anchors. However, Lopez could get beat a ton playing at the 4, especially with more teams going a bit smaller these days. Also don’t see any bench players that really stand out on D.
3. Win Future – 14.5. The perimeter will be terrific for years to come, and if you draft a defensive 4 sometime in here, allowing Lopez to move to the 5, then I could see a big time contender in 2-4 years. Rose’s injury has me concerned that he may not be the same in the future though.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 12. I like the coach, payroll is nice this year (but Rose’s contract and Lopez’s contract next year will change that) and the team is fairly deep (low on the big man depth, but good on the perimeter). Don’t like Lopez at the 4, but the rest of your lineup compliments each other.
Total: 39
T5. smha201
BAT - Cleveland Cavaliers:
H.C.: T. Thibodeau
PG: Russell Westbrook / JJ Barea / Nolan Smith
SG: Danny Green / Gerald Henderson
SF: Shawn Marion / Marcus Morris / Sasha Pavlovic
PF: Zach Randolph / Brandan Wright / Tobias Harris
C: Channing Frye / Ekpe Udoh
1. Win Now Offense – 8.5. Westbrook+Zbo puts a lot of pressure on the D as a 1-2 punch, and they score in different ways, so if one is struggling, the other one might have more success. The starting lineup has exceptional spacing, although it certainly could have trouble if both ZBo and Westbrook have off-nights. I like Hendo as a 6th man for this team.
2. Win Now Defense 6. Good wing defenders all around (WB, Marion, Green, Hendo), but the starting front court is pretty weak on D, and usually that’s most important. Thibs should help with this, which is why the rating is above average, but it is still a concern. Udoh off of the bench helps too.
3. Win Future – 14. WB is a great piece to build around long-term. He can carry a team now and later, and is fairly easy to build around. I lot of the prospects you have haven’t got a ton of burn in the NBA, but have high potential, like Harris and Morris. Udoh is also young, could be a future D anchor, and Green can also be part of a future team, along with Hendo.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 10.5. The fit is great on offense, but Udoh would be much better with the starters on defense. Coach is amazing, and helps with some of the needs on the team. If ZBo goes down with another injury, your team will struggle on offense when WB has to sit. A few other players have had injury-filled pasts as well (Barea, Hendo, ect) so durability isn’t something to ignore here.
Total: 39
T8. Jose7©
C: DeMarcus Cousins (32) - Kosta Koufos (16)
F: Elton Brand (28) - Trevor Booker (16) - Marvin Williams (4)
F: Andre Iguodala (34) - Marvin Williams (14)
G: Klay Thompson (32) - Jordan Crawford (16)
G: Stephen Curry (32) - Greivis Vasquez (16)
Spot Minutes: Mickael Pietrus, Luke Babbit
Inactive List: Hassan Whiteside, Malcolm Lee
1. Win Now Offense – 7. Terrific shooting, and a few nice post players with a point forward, it’s a good basis for a strong offense. Youth, inefficient bigs, and injury concerns (will all players be on the floor all season long?) hold back from a truly great offense.
2. Win Now Defense – 2.5. Iggy really helps this rating, but outside of him (and Marvin) you have average/below average defenders. This could certainly change down the road, if Cousins becomes a better anchor, but for now it is below average.
3. Win Future – 16.5. I am a firm believer that having vets on a young team with help them develop, and this is a perfect case of it. Having Brand, Iggy and Marvin take some pressure off of Curry, Cousins and Klay so that they can develop correctly is good. Plus, both Curry and Cousins have All-Star potential IMO, and could reach it with Collins helping them along with the vets.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 11. Coach is good fit with the team, payroll is excellent for the caliber of team, and is reasonably durable (outside of Curry I don’t see many injury concerns). It’s very much lacking team defense, which hurts this rating, and some of the talents overlap (Brand/Cousins in the post as an example). Not bad though.
Total: 37
T8. NewEra
Orlando Magic - BAT 7
PG: Raymond Felton/ Derek Fisher/ Ish Smith
SG: Manu Ginobili/ Jamal Crawford
SF: Tayshaun Prince/ Steve Novak/ Travis Outlaw
PF: Kevin Garnett/ Brandon Bass/ Luke Harangody
C: Andrew Bynum/ Johan Petro/
HC: Doc Rivers
1. Win Now Offense – 8.5. There are a whole bunch of players that could go off for big nights at any time. Bynum/KG complement each other nicely, and having three ball-handlers (Crawford, Felton, Manu) will help the offense run. I’m not sure Felton is a good enough starting PG for an elite offense, and it lacks a perimeter “take the game over” guy, but the efficiency and experience will carry this team to a good offense.
2. Win Now Defense – 8.5. There are few defensive holes on this team, and Doc is a great defensive coach. KG by himself pretty much makes this team good on D, adding in guys like Bynum and Prince makes this team significantly above average in this category.
3. Win Future – 7. It’s not horrible, because Bynum will be good for a long time, but KG/Prince/Manu/Fisher are all on their last legs (Prince not as much, but still) and could retire any day now. Will be a title contender as long as the core stays intact, but after that it’s just Bynum.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 13. Payroll is high, but the team can justify it. The team seems to fit very well together, has enough play making, shooting, defense, low post scoring, perimeter scoring, ect. Depth is kinda meh, there are two good bench players (Crawford and Bass), but I’m not sure guys like Petro and Novak should be key parts of the rotation. Perfect coach, I will say that.
Total: 37
10. Fury
Suns
PG: Jeremy Lin/Nate Robinson
SG: Kevin Martin/Rudy Fernandez/Raja Bell
SF: Gerald Wallace/Stephen Jackson/Davis Bertans
PF: Kenyon Martin/Boris Diaw/Dominic McGuire
C: Marc Gasol/Joel Przybilla/Jason Collins
Head Coach: Kevin McHale
1. Win Now Offense – 6.5. Very diverse offense with many different options. Martin is an efficient scorer, Gasol is a great post presence, Lin can shake things up with his drives, and Diaw is definitely a unique talent.
2. Win Now Defense – 6. Lin/Martin/Nate are pretty bad on defense, but looking at guys like Wallace, Kenyon and Jackson makes up for that. Gasol is a solid anchor, and Joel provides even more toughness. Decent 3rd string guys too in Bell and Collins.
3. Win Future – 6.5. Lin is still young, and Gasol will be around another 5-7 years at respectable play, but outside of that, most people are at or around 30. I can see the contender window closing after 2-3 years for this team, unless some youth is added.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 17.5. Tremendous fit and versatility from top to bottom of the lineup. You really have 5 bigs who can play decent minutes, and 5 wings who can do the same. I don’t like Nate as a backup PG, but he can score the ball. Coach is good for the team, I think he will help Gasol continue as a pro. Financial flexibility is coming in the next years with many players have contracts moving around.
Total: 36.5
11. BowlRips
BAT 7.0 - Golden State Warriors
PG JRUE HOLIDAY/ DELONTE WEST
SG JAMES HARDEN/ XAVIER HENRY/WAYNE ELLINGTON
SF CJ MILES/ JEFF GREEN
PF PAUL MILSAP/ DARREL ARTHUR
C JAVALEE MCGEE/ TYRUS THOMAS/SEMIH ERDEN
HEAD COACH: LAWRENCE FRANK
1. Win Now Offense – 6.5. I don’t like Miles as a starter and McGee can be a bit clueless on this end of the floor, but Jrue/Harden/Milsap is quite the offensive trio. If Green can return to his old form and McGee can get smarter (?) this team could be nearly limitless. Jrue as a scorer and Harden as a distributor is a terrific backcourt.
2. Win Now Defense – 5. When McGee is focused, this team is very strong on D, but he is still very inconsistent. Jrue has the length, but is he elite yet? Milsap and Harden are both solid as well, but nothing special.
3. Win Future – 13. Harden is looking like he will be a perennial All-Star, Jrue is project as an above-average PG, and McGee showed some good stuff in the playoffs.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll –11. The durability is not so good, both Green and Arthur are coming off season-ending injuries, that’s always gotta be a concern. I do like the fit though (Harden/Jrue is very nice). The coach and payroll fit with the team (although you may have to pay big this summer to keep some players).
Total: 35.5
12. Lin Your Face
OKC Thunder BAT
Coach Mike Malone
PG John Wall/Shelvin Mack
SG Paul George/Avery Bradley/Elliot Williams
SF Kawhi Leonard/Jimmy Butler/Kyle Singler/Bojan Bogdanovic
PF Derrick Williams/Dante Cunningham/Jajuan Johnson
C Greg Monroe/BJ Mullens/Greg Oden
1. Win Now Offense –1.5. Wall is still inefficient and turnover prone, Williams has yet to develop a consistent game and George, Leonard and Bradley are very much defensive roll players at this point. Monroe could do some damage, but I think it’s too much for 1 person. Lack of experience hurts in this area.
2. Win Now Defense – 2.5. Athletic ability and strong defense on the wings gets you in the 25-20 range (in terms of where your defense ranks league wide), but lack of an anchor or any strong defense down low will hold the team back.
3. Win Future – 17.5. I don’t like not having some vets to show your youngsters the way, the team is almost too young. However, there is no doubt this team is full of talent, and I like getting a young, new HC to grow with them. If you spend a bit of money in FA to grab some professional vets I could see this team become a title contender in 2-4 years.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll –13.5. Once again (comes into this category as well) I don’t like that there are no savvy vets to help this young team along, but in terms of talents and skills, this team does fit together. I like Malone with the team as well, and it is pretty durable. Terrific payroll, could use that to sign more talent.
Total: 35
13. br7knicks
HC: Larry Drew
Augustin 30/Jenkins 14/Telfair 4
Wade 32/Jones 16/
Battier 18/Young 26/Kleiza 4
Lee 32/Kleiza 16/Williams 0
Jordan 28/Seraphin 20/Williams 0
1. Win Now Offense – 7.5. Lacking a true 3rd option, but the Wade/Lee P&R will be nasty. Role players know their roles, Battier and Augustin will hit threes, Jordan will catch lobs/crash OREBs. Young is a nice piece to have to lead the 2nd unit.
2. Win Now Defense – 6. Lee is pretty bad on D, and so is Augustin. You do have some good wing defenders in Battier, Young and Jones. Jordan can block shots, but he is a rather poor man-to-man defender in the post, and still has things to learn about not chasing blocks and staying back for rebounds.
3. Win Future – 6.5. This team is clearly built for the now. Jenkins is nice, and Seraphin could be a monster soon, Jordan is still young, but outside of that, most of the team is in their prime, and probably won’t get a whole lot better.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 14.5. This team fits together like a glove, you can put out a whole bunch of different lineups, and it has plenty of depth. I would’ve liked to see a better coach with this team, and there are a few injury concerns with your top players, but the payroll is fine, and again, the fit is very good.
Total: 34.5
T14. Knicksfan20
PORTLAND TRAILBLAZERS
HC: Lionel Hollins
C: Anderson Varejao/Hill/Aaron Gray/JJ
PF:J.J Hickson/JordanHill/Gay/Jon Leur/Brackins
SF:Rudy Gay/Derozan/Webster/Jordan Hamilton
SG:Webster/Derozan/Barbosa/JH
PG:Ricky Rubio/Patty Mills/Barbosa/Gaines
1. Win Now Offense – 4.5. I see this as slightly below average ATM. The only players who can really drive the offense are DD, Gay and Rubio, and both DD and Rubio have a ways to go before they can really carry an offense (both are poor shooters). Hurts that there is no post up threat big man and/or no elite P&R big.
2. Win Now Defense – 6.5. Pretty much everyone on your team is an average to solid defender, minus a few bench warmers. I could see a team that is great at contesting shots and cutting off easy buckets, but it lacks a shot blocker, which would really help with guys driving the lane in the playoffs.
3. Win Future – 13.5. Rubio alone almost makes this a 7 or 8, add in Derozan, Hickson, Gay, and I can see a bright future for this team. Drafting a C who can score and block shots (like Drummond) would set your team up perfectly for title chances.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth, Payroll – 9.5. Fit is very good, Rubio will help with the lack of scoring down low, Webster and AV will know their roles, and Gay and Derozan as the scorers, I like that. However, AV has a nasty injury history, Gay just came off a shoulder injury, and Rubio went down this year too, which is why it’s only a 10. Payroll is solid, good for the quality of team you have.
Total: 34
T14. NYStateofMind
HC: Alvin Gentry
PG: Jeff Teague/Lou Williams/Earl Watson
SG: Joe Johnson/MarShon Brooks/Lou Williams/Marquis Daniels
SF: Wilson Chandler/James Johnson/James Singleton/Marquis Daniels
PF: Antawn Jamison/Marreese Speights/Tiago Splitter/Vernon Macklin
C: Marcin Gortat/Tiago Splitter/Marreese Speights/Dexter Pittman
1. Win Now Offense – 7. Lots of offensive options, not many that are very efficient though. Lots of good, smart players on O who can spread the floor, and your 2nd unit is filled with guys who can create offense. Coach will help push the ball.
2. Win Now Defense – 4.5. Some good D, some bad. C and SF are both concrete with defensive players, but the other three positions are kinda meh. I think there will be plenty to get you into the playoffs, but I doubt your team ever sees the CF, and will have trouble getting to the 2nd round.
3. Win Future – 8.5. There is a decent amount of youth on this team (Brooks, Teague, James Johnson), but nothing that really sticks out as a future star. Gortat and Chandler are young enough to be part of a team in 3-5 years though.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 14. Coach fits the team soundly IMO, and the depth is very good. Lots of overlapping talent, however, which may not be the worst thing (because a guy like Brooks could learn from JJ), but I think the lineup could be more effective with a distributor at the point. JJ’s contract is pretty horrible, but you have very little else that’s long term, so it may not hurt you as much as it would have others.
Total: 34
T14. Smoke24
BAT Chicago Bulls...
HC: M. Woodson
PG/SG: Monta Ellis/PG: J. Jack/PG: A.J. Price
SG: Tony Allen/SG/SF: L. Fields
SF: Caron Butler/J. Dudley/D. James
PF/C: Pau Gasol/PF: J. Harrelson/ SF/PF: A. Randolph
C: R. Lopez/Jason Smith/J. Valanciunas/S. Alabi
1. Win Now Offense – 6.5. I like Ellis at the PG, he’s been putting up 5-6 APG over the past years, I think he can do it. Gasol adds a post threat that can help your team in the half court. Allen and Smith aren’t much, but they aren’t negatives, and Butler has lost some of his game, but can still put up 12-14 PPG each night. Not a championship quality offense, but not bad.
2. Win Now Defense – 7.5. Allen and Butler is a great wing combo for defense, they can lock down a ton of people. Ellis at the 1 allows him to cover PGs more, which he can do. Gasol is solid, not amazing on D, and Smith/Lopez/Val can stand in the middle and take charges/block shots.
3. Win Future – 10.5. A lot hinges on how Valanciunas pans out, but it looks like he could be a star. Ellis/Fields/Dudley are also pretty young and could help in years to come, but a lot of the core (Gasol/Butler/Allen) is on the wrong side of 30 and won’t help you much longer.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 9.5. I don’t like the fit or depth very much. It seems like of the top 8 players, 6 are on the perimeter and 2 are in the post. Upgrading C and/or backup PF would have been a smart move IMO, because a guy like Dudley or Jack can easily be a starter on some teams, but I wouldn’t want Lopez and Harrelson playing 20+ minutes combined. Coach is decent, payroll is a tad high, but nothing to lose points over, and the durability is pretty good (outside of Butler).
Total: 34
17. ezmoney707
BAT Houston Rockets:
PG: Brandon Knight/Kemba Walker/Reggie Jackson
SG:Kobe Bryant/Alec Burks/Keith Bogans
SF: Chris Singleton/Sam Young/Lance Stephensen
PF:Carlos Boozer/Tyler Hansbrough/Nikola Mirotic
C:Nene/Mozgov/Yi
Head Coach: Brian Shaw
1. Win Now Offense – 8. Two bigs who can post up, run the P&R and hit mid-range shots combined with a top 2 SG and a young PG to help distribute? Very, very good. I see Kemba growing nicely as a 6th man on a team filled with vets, and the Knight/Kobe combo is perfect.
2. Win Now Defense – 3.5. You have a few good individual defenders (Kobe, Singleton, Hansbrough), but as a team, the defense may be your weak spot. Niether Boozer nor Nene are great help defenders, and that could really hurt if any of your perimeter players get beat.
3. Win Future – 11.5. Not as bad as most contending teams, a core of Mozgov/Tyler H/Burks/Knight/Kemba/Mirotic wouldn’t be too bad as the older players start to fade. No potential stars though, so it’s not a team I would count on as a contender in 5 years.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll –10.5. Payroll is expensive and it is long term (Kobe makes like 85M over three years, Nene is on 5 year deal, all in 7 degits, and Boozer is over 13M every year left on his deal). Coach fits the team pretty good, the fit is excellent on O, mediocre on D and the depth is very good outside of SF.
Total: 33.5
T18. 2010
Atlanta Hawks: Mike Brown (HC)
Roster:
PG — Kyrie Irving | George Hill | Josh Selby
SG — Arron Afflalo | Manny Harris
SF — Grant Hill | Charlie Villanueva | Gary Forbes
PF — Drew Gooden | Lamar Odom
C — Andrew Bogut | Andray Blatche
1. Win Now Offense – 3.5. You have a few smart offensive roll players like Hill and Bogut, but the offense will mainly be driven by rookie PG Irving and Afflalo. I don’t think it’s a bad offense per say, but it certainly lacks some scoring, unselfishness and efficiency in the overall rotation.
2. Win Now Defense – 7.5. Hill and Afflalo are both very strong perimeter defenders, and Bogut is top 3 on D when healthy. I think this team is a solid top 10 on defense with Bogut healthy. Gooden, Odom and Blatche hurt this rating, however.
3. Win Future – 13.5. Irving will be great in the future, a true franchise player, and Afflalo is young enough to be part of a future core. Unfortunately, none of the other players are probably going to be a big part of a team 3-5 years down the road, which is why the rating isn’t higher.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 6.5. Not very good depth (no true backup C, Gooden shouldn’t prolly be a starter to begin with), but the coach is good for sure. Payroll is high, and the long contracts of Gooden, Vilanueva and Blatche don’t help. The fit is pretty solid (starting perimeter fits well), but it isn’t a very durable team.
Total: 31
T18. albert
PG: Andre Miller / Beno Udrih / Jonny Flynn
SG: OJ Mayo / JR Smith / Daniel Gibson
SF: Carmelo Anthony / Corey Maggette / Chris Wright
PF: David West / Gustavo Ayon / Donantas Montiejunas
C: Tim Duncan / Kwame Brown / Chris Wilcox
Coach: Rick Carlisle
1. Win Now Offense – 8.5. You have 7-8 guys who are very good on offense, enough ball movement, and a top tier scorer (Melo) to help as a to-to-guy. Miller isn’t an ideal distributor, but he can get the job done, and Duncan/West are both good post options.
2. Win Now Defense – 4.5. Out of the 5 starters, Duncan is really the only one that is above average on D. Melo can be good at times, and West tries hard (but isn’t that good), but the defense just isn’t there. Carlisle helps a bit, and Duncan is certainly a top tier anchor, but the lack of D from 1-5 is hard to ignore.
3. Win Future – 6.5. Montiejunas is the only true prospect you have, and I think he could be pretty good in a few years. Mayo is young, and could get better, and Ayon could be a useful big for a while, but everyone else is pretty old.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 11.5. Massive payroll, is the team good enough to justify it? The offensive fit is very good, could’ve used some more defense. However, Mayo and Smith’s skills overlap a ton (and have scarily similar stats). The coach is a proven winner, which is good, and there is good depth too.
Total: 31
20. Im Coming Home
Nuggets BAT 7
C: Tyson Chandler/Darko Milicic
PF: Josh Smith/Michael Beasley/Hakim Warrick
SF: Michael Beasley/Shawne Williams/Brandon Rush
SG: Brandon Rush/Rip Hamilton/Daequan Cook
PG: Jason Kidd/Jerryd Bayless/Mike Bibby
HC: Frank Vogel
1. Win Now Offense – 4. I see this as a below average offense. You should get consistent production from Smith, Kidd and Hamilton, but Beasley could drop 25 one night, and then 5 points on 8 shots the next. I’m not sure Rush is a reliable option on offense either.
2. Win Now Defense – 8.5. Talk about shot blocking and help defense! Teams will be scared to drive on you with DPOY Chandler and shot blocking Smoove guarding the paint. Kidd provides a solid perimeter defender too. Beasley gets beat more than he should, and guys like Bayless and Hamilton aren’t much on D, but with that front court you shouldn’t see a whole lot of issues.
3. Win Future – 4.5. Most of the guys are win now players, with very little youth. Smith is only like 25 though, and Beasley is younger than that along with Bayless.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 12.5. I think you have a good identity with strong D and running up and down the floor, led by your bigs. Durability is average, I’m not sure I love Vogel for this team, but it’s not horrible, payroll should be fine. I don’t quite get having a 38 year old Kidd run a fast offense, and Darko, in his lack of mobility, is also a wonder for me, but nothing to get nit-picky about. Above average depth as well.
Total: 29.5
T21. Grinditout
B.A.T Memphis
PG:Tony Parker/Steve Blake/Keyon Dooling
SG:Marco Belinelli/Ben Gordon/Lester Hudson
SF:Mike Dunleavy Jr./James Jones/Alan Anderson
PF:Serge Ibaka/Josh McRoberts/K. Fesenko
C:Al Jefferson/Ian Mahinmi/Darryl Watkins
HC:Tyrone Corbin
1. Win Now Offense – 6.5. Parker driving the lane, Jefferson posting up with shooters around them is a pretty good set up. Lacks a 3rd option, and Jefferson (1b option) isn’t very efficient at 52 TS%, which could hold your team back a bit. Leadership of Parker on this end should keep them in it, however.
2. Win Now Defense – 4. Ibaka at 3.7 BPG is pretty insane, and he really helps your team on this end. Outside of him it is insanely thin in terms of high quality defensive players. Beli and Dunleavey can fit into good defensive schemes, but I’m not sure that this team has a good enough defensive core to help average defenders fit in.
3. Win Future – 6. Ibaka is young and provides a very unique talent both now and in the future. Parker is 30 though, and Jefferson 27, so it’s not like there’s nothing behind Ibaka, but I wouldn’t count on many other players still being themselves in 4-5 years.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll –12.5. Depth is good (solid 2nd unit, Dooling, Fesenko solid in 3rd unit), coach is average, payroll is fine for the team. The fit is actually really good, Ibaka’s help defense masks Jefferson’s lack of help D, and getting shooters around a perimeter and post threat (Parker/Jefferson) is, again, a good fit.
Total: 29
T21. Paco
Starters - Sessions, Allen, Parsons, Bargnani, and Horford.
Bench Unit - Maynor, Mo, Pondexter, Jerebko, Collison
3rd String - Pargo, Martin, Samuels
Coach - Mike Budenhozer
1. Win Now Offense – 7. This is a very efficient offense, that can spread the floor probably as good as anyone. However, I don’t really see that elite post threat, or perimeter player who can get to the rim all the time that would make the spacing such a dangerous threat. A Tony Parker type would make this team one of the best offenses in the league.
2. Win Now Defense – 3. Outside of Horford the D is very weak. I do agree that Bargs isn’t a horrible defender, but his lack of rebounding also contributes to his bad D, not just his man-to-man. We saw Allen get abused time after time in the playoffs on D, and Sessions is ok, but how much can a PG really change the defense?
3. Win Future – 10. I think this team has a reasonable future. Horford is still young enough to be the future D anchor, Parsons looks like a long-term starter, and Maynor could be there in the long run too. Could use a good lotto pick to inject some offense though.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 9. The depth is ordinary (have a few good backups, and a few not so good backups), the coach has the ability to be good, although is not proven at NBA level yet. The fit is unexceptional, it’s sorta balanced on O and D, but on O it really needs someone who can get to the rack consistently, to initiate the offense.
Total: 29
23. kneega
BAT KINGS
PG Rondo | Arenas | Neal
SG G.Green | R.Brewer | Mike James
SF Artest | Chase | Ivan Johnson
PF Amir | Markieff Morris | Amundson
C J.Thompson | L.Sanders | Haddadi
HC Pop
1. Win Now Offense – 1.5. There isn’t a guy on the team who you can give the ball to a say “gimme two points”, there isn’t a scoring wing, nor a post-up big, nor a spark-plug off the bench. Rondo will help get people involved, but he is much more effective with scorers around him.
2. Win Now Defense – 6. The team does have solid defenders from 1-12, but there isn’t like a top tier anchor or an “I will shut you down” defensive wing. Pop helps in this category, and again, it’s solid all the way around, but not seeing any top of the line defenders.
3. Win Future – 5. Most of the starters/first bench players are rather old, (or are at least in their prime and unlikely to get better) or have low potential to be great. I could see a core of Markieff/Chase/Rondo doing decently if Chase and Morris REALLY blossom well, but I think the only thing that will help this team long-term is a good lotto pick.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 13. The team is very deep, with guys like Amundson and Neal playing 3rd string, and Pop as a coach will help your team a ton. Payroll is also good for caliber of team. Meh on the durability (some guys have been off the court a lot recently). Fit is where you lack, there really isn’t any scoring on this roster, even though the defense and passing is solid.
Total: 25.5
24. ChurchBoy
Miami Heat - BAT 7.0
PG: Kyle lowry/Randy Foye/Chris Duhon
SG: Marcus Thornton/Alonzo Gee/Wesley Johnson
SF: John Salmons/ Quentin Richardson
PF: Ryan Anderson/Dejuan Blair
C: Samuel Dalembert/ Ronny Turiaf/ Andris Biedrins
Coach: Stan Van Gundy
1. Win Now Offense – 2. Lowry passing it around to Anderson, Thornton and Dally should create some offensive production, but there is little to none in the 2nd unit and its not all that strong in the starting 5.
2. Win Now Defense – 3.5. Dally can anchor the D, Lowry provides some perimeter pressure, and SVG helps in this regard as well. Backups like Gee, Blair and Johnson also give this team defensive flexibility.
3. Win Future – 5.5. There’s an outside chance that one of Johnson or Gee turns into a solid contributor, and Lowry and Thornton should be around a while, same with Anderson, but it doesn’t seem to be any brighter than the team right now. Lots of future role player types.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 11. I actually like the fit of the players, Anderson spacing the floor, Lowry distributing, Thornton scoring, ect. Coach is very good, he will help win games. Durability is questionable, idk what the payroll is, and the depth is decent enough. Not too bad in this category.
Total: 22
25. ctorres
PG: Jose Calderon / Darren Collison
SG: Courtney Lee / Anthony Parker / Maurice Evans
SF: Trevor Ariza / Hedo Turkoglu / Luke Walton
PF: Amar'e Stoudemire / Carl Landry / Andres Nocioni
C: Udonis Haslem / Brendan Haywood / Kurt Thomas
1. Win Now Offense – 6. The Calderon/Amare P&R is nice, but not fantastic. Both are good at the play, but I wouldn’t say Calderon is the perfect P&R PG, and maybe not even top 5. Good spacing though and good offense for the 2nd unit.
2. Win Now Defense – 3. Amare and Calderon are both liabilities on defense, and Hedo and Landry aren’t much either. Ariza and Lee can provide some good D, same with Haslem, but there aren’t any elite defenders, and there isn’t a top tier anchor either.
3. Win Future – 2. I hate to give such a low rating, but outside of Collison and Lee, everyone is built for win-now. I don’t see this team having much of a chance after a year or 2, unless you get a few MIPs.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 8.5. I don’t know who the coach is (not in the sig or roster page) and the payroll is high, and you still have big contracts like Amare, Ariza, Hedo and Haywood that are too long and expensive. Most of the team is pretty durable though (outside of Amare). I will give you credit for putting together a strong P&R with shooters around, and Haslem is a good big next to Amare.
Total: 19.5
Poster
Team
Rotation or Roster
1. Win Now Offense 1-10
2. Win Now Defense 1-10
3. Win Future 1-20
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll 1-20
Total: 1-60
Note: 1s and 10s (or 20s) will be very rare. I will only give one out if I feel that team is the worst in the league or the best in the league in that category. This will result in more values surrounding the middle (3-7 or 6-14). I also judge assuming that 5 (or 10) would be the middle of the league.
1. mpharris36
Spurs B.A.T.
C - Howard (38) Jeffries (10)
PF - Allen (25) Bonner (15) LeBron (8)
SF - LeBron (30) Howard (15) Young (3)
SG - Nick Young (27) Redd (13) Green (8)
PG - Hinrich (30) Lucas (18)
HC - Eric Spoelstra
1. Win Now Offense – 9.5. LeBron and Dwight surrounded by shooters is not a bad way to go on offense. Young can also create his own shot when Dwight/LeBron have to rest. But really, both LeBron and Dwight put up bid scoring numbers on incredible efficiency, and will be nearly unstoppable.
2. Win Now Defense – 9. Outside of LeBron and Dwight, there aren’t many high quality defenders. Hinrich isn’t bad, and Allen showed a bit of promise in the playoffs, but I’m not sure they will be consistent. Obviously LeBron and Dwight are 2 of the top 5 defensive players in the league, so you aren’t lacking here either.
3. Win Future – 13.5. Going back to LeBron and Dwight again, both are in their mid-twenties and should be at this level for a few more years. However, in 5 years, Dwight will have 13 years as a pro, LeBron will have 14, and even though they will be in their low 30s, they could have a fairly quick decline.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 10.5. Durability is a concern with a lot of players, Hinrich, Dwight, Redd, J Howard, and could get your team in trouble if a few go down in the playoffs, but the coaching and low payroll balance that out. I’m glad you put guys who can hit threes next to your stars, it’s a smart fit.
Total: 42.5
2. crazybranman360
Build A Team- Utah Jazz
G: Mike Conley Jr./Rodrigue Beaubois/Will Bynum
G: Kyle Korver/Toney Douglas/
F: Kevin Durant/Matt Barnes/Bobby Simmons
F: Chris Bosh/Reggie Evans/Brian Scalabrine
C: Kendrick Perkins/Omir Asik
HC- Byron Scott
1. Win Now Offense – 9. Having the best scorer on your team and an ideal 2nd option is a great combo. Korver spaces the floor well, and Conley is a good distributor. Perkins can grab some offensive rebounds and Roddy is a decent 6th man.
2. Win Now Defense – 7.5. One of the better center rotations on defense and a good coach help here. Durant is constantly improving at this end, and Bosh and Conley are both rock solid. It’s a bit thin on D, but the core is elite.
3. Win Future – 14.5. Durant is only 23, and even if you kept him and only him for the next 10 years you would still be in contention. Conley is still young, and Asik and Roddy are too.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll –10.5. Good payroll, good coach, good durability. Very thin in terms of depth (Conley is only guard who should be getting big minutes), and the talent isn’t quite there at the SG. The fit is pretty good though.
Total: 41.5
T3. CoolKids
Philadelphia Sixers BAT:
Head Coach David Joerger
PG:Jameer Nelson/ Shaun Livingston
SG:Wes Matthews/ Mike Miller
SF: Danny Granger/ Mbah a Molute T-Mac
PF: Lamarcus Aldridge/ Tristan Thompson
C: Chris Kaman/ Nikola Vuceviv/Jeremy Tyler
1. Win Now Offense – 8.5. Very defined 1-5 offensive options on the starting line (LMA 1, Granger 2, Nelson 3/4, Kaman 3/4, Matthews 5) which is great for a team chemistry wise. I feel like this team has so many options on offense it would be extremely hard to defend. Post up Kaman or LMA, drive and dish with Nelson or Granger, iso with LMA or Granger, P&R with Nelson and LMA, bring Matthews or Granger off screens, it just seems like there are a ton of high quality offensive options in the starting 5. Lacking a 6th man type though.
2. Win Now Defense – 6.5. You have a few great defenders (Matthews, Moute, Thompson) a few above average ones (Granger, LMA) and a few that are below average (Kaman,Nelson). I think this team can be a good defensive unit as a whole (even with a few players lacking in some defensive areas) and that if you get in trouble, Joerger will bring in guys like Moute and Thompson to throw off the other teams rhythm.
3. Win Future – 13. Most of the guys on your team are in their primes, but young primes. I can see this team contending for a good 5 years, and then you got guys like Thompson coming up. However, I don’t know what will happen after that, as Thompson can’t carry a team, and the chances you find a gem in the draft by then are pretty slim.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 12. As mentioned in other categories, I think the fit is tremendous. Pretty good on the durability scale too. Joerger hasn’t had much experience as a NBA HC, but that isn’t to say he won’t be a good one. I like the depth on this team (a bit thin at the guards tho), but the payroll is also pretty high (just in my head, it looks to be around 70M).
Total: 40
T3. islanders11040
Indiana Pacers B.A.T 7
HC-George Karl
Pg-Dragic/Ridnour
Sg-J Richardson/ Deshawn Stevenson/Ben Uzoh
Sf-Hayward/A Daye/Moon
Pf-Love/Al Harrington/T Murphy
C- Noah/stiemsma
1. Win Now Offense – 8. Remarkable spacing, from Love and Harrington to Dragic and Ridnour and most people in between. Has a go-to scorer in Love, and Noah crashing the offensive boards helps. Dragic was 18/8/4 on 61 TS% as a starter, just fantastic, and Hayward seems to be getting better each year.
2. Win Now Defense – 4.5. Noah is a good anchor, very smart and active on D, and Hayward has his moments for sure. Dragic also can be good at times on D, but is inconsistent. Stevenson is a scrappy defender off the bench, but guys like Harrington, Richardson and Ridnour all have to be hidden on defense.
3. Win Future – 15. The Love/Noah front court should be dominant for a long time, and Hayward gets better every year. Dragic is 26, and seems to be just getting into his prime, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he plays at this level 5-6 more years.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 12.5. Durability is a question mark with a few players, but it’s not a huge concern. Karl is a great coach, I like his ability to take whatever he has and motivate them to work hard out there. If Dragic can get into the paint consistently, I think this team has an incredible fit, because he is surrounded by shooters on the perimeter.
Total: 40
T5. LJ4pointplay
Avery Johnson's WOLF PACK:
C: Hibbert / Hayes / B. Wallace / R Hollins
PF: T Gibson /DJ White/ Childress/ Clark
SF: Deng / T Williams/ Childress
SG: Sefolasha / Stuckey/ V Wafer
PG: C Paul / Stuckey / A Carter
1. Win Now Offense – 8. Hibbert/Deng/Paul is fantastic on offense, and Stuckey as a 6th man is a nice punch, but outside of that, there is very little consistent offense. Paul, with his talents, does make up for some of that, and Gibson could turn into a 11-13 PPG scorer, but it’s not perfect.
2. Win Now Defense – 9.5. Starting line may be as good defensively as anyones. Gibson, Thabo and Deng are top of the top in terms of man-to-man defense, and Paul and Hibbert are both above average. Hibbert isn’t the ideal defensive center, which is why it’s not a 10, but that is a minor detail in the whole thing.
3. Win Future – 13.5. I like, but don’t love, this team’s chances in the future. There isn’t really that one prospect that has the chance to be the star in the future, but none of this team is very old to start with. If guys like Gibson, Williams and Stuckey can be long term (5-7 years) starters, I see this team as a top one for a long time, being led by the vets, but if not, this team loses its title hopes in 4 or 5 years (which is nothing to complain about, and is why your ranking is still well above average).
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 8. Payroll is fine, fit together is good, but depth, durability and coaching are concerns. Avery Johnson is an ok coach, but I’m not sure he helps your team move forward a ton. Thabo played 21.8 MPG this year, Taj played 20.4. Having these guys as starters with a team of an average bench is a concern for me. Even if you play each of them 24 MPG, Stuckey will play around 34 MPG total (10 behind Paul, 24 behind Thabo) and should White (or sometimes Hayes) really be playing 16-20+ MPG on a title contender? At times, your starting 5 could be one of the best, but you have players playing more minutes than in RL, which leaves very little error for any injuries or fatigue.
Total: 39
T5. Mecca
Los Angeles Lakers
HC: Nate McMillan
PG - Derrick Rose - Mario Chalmers - Norris Cole
SG - Iman Shumpert - Vince Carter - Reggie Williams
SF - Danilo Gallinari - Vince Carter - Derrick Brown
PF - Brook Lopez - Glen Davis
C - Marcus Camby - Joel Anthony
1. Win Now Offense – 7. Rose/Gallo/Lopez provides three great offensive weapons to go to at any time. With Shump, Williams and Camby hitting jumpers, VC and Chalmers leading the 2nd unit, I think this is a strong offense.
2. Win Now Defense – 5.5. Shump is a lock down defender, and Anthony+Camby are decent enough anchors. However, Lopez could get beat a ton playing at the 4, especially with more teams going a bit smaller these days. Also don’t see any bench players that really stand out on D.
3. Win Future – 14.5. The perimeter will be terrific for years to come, and if you draft a defensive 4 sometime in here, allowing Lopez to move to the 5, then I could see a big time contender in 2-4 years. Rose’s injury has me concerned that he may not be the same in the future though.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 12. I like the coach, payroll is nice this year (but Rose’s contract and Lopez’s contract next year will change that) and the team is fairly deep (low on the big man depth, but good on the perimeter). Don’t like Lopez at the 4, but the rest of your lineup compliments each other.
Total: 39
T5. smha201
BAT - Cleveland Cavaliers:
H.C.: T. Thibodeau
PG: Russell Westbrook / JJ Barea / Nolan Smith
SG: Danny Green / Gerald Henderson
SF: Shawn Marion / Marcus Morris / Sasha Pavlovic
PF: Zach Randolph / Brandan Wright / Tobias Harris
C: Channing Frye / Ekpe Udoh
1. Win Now Offense – 8.5. Westbrook+Zbo puts a lot of pressure on the D as a 1-2 punch, and they score in different ways, so if one is struggling, the other one might have more success. The starting lineup has exceptional spacing, although it certainly could have trouble if both ZBo and Westbrook have off-nights. I like Hendo as a 6th man for this team.
2. Win Now Defense 6. Good wing defenders all around (WB, Marion, Green, Hendo), but the starting front court is pretty weak on D, and usually that’s most important. Thibs should help with this, which is why the rating is above average, but it is still a concern. Udoh off of the bench helps too.
3. Win Future – 14. WB is a great piece to build around long-term. He can carry a team now and later, and is fairly easy to build around. I lot of the prospects you have haven’t got a ton of burn in the NBA, but have high potential, like Harris and Morris. Udoh is also young, could be a future D anchor, and Green can also be part of a future team, along with Hendo.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 10.5. The fit is great on offense, but Udoh would be much better with the starters on defense. Coach is amazing, and helps with some of the needs on the team. If ZBo goes down with another injury, your team will struggle on offense when WB has to sit. A few other players have had injury-filled pasts as well (Barea, Hendo, ect) so durability isn’t something to ignore here.
Total: 39
T8. Jose7©
C: DeMarcus Cousins (32) - Kosta Koufos (16)
F: Elton Brand (28) - Trevor Booker (16) - Marvin Williams (4)
F: Andre Iguodala (34) - Marvin Williams (14)
G: Klay Thompson (32) - Jordan Crawford (16)
G: Stephen Curry (32) - Greivis Vasquez (16)
Spot Minutes: Mickael Pietrus, Luke Babbit
Inactive List: Hassan Whiteside, Malcolm Lee
1. Win Now Offense – 7. Terrific shooting, and a few nice post players with a point forward, it’s a good basis for a strong offense. Youth, inefficient bigs, and injury concerns (will all players be on the floor all season long?) hold back from a truly great offense.
2. Win Now Defense – 2.5. Iggy really helps this rating, but outside of him (and Marvin) you have average/below average defenders. This could certainly change down the road, if Cousins becomes a better anchor, but for now it is below average.
3. Win Future – 16.5. I am a firm believer that having vets on a young team with help them develop, and this is a perfect case of it. Having Brand, Iggy and Marvin take some pressure off of Curry, Cousins and Klay so that they can develop correctly is good. Plus, both Curry and Cousins have All-Star potential IMO, and could reach it with Collins helping them along with the vets.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 11. Coach is good fit with the team, payroll is excellent for the caliber of team, and is reasonably durable (outside of Curry I don’t see many injury concerns). It’s very much lacking team defense, which hurts this rating, and some of the talents overlap (Brand/Cousins in the post as an example). Not bad though.
Total: 37
T8. NewEra
Orlando Magic - BAT 7
PG: Raymond Felton/ Derek Fisher/ Ish Smith
SG: Manu Ginobili/ Jamal Crawford
SF: Tayshaun Prince/ Steve Novak/ Travis Outlaw
PF: Kevin Garnett/ Brandon Bass/ Luke Harangody
C: Andrew Bynum/ Johan Petro/
HC: Doc Rivers
1. Win Now Offense – 8.5. There are a whole bunch of players that could go off for big nights at any time. Bynum/KG complement each other nicely, and having three ball-handlers (Crawford, Felton, Manu) will help the offense run. I’m not sure Felton is a good enough starting PG for an elite offense, and it lacks a perimeter “take the game over” guy, but the efficiency and experience will carry this team to a good offense.
2. Win Now Defense – 8.5. There are few defensive holes on this team, and Doc is a great defensive coach. KG by himself pretty much makes this team good on D, adding in guys like Bynum and Prince makes this team significantly above average in this category.
3. Win Future – 7. It’s not horrible, because Bynum will be good for a long time, but KG/Prince/Manu/Fisher are all on their last legs (Prince not as much, but still) and could retire any day now. Will be a title contender as long as the core stays intact, but after that it’s just Bynum.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 13. Payroll is high, but the team can justify it. The team seems to fit very well together, has enough play making, shooting, defense, low post scoring, perimeter scoring, ect. Depth is kinda meh, there are two good bench players (Crawford and Bass), but I’m not sure guys like Petro and Novak should be key parts of the rotation. Perfect coach, I will say that.
Total: 37
10. Fury
Suns
PG: Jeremy Lin/Nate Robinson
SG: Kevin Martin/Rudy Fernandez/Raja Bell
SF: Gerald Wallace/Stephen Jackson/Davis Bertans
PF: Kenyon Martin/Boris Diaw/Dominic McGuire
C: Marc Gasol/Joel Przybilla/Jason Collins
Head Coach: Kevin McHale
1. Win Now Offense – 6.5. Very diverse offense with many different options. Martin is an efficient scorer, Gasol is a great post presence, Lin can shake things up with his drives, and Diaw is definitely a unique talent.
2. Win Now Defense – 6. Lin/Martin/Nate are pretty bad on defense, but looking at guys like Wallace, Kenyon and Jackson makes up for that. Gasol is a solid anchor, and Joel provides even more toughness. Decent 3rd string guys too in Bell and Collins.
3. Win Future – 6.5. Lin is still young, and Gasol will be around another 5-7 years at respectable play, but outside of that, most people are at or around 30. I can see the contender window closing after 2-3 years for this team, unless some youth is added.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 17.5. Tremendous fit and versatility from top to bottom of the lineup. You really have 5 bigs who can play decent minutes, and 5 wings who can do the same. I don’t like Nate as a backup PG, but he can score the ball. Coach is good for the team, I think he will help Gasol continue as a pro. Financial flexibility is coming in the next years with many players have contracts moving around.
Total: 36.5
11. BowlRips
BAT 7.0 - Golden State Warriors
PG JRUE HOLIDAY/ DELONTE WEST
SG JAMES HARDEN/ XAVIER HENRY/WAYNE ELLINGTON
SF CJ MILES/ JEFF GREEN
PF PAUL MILSAP/ DARREL ARTHUR
C JAVALEE MCGEE/ TYRUS THOMAS/SEMIH ERDEN
HEAD COACH: LAWRENCE FRANK
1. Win Now Offense – 6.5. I don’t like Miles as a starter and McGee can be a bit clueless on this end of the floor, but Jrue/Harden/Milsap is quite the offensive trio. If Green can return to his old form and McGee can get smarter (?) this team could be nearly limitless. Jrue as a scorer and Harden as a distributor is a terrific backcourt.
2. Win Now Defense – 5. When McGee is focused, this team is very strong on D, but he is still very inconsistent. Jrue has the length, but is he elite yet? Milsap and Harden are both solid as well, but nothing special.
3. Win Future – 13. Harden is looking like he will be a perennial All-Star, Jrue is project as an above-average PG, and McGee showed some good stuff in the playoffs.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll –11. The durability is not so good, both Green and Arthur are coming off season-ending injuries, that’s always gotta be a concern. I do like the fit though (Harden/Jrue is very nice). The coach and payroll fit with the team (although you may have to pay big this summer to keep some players).
Total: 35.5
12. Lin Your Face
OKC Thunder BAT
Coach Mike Malone
PG John Wall/Shelvin Mack
SG Paul George/Avery Bradley/Elliot Williams
SF Kawhi Leonard/Jimmy Butler/Kyle Singler/Bojan Bogdanovic
PF Derrick Williams/Dante Cunningham/Jajuan Johnson
C Greg Monroe/BJ Mullens/Greg Oden
1. Win Now Offense –1.5. Wall is still inefficient and turnover prone, Williams has yet to develop a consistent game and George, Leonard and Bradley are very much defensive roll players at this point. Monroe could do some damage, but I think it’s too much for 1 person. Lack of experience hurts in this area.
2. Win Now Defense – 2.5. Athletic ability and strong defense on the wings gets you in the 25-20 range (in terms of where your defense ranks league wide), but lack of an anchor or any strong defense down low will hold the team back.
3. Win Future – 17.5. I don’t like not having some vets to show your youngsters the way, the team is almost too young. However, there is no doubt this team is full of talent, and I like getting a young, new HC to grow with them. If you spend a bit of money in FA to grab some professional vets I could see this team become a title contender in 2-4 years.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll –13.5. Once again (comes into this category as well) I don’t like that there are no savvy vets to help this young team along, but in terms of talents and skills, this team does fit together. I like Malone with the team as well, and it is pretty durable. Terrific payroll, could use that to sign more talent.
Total: 35
13. br7knicks
HC: Larry Drew
Augustin 30/Jenkins 14/Telfair 4
Wade 32/Jones 16/
Battier 18/Young 26/Kleiza 4
Lee 32/Kleiza 16/Williams 0
Jordan 28/Seraphin 20/Williams 0
1. Win Now Offense – 7.5. Lacking a true 3rd option, but the Wade/Lee P&R will be nasty. Role players know their roles, Battier and Augustin will hit threes, Jordan will catch lobs/crash OREBs. Young is a nice piece to have to lead the 2nd unit.
2. Win Now Defense – 6. Lee is pretty bad on D, and so is Augustin. You do have some good wing defenders in Battier, Young and Jones. Jordan can block shots, but he is a rather poor man-to-man defender in the post, and still has things to learn about not chasing blocks and staying back for rebounds.
3. Win Future – 6.5. This team is clearly built for the now. Jenkins is nice, and Seraphin could be a monster soon, Jordan is still young, but outside of that, most of the team is in their prime, and probably won’t get a whole lot better.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 14.5. This team fits together like a glove, you can put out a whole bunch of different lineups, and it has plenty of depth. I would’ve liked to see a better coach with this team, and there are a few injury concerns with your top players, but the payroll is fine, and again, the fit is very good.
Total: 34.5
T14. Knicksfan20
PORTLAND TRAILBLAZERS
HC: Lionel Hollins
C: Anderson Varejao/Hill/Aaron Gray/JJ
PF:J.J Hickson/JordanHill/Gay/Jon Leur/Brackins
SF:Rudy Gay/Derozan/Webster/Jordan Hamilton
SG:Webster/Derozan/Barbosa/JH
PG:Ricky Rubio/Patty Mills/Barbosa/Gaines
1. Win Now Offense – 4.5. I see this as slightly below average ATM. The only players who can really drive the offense are DD, Gay and Rubio, and both DD and Rubio have a ways to go before they can really carry an offense (both are poor shooters). Hurts that there is no post up threat big man and/or no elite P&R big.
2. Win Now Defense – 6.5. Pretty much everyone on your team is an average to solid defender, minus a few bench warmers. I could see a team that is great at contesting shots and cutting off easy buckets, but it lacks a shot blocker, which would really help with guys driving the lane in the playoffs.
3. Win Future – 13.5. Rubio alone almost makes this a 7 or 8, add in Derozan, Hickson, Gay, and I can see a bright future for this team. Drafting a C who can score and block shots (like Drummond) would set your team up perfectly for title chances.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth, Payroll – 9.5. Fit is very good, Rubio will help with the lack of scoring down low, Webster and AV will know their roles, and Gay and Derozan as the scorers, I like that. However, AV has a nasty injury history, Gay just came off a shoulder injury, and Rubio went down this year too, which is why it’s only a 10. Payroll is solid, good for the quality of team you have.
Total: 34
T14. NYStateofMind
HC: Alvin Gentry
PG: Jeff Teague/Lou Williams/Earl Watson
SG: Joe Johnson/MarShon Brooks/Lou Williams/Marquis Daniels
SF: Wilson Chandler/James Johnson/James Singleton/Marquis Daniels
PF: Antawn Jamison/Marreese Speights/Tiago Splitter/Vernon Macklin
C: Marcin Gortat/Tiago Splitter/Marreese Speights/Dexter Pittman
1. Win Now Offense – 7. Lots of offensive options, not many that are very efficient though. Lots of good, smart players on O who can spread the floor, and your 2nd unit is filled with guys who can create offense. Coach will help push the ball.
2. Win Now Defense – 4.5. Some good D, some bad. C and SF are both concrete with defensive players, but the other three positions are kinda meh. I think there will be plenty to get you into the playoffs, but I doubt your team ever sees the CF, and will have trouble getting to the 2nd round.
3. Win Future – 8.5. There is a decent amount of youth on this team (Brooks, Teague, James Johnson), but nothing that really sticks out as a future star. Gortat and Chandler are young enough to be part of a team in 3-5 years though.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 14. Coach fits the team soundly IMO, and the depth is very good. Lots of overlapping talent, however, which may not be the worst thing (because a guy like Brooks could learn from JJ), but I think the lineup could be more effective with a distributor at the point. JJ’s contract is pretty horrible, but you have very little else that’s long term, so it may not hurt you as much as it would have others.
Total: 34
T14. Smoke24
BAT Chicago Bulls...
HC: M. Woodson
PG/SG: Monta Ellis/PG: J. Jack/PG: A.J. Price
SG: Tony Allen/SG/SF: L. Fields
SF: Caron Butler/J. Dudley/D. James
PF/C: Pau Gasol/PF: J. Harrelson/ SF/PF: A. Randolph
C: R. Lopez/Jason Smith/J. Valanciunas/S. Alabi
1. Win Now Offense – 6.5. I like Ellis at the PG, he’s been putting up 5-6 APG over the past years, I think he can do it. Gasol adds a post threat that can help your team in the half court. Allen and Smith aren’t much, but they aren’t negatives, and Butler has lost some of his game, but can still put up 12-14 PPG each night. Not a championship quality offense, but not bad.
2. Win Now Defense – 7.5. Allen and Butler is a great wing combo for defense, they can lock down a ton of people. Ellis at the 1 allows him to cover PGs more, which he can do. Gasol is solid, not amazing on D, and Smith/Lopez/Val can stand in the middle and take charges/block shots.
3. Win Future – 10.5. A lot hinges on how Valanciunas pans out, but it looks like he could be a star. Ellis/Fields/Dudley are also pretty young and could help in years to come, but a lot of the core (Gasol/Butler/Allen) is on the wrong side of 30 and won’t help you much longer.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 9.5. I don’t like the fit or depth very much. It seems like of the top 8 players, 6 are on the perimeter and 2 are in the post. Upgrading C and/or backup PF would have been a smart move IMO, because a guy like Dudley or Jack can easily be a starter on some teams, but I wouldn’t want Lopez and Harrelson playing 20+ minutes combined. Coach is decent, payroll is a tad high, but nothing to lose points over, and the durability is pretty good (outside of Butler).
Total: 34
17. ezmoney707
BAT Houston Rockets:
PG: Brandon Knight/Kemba Walker/Reggie Jackson
SG:Kobe Bryant/Alec Burks/Keith Bogans
SF: Chris Singleton/Sam Young/Lance Stephensen
PF:Carlos Boozer/Tyler Hansbrough/Nikola Mirotic
C:Nene/Mozgov/Yi
Head Coach: Brian Shaw
1. Win Now Offense – 8. Two bigs who can post up, run the P&R and hit mid-range shots combined with a top 2 SG and a young PG to help distribute? Very, very good. I see Kemba growing nicely as a 6th man on a team filled with vets, and the Knight/Kobe combo is perfect.
2. Win Now Defense – 3.5. You have a few good individual defenders (Kobe, Singleton, Hansbrough), but as a team, the defense may be your weak spot. Niether Boozer nor Nene are great help defenders, and that could really hurt if any of your perimeter players get beat.
3. Win Future – 11.5. Not as bad as most contending teams, a core of Mozgov/Tyler H/Burks/Knight/Kemba/Mirotic wouldn’t be too bad as the older players start to fade. No potential stars though, so it’s not a team I would count on as a contender in 5 years.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll –10.5. Payroll is expensive and it is long term (Kobe makes like 85M over three years, Nene is on 5 year deal, all in 7 degits, and Boozer is over 13M every year left on his deal). Coach fits the team pretty good, the fit is excellent on O, mediocre on D and the depth is very good outside of SF.
Total: 33.5
T18. 2010
Atlanta Hawks: Mike Brown (HC)
Roster:
PG — Kyrie Irving | George Hill | Josh Selby
SG — Arron Afflalo | Manny Harris
SF — Grant Hill | Charlie Villanueva | Gary Forbes
PF — Drew Gooden | Lamar Odom
C — Andrew Bogut | Andray Blatche
1. Win Now Offense – 3.5. You have a few smart offensive roll players like Hill and Bogut, but the offense will mainly be driven by rookie PG Irving and Afflalo. I don’t think it’s a bad offense per say, but it certainly lacks some scoring, unselfishness and efficiency in the overall rotation.
2. Win Now Defense – 7.5. Hill and Afflalo are both very strong perimeter defenders, and Bogut is top 3 on D when healthy. I think this team is a solid top 10 on defense with Bogut healthy. Gooden, Odom and Blatche hurt this rating, however.
3. Win Future – 13.5. Irving will be great in the future, a true franchise player, and Afflalo is young enough to be part of a future core. Unfortunately, none of the other players are probably going to be a big part of a team 3-5 years down the road, which is why the rating isn’t higher.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 6.5. Not very good depth (no true backup C, Gooden shouldn’t prolly be a starter to begin with), but the coach is good for sure. Payroll is high, and the long contracts of Gooden, Vilanueva and Blatche don’t help. The fit is pretty solid (starting perimeter fits well), but it isn’t a very durable team.
Total: 31
T18. albert
PG: Andre Miller / Beno Udrih / Jonny Flynn
SG: OJ Mayo / JR Smith / Daniel Gibson
SF: Carmelo Anthony / Corey Maggette / Chris Wright
PF: David West / Gustavo Ayon / Donantas Montiejunas
C: Tim Duncan / Kwame Brown / Chris Wilcox
Coach: Rick Carlisle
1. Win Now Offense – 8.5. You have 7-8 guys who are very good on offense, enough ball movement, and a top tier scorer (Melo) to help as a to-to-guy. Miller isn’t an ideal distributor, but he can get the job done, and Duncan/West are both good post options.
2. Win Now Defense – 4.5. Out of the 5 starters, Duncan is really the only one that is above average on D. Melo can be good at times, and West tries hard (but isn’t that good), but the defense just isn’t there. Carlisle helps a bit, and Duncan is certainly a top tier anchor, but the lack of D from 1-5 is hard to ignore.
3. Win Future – 6.5. Montiejunas is the only true prospect you have, and I think he could be pretty good in a few years. Mayo is young, and could get better, and Ayon could be a useful big for a while, but everyone else is pretty old.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 11.5. Massive payroll, is the team good enough to justify it? The offensive fit is very good, could’ve used some more defense. However, Mayo and Smith’s skills overlap a ton (and have scarily similar stats). The coach is a proven winner, which is good, and there is good depth too.
Total: 31
20. Im Coming Home
Nuggets BAT 7
C: Tyson Chandler/Darko Milicic
PF: Josh Smith/Michael Beasley/Hakim Warrick
SF: Michael Beasley/Shawne Williams/Brandon Rush
SG: Brandon Rush/Rip Hamilton/Daequan Cook
PG: Jason Kidd/Jerryd Bayless/Mike Bibby
HC: Frank Vogel
1. Win Now Offense – 4. I see this as a below average offense. You should get consistent production from Smith, Kidd and Hamilton, but Beasley could drop 25 one night, and then 5 points on 8 shots the next. I’m not sure Rush is a reliable option on offense either.
2. Win Now Defense – 8.5. Talk about shot blocking and help defense! Teams will be scared to drive on you with DPOY Chandler and shot blocking Smoove guarding the paint. Kidd provides a solid perimeter defender too. Beasley gets beat more than he should, and guys like Bayless and Hamilton aren’t much on D, but with that front court you shouldn’t see a whole lot of issues.
3. Win Future – 4.5. Most of the guys are win now players, with very little youth. Smith is only like 25 though, and Beasley is younger than that along with Bayless.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 12.5. I think you have a good identity with strong D and running up and down the floor, led by your bigs. Durability is average, I’m not sure I love Vogel for this team, but it’s not horrible, payroll should be fine. I don’t quite get having a 38 year old Kidd run a fast offense, and Darko, in his lack of mobility, is also a wonder for me, but nothing to get nit-picky about. Above average depth as well.
Total: 29.5
T21. Grinditout
B.A.T Memphis
PG:Tony Parker/Steve Blake/Keyon Dooling
SG:Marco Belinelli/Ben Gordon/Lester Hudson
SF:Mike Dunleavy Jr./James Jones/Alan Anderson
PF:Serge Ibaka/Josh McRoberts/K. Fesenko
C:Al Jefferson/Ian Mahinmi/Darryl Watkins
HC:Tyrone Corbin
1. Win Now Offense – 6.5. Parker driving the lane, Jefferson posting up with shooters around them is a pretty good set up. Lacks a 3rd option, and Jefferson (1b option) isn’t very efficient at 52 TS%, which could hold your team back a bit. Leadership of Parker on this end should keep them in it, however.
2. Win Now Defense – 4. Ibaka at 3.7 BPG is pretty insane, and he really helps your team on this end. Outside of him it is insanely thin in terms of high quality defensive players. Beli and Dunleavey can fit into good defensive schemes, but I’m not sure that this team has a good enough defensive core to help average defenders fit in.
3. Win Future – 6. Ibaka is young and provides a very unique talent both now and in the future. Parker is 30 though, and Jefferson 27, so it’s not like there’s nothing behind Ibaka, but I wouldn’t count on many other players still being themselves in 4-5 years.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll –12.5. Depth is good (solid 2nd unit, Dooling, Fesenko solid in 3rd unit), coach is average, payroll is fine for the team. The fit is actually really good, Ibaka’s help defense masks Jefferson’s lack of help D, and getting shooters around a perimeter and post threat (Parker/Jefferson) is, again, a good fit.
Total: 29
T21. Paco
Starters - Sessions, Allen, Parsons, Bargnani, and Horford.
Bench Unit - Maynor, Mo, Pondexter, Jerebko, Collison
3rd String - Pargo, Martin, Samuels
Coach - Mike Budenhozer
1. Win Now Offense – 7. This is a very efficient offense, that can spread the floor probably as good as anyone. However, I don’t really see that elite post threat, or perimeter player who can get to the rim all the time that would make the spacing such a dangerous threat. A Tony Parker type would make this team one of the best offenses in the league.
2. Win Now Defense – 3. Outside of Horford the D is very weak. I do agree that Bargs isn’t a horrible defender, but his lack of rebounding also contributes to his bad D, not just his man-to-man. We saw Allen get abused time after time in the playoffs on D, and Sessions is ok, but how much can a PG really change the defense?
3. Win Future – 10. I think this team has a reasonable future. Horford is still young enough to be the future D anchor, Parsons looks like a long-term starter, and Maynor could be there in the long run too. Could use a good lotto pick to inject some offense though.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 9. The depth is ordinary (have a few good backups, and a few not so good backups), the coach has the ability to be good, although is not proven at NBA level yet. The fit is unexceptional, it’s sorta balanced on O and D, but on O it really needs someone who can get to the rack consistently, to initiate the offense.
Total: 29
23. kneega
BAT KINGS
PG Rondo | Arenas | Neal
SG G.Green | R.Brewer | Mike James
SF Artest | Chase | Ivan Johnson
PF Amir | Markieff Morris | Amundson
C J.Thompson | L.Sanders | Haddadi
HC Pop
1. Win Now Offense – 1.5. There isn’t a guy on the team who you can give the ball to a say “gimme two points”, there isn’t a scoring wing, nor a post-up big, nor a spark-plug off the bench. Rondo will help get people involved, but he is much more effective with scorers around him.
2. Win Now Defense – 6. The team does have solid defenders from 1-12, but there isn’t like a top tier anchor or an “I will shut you down” defensive wing. Pop helps in this category, and again, it’s solid all the way around, but not seeing any top of the line defenders.
3. Win Future – 5. Most of the starters/first bench players are rather old, (or are at least in their prime and unlikely to get better) or have low potential to be great. I could see a core of Markieff/Chase/Rondo doing decently if Chase and Morris REALLY blossom well, but I think the only thing that will help this team long-term is a good lotto pick.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 13. The team is very deep, with guys like Amundson and Neal playing 3rd string, and Pop as a coach will help your team a ton. Payroll is also good for caliber of team. Meh on the durability (some guys have been off the court a lot recently). Fit is where you lack, there really isn’t any scoring on this roster, even though the defense and passing is solid.
Total: 25.5
24. ChurchBoy
Miami Heat - BAT 7.0
PG: Kyle lowry/Randy Foye/Chris Duhon
SG: Marcus Thornton/Alonzo Gee/Wesley Johnson
SF: John Salmons/ Quentin Richardson
PF: Ryan Anderson/Dejuan Blair
C: Samuel Dalembert/ Ronny Turiaf/ Andris Biedrins
Coach: Stan Van Gundy
1. Win Now Offense – 2. Lowry passing it around to Anderson, Thornton and Dally should create some offensive production, but there is little to none in the 2nd unit and its not all that strong in the starting 5.
2. Win Now Defense – 3.5. Dally can anchor the D, Lowry provides some perimeter pressure, and SVG helps in this regard as well. Backups like Gee, Blair and Johnson also give this team defensive flexibility.
3. Win Future – 5.5. There’s an outside chance that one of Johnson or Gee turns into a solid contributor, and Lowry and Thornton should be around a while, same with Anderson, but it doesn’t seem to be any brighter than the team right now. Lots of future role player types.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 11. I actually like the fit of the players, Anderson spacing the floor, Lowry distributing, Thornton scoring, ect. Coach is very good, he will help win games. Durability is questionable, idk what the payroll is, and the depth is decent enough. Not too bad in this category.
Total: 22
25. ctorres
PG: Jose Calderon / Darren Collison
SG: Courtney Lee / Anthony Parker / Maurice Evans
SF: Trevor Ariza / Hedo Turkoglu / Luke Walton
PF: Amar'e Stoudemire / Carl Landry / Andres Nocioni
C: Udonis Haslem / Brendan Haywood / Kurt Thomas
1. Win Now Offense – 6. The Calderon/Amare P&R is nice, but not fantastic. Both are good at the play, but I wouldn’t say Calderon is the perfect P&R PG, and maybe not even top 5. Good spacing though and good offense for the 2nd unit.
2. Win Now Defense – 3. Amare and Calderon are both liabilities on defense, and Hedo and Landry aren’t much either. Ariza and Lee can provide some good D, same with Haslem, but there aren’t any elite defenders, and there isn’t a top tier anchor either.
3. Win Future – 2. I hate to give such a low rating, but outside of Collison and Lee, everyone is built for win-now. I don’t see this team having much of a chance after a year or 2, unless you get a few MIPs.
4. Overall Fit, Durability, Coaching, Depth and Payroll – 8.5. I don’t know who the coach is (not in the sig or roster page) and the payroll is high, and you still have big contracts like Amare, Ariza, Hedo and Haywood that are too long and expensive. Most of the team is pretty durable though (outside of Amare). I will give you credit for putting together a strong P&R with shooters around, and Haslem is a good big next to Amare.
Total: 19.5
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Re: Build-a-Team 7.0 Results Thread
Nobody else is judging, so I'm going to put on mine.
I just did my own scoring system based on categories I feel are most important for a GM to run a franchise. My 5 categories are: Win now, fit, win future (4+ years from now), salary, and flash/fun to watch. I did not do the teams that didn't even post in the pimp page, and for the most part, nor did I rate the unpimped teams as well as I wish I could've.
Essentially, I rated the teams with the mentality of, "if I were not the GM of my team, which team would I want to be GM for." I ranked each team for each category, 30 being the best and 7 being the worst - did not rank other teams because either rosters were not on there, or rosters did not match up. I also weighted each category based on which I feel are most important: Win now (X 1.5), fit (X 1.4), win future (X 1.3), salary (X 1.2), and flash (X 1.1). I then took the scores of each category after weighing them, then added them up to get a final score.
Bobcats were my highest ranking, so I'll use them as an example.
Win now: 21 X 1.5 = 31.5
Fit: 25 X 1.4 = 35
Future: 29 X 1.3 = 37.7
Salary: 25 X 1.2 = 30
Flash: 28 X 1.1 = 30.8
All of them added: 165 points
Based on the math after weighing each of them, these are my overall rankings:
1. Bobcats
2. Wolves
3. Jazz
4. Lakers
5. Blazers
6. Spurs
7. Raptors
8. Pistons
9. Magic
10. Grizzlies
11. Bulls
12. Celtics
13. 76ers
14. Suns
15 Thunder
16. Rockets
17. Cavs
18. Nuggets
19. Nets
20. Kings
21. Pacers
22. Heat
23. Hawks
Best win now team: Pistons
Best team to win in 4 years: Jazz (hated putting them here because they did not pimp)
Best fit: Magic
Best salary (toughest): Thunder
Best flash: Raptors
I added my team based on their scores for the PO (top teams for "Win Now"). At this point, it's how I think the PO would go, and this is all opinion rather than stats. Note: For those of you saying, "wouldn't the #1 team just be the winner?". No, because even though I feel the Pistons are the strongest win now team, I think matchup wise it's going to be a different outcome.
Playoffs:
East:
1. Pistons
8. Celtics
4. 76ers
5. Raptors
2. Magic
7. Bulls
3. Wizards
6. Bobcats
1. Pistons
5. Raptors
2. Magic
3. Wizards
1. Pistons
2. Magic
ECC: Magic
West:
1. Jazz
8. Grizzlies
4. Wolves
5. Blazers
2. Spurs
7. Nuggets
3. Rockets
6. Lakers
1. Jazz
5. Blazers
2. Spurs
3. Rockets
1. Jazz
2. Spurs
WCC: Jazz
Championship:
Jazz vs. Magic
Magic win in 6
Some of the observations I noticed, as well as notes I have:
- I have full rankings of each category on an excell sheet; I teach summer school in a week, so I'm bored.
- I like both the Bobcats and Wolves franchise, so I'm ok with those 2 being at the top.
- Hated the Jazz being so high, but I loved them from the beginning.
- I don't want to have the Lakers, Blazers, or Spurs team, but according to my math, they're great franchises.
- You may disagree, but eff off and do your own then
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I just did my own scoring system based on categories I feel are most important for a GM to run a franchise. My 5 categories are: Win now, fit, win future (4+ years from now), salary, and flash/fun to watch. I did not do the teams that didn't even post in the pimp page, and for the most part, nor did I rate the unpimped teams as well as I wish I could've.
Essentially, I rated the teams with the mentality of, "if I were not the GM of my team, which team would I want to be GM for." I ranked each team for each category, 30 being the best and 7 being the worst - did not rank other teams because either rosters were not on there, or rosters did not match up. I also weighted each category based on which I feel are most important: Win now (X 1.5), fit (X 1.4), win future (X 1.3), salary (X 1.2), and flash (X 1.1). I then took the scores of each category after weighing them, then added them up to get a final score.
Bobcats were my highest ranking, so I'll use them as an example.
Win now: 21 X 1.5 = 31.5
Fit: 25 X 1.4 = 35
Future: 29 X 1.3 = 37.7
Salary: 25 X 1.2 = 30
Flash: 28 X 1.1 = 30.8
All of them added: 165 points
Based on the math after weighing each of them, these are my overall rankings:
1. Bobcats
2. Wolves
3. Jazz
4. Lakers
5. Blazers
6. Spurs
7. Raptors
8. Pistons
9. Magic
10. Grizzlies
11. Bulls
12. Celtics
13. 76ers
14. Suns
15 Thunder
16. Rockets
17. Cavs
18. Nuggets
19. Nets
20. Kings
21. Pacers
22. Heat
23. Hawks
Best win now team: Pistons
Best team to win in 4 years: Jazz (hated putting them here because they did not pimp)
Best fit: Magic
Best salary (toughest): Thunder
Best flash: Raptors
I added my team based on their scores for the PO (top teams for "Win Now"). At this point, it's how I think the PO would go, and this is all opinion rather than stats. Note: For those of you saying, "wouldn't the #1 team just be the winner?". No, because even though I feel the Pistons are the strongest win now team, I think matchup wise it's going to be a different outcome.
Playoffs:
East:
1. Pistons
8. Celtics
4. 76ers
5. Raptors
2. Magic
7. Bulls
3. Wizards
6. Bobcats
1. Pistons
5. Raptors
2. Magic
3. Wizards
1. Pistons
2. Magic
ECC: Magic
West:
1. Jazz
8. Grizzlies
4. Wolves
5. Blazers
2. Spurs
7. Nuggets
3. Rockets
6. Lakers
1. Jazz
5. Blazers
2. Spurs
3. Rockets
1. Jazz
2. Spurs
WCC: Jazz
Championship:
Jazz vs. Magic
Magic win in 6
Some of the observations I noticed, as well as notes I have:
- I have full rankings of each category on an excell sheet; I teach summer school in a week, so I'm bored.
- I like both the Bobcats and Wolves franchise, so I'm ok with those 2 being at the top.
- Hated the Jazz being so high, but I loved them from the beginning.
- I don't want to have the Lakers, Blazers, or Spurs team, but according to my math, they're great franchises.
- You may disagree, but eff off and do your own then
.RIP, magnumt '19
PG: M Smart/E Bledsoe/I Smith
SG: D Russell/C LeVert/L Stephenson
SF: H Barnes/T Horton Tucker/
PF: T Harris/C Boucher/B Griffin/
C: J Valanciunas/J McGee/
PG: M Smart/E Bledsoe/I Smith
SG: D Russell/C LeVert/L Stephenson
SF: H Barnes/T Horton Tucker/
PF: T Harris/C Boucher/B Griffin/
C: J Valanciunas/J McGee/
Re: Build-a-Team 7.0 Results Thread
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Re: Build-a-Team 7.0 Results Thread
So here are my rankings. I decided to add ny2k2 team (KNicks) because even though he didnt finish, he still assembled one of the best teams in the BAT. I am not judging based on a point system or am i taking favorites. I am judging based on Championship potential. What i mean is, if you are a win now team with a chance to win now...your going to get a high ranking regardless of youth. If you are a future team with high potential players, youth, trade pieces then you will get a high ranking. Some may get mad at their rankings, and some may have assembled good teams who got bad scores, but im jduging this all on championship potential since that is the main goal of assembling a team. Im voting backwards compared to other judges. Win now teams will be ranked higher since you know what those players are. Its hard to judge future winning teams...cuz some players work out...some dont.
1. Detroit Pistons- Best team in BAT IMO. Great coach, great depth. Melo is a beast and if in shape is one of the best in the league. Duncan has some good years left. Great depth all the way around. Great team. Probably one of the deeper teams in the BAT. Salery Cap is a problem and so is age, but i feel like you did a good job to assemble a team that fits around Melo and Duncan. Great half court team.
2.Magic- One of the best starting 5's in the BAT. Great coach, great defensive starters. Former 6th man of the year. Fisher has tons of playoff experience. Bass is a good backup, Petro is decent for the amount of mins he will play. Not much youth, but your team is ready to compete for a chip.
3. Spurs - Lebron...Howard...Nuff said. Great team that should be very good for years. Only reason your ranked 3rd is because you were gift wrapped Howard IMO and although that may seem unfair..i also think its unfair that i didnt get Howard for a similar package
. Nick Young is a good 3rd option but is probably better fit off the bench. I like Lavoy, he had a decent rookie year...but im not sure if he is a starting forward on a championship level team. In 2-3 years though? Maybe. not a fan of your bench at all. Injuries has me worried. I dont think Hinrich has much left in the tank.
4. Wolves- Great defensive team along with a defensive coach. Always felt like Avery was a bit overated, but he is still decent. Your starting 5 is going to cause a lot of teams problems and you dont give up offense in order to do it. Love Stuckey off the bench. He is more of a SG, but is a rare SG who can run some point too. T will can be good if he keeps his head right, Love what DJ white brings. Your team is a win now and a win future team. Paul is more of a fast break pg and i would of liked to have seen him paired with more fast break type players. Your team is lacking shooters. And please dont try to sell me that Sef is a shooter because of his % last season. He barley attempted any 3's and is a sub 30% career shooter.
5. NYK - Yea i know. He didnt post in the thread..blah blah blah. But he assembled a damn good team when he was active...Good job. Has a shot at a win now title.
6. Jazz - Great team. I dont ever see you post so im not going to bother writing.
7.Pacers - Love the pairing of Love and Noah. Dragic is really coming along and you put a lot of weapons around him. Hayward is an up and comer, could be a 15ppg player and Jrich still has some good years left. Al is a good 6th man. Good job. Young team with a very bright future. Daye is decent but im not a fan of his at all.
8. 76ER'S - Well built team. Everyone compliments each other very well. You may not have the most talent in the BAT, but you have a very well built team along with a good bench. Not a fan of your coaching choice. I thikn your team can compete int he playoffs.
9.Wizards- Linas/Lee/Augestine aside, you have a pretty good defensvie team. You surrounded Wade with unselfish players as well as players who have defined roles. Augestine will have Lee to pick and roll with and although im not a huge fan of Jordan, he is still a big time athelte/shot blocker. Although you have some youth, your kinda stuck in a win now situation with Wade getting older. But even without athleticism Wade will still be an effective player. Not quite sure if your team can get it done against some of the others, but they will definatly be a playoff contender over the next 4-5.
10. Lakers- Young team with a solid future. Was really confused by the Camby pick, he really only has a year or 2 left...and i would say tahts about how far away you are from contending. I hate that you have Lopez as a PF as well. He is one of the most un athletic centers in the game...and he would get abused even worse on the defensive side of the ball as a PF. Shump/Rose is a pretty dynamic back court..Gallo is good too, i think next season will be his breakout year. Dont have time to do rest of your team and i dont remember who your coach is atm. Rose/Shump/Lopez/Gallo all are injury concerns too.
11.Bobcats- Ton of youth on this team. I think Cousins is going to be a future all star and a top 5 centr in the league. Onlything holding him back is his own stupidity. Curry if he can stay healthy is a top 10 pg and i love Klay at the 2. Iggy isnt the greatest fit for your team since you are more of a future team, but as a player he fits well. Love Doug Collins as a coach and he is going to help develop your young guys and get the most out of them. You have a ton of trade assets for the future as well.
12. Thunder - You and Jose are pretty mcuh neck and neck in terms of future players. He wins because of Doug Collins is a superior coach to Mike Malone. Monroe will be a top 7 center in this league. Real old school game and i love watching him play. I give Cousins the slight edge over Monroe. Whole lot of youth on your team and cap space. Ton of trade assets. Im not sure if your team will develop into a championship contending team...but with a trade here and there in the future along with all that cap space, your team could turn into something special. Great job.
13.Suns- Mix of age and youth. Some injury concerns, Alot banks on how Lin develops and if some of your key guys can stay healthy. Not sold on McHale as a coach yet.
14. Bulls- Love the Montae/Allen back court. You have a ton of depth 3-1 but not so much up front. Would to have liked to have seen you trade some of the depth to help you up top. Not a fan of Robin Lopez, but he will hustle and do the dirty work. Not really an impact player. Jason Smith is better then he is, but better suited off the bench to backup PF/C. Really dont think Pau is a good fit on your team, you really dont have any shooters for him to kick it out too.
15. Celtics - Love the Horford/Bargs pairing, but i also hate it since they are both prone to injury. If one of both of them were to go down, you dont have great big man depth to provide much of an impact. Collison is getting old, Samuels is very undersized and i dont think pondexter is a good player either. Allen was a great value pick, Maynor is a good backup PG and you get 0 points for your coach. IDC who he understudied..i think picking an assistant coach is an easy way out of not wasting a high draft pick. 0 kudos for that. But if everyone can stay healthy, then your team can definatly make some noise. Prob worth a higher ranking, but i have no time to edit rightnow cuz i have to leave in 10 mins.
16.Grizzlies- Dont have time to write up. Good shooting team. Love the front court pairing. Not enough defense, your team will have trouble in the playoffs because of that.
17. Hawks - Kyrie is going to be a top 3 pg. Love his game. You should have built a younger team around him. Loved your first 3 picks, but not a fan of the rest of your draft. hills a good backup. Mike Brown is a horrible coach IMO.
18. Nugs- Great defensive front court. Some age concerns. Kidd is on his way out. Lack of a go to scorer hurts you, especially when you dont have an option to go to late in the 4th. Not a fan of your bench and you shoulda found a way to get jay more then 17 mpg.
19. Cavs - Great coach, but he is not going to help Randolph and Frye. You have a good front 3 defense, but the worse defensive front court in the entire BAT. Whats even worse..you dont even have a single center on your roster. You have 4 rotation PF's and your backup PF's arn't good at all. Marcus Morris barely played and you i cant give you kudos for that pick. Hard to judge how a player will turn out when they barely play and dont produce in the limited mins they get. Westbrook is a stud no doubt about it, but i dont feel like you built around him as best as you could have. Marion was a huge reach where you selected him and isnt quite a SF anymore. Henderson is much more of a SF then a SG and Barrea is undersized and didnt have a great year last season. I would have liked to have seen you trade Randolph to try to get a starting Center...bring Frye off the bencn and start Marion at PF with Henderson at SF. I think your biggest issue, was this is your first BAT and you didnt quite know when certain players would get picked, i think youll do much better second time around. I know your gunna hate your ranking, i just dont think you can go deep into the playoffs with your front court the way it is.
20. Raps - Trading Howard was about the dumbest thing you could have done. I had you as a top 5 team before that trade. Joe and Howard were a tremendous fit together. Gortat is good and i agree that he is underated, but he does not impact the game like Howard does. Gentys a decent coach and your write up pissed me off with all the quotes and pics. I honestly didnt read a single one of those quotes and just skimmed through your writeups because it was so much.
21. Nets
22. Warriors
23. Rockets
Kinda in a rush to go. Some arent going to like their rankings, just how i feel about championship potential.
1. Detroit Pistons- Best team in BAT IMO. Great coach, great depth. Melo is a beast and if in shape is one of the best in the league. Duncan has some good years left. Great depth all the way around. Great team. Probably one of the deeper teams in the BAT. Salery Cap is a problem and so is age, but i feel like you did a good job to assemble a team that fits around Melo and Duncan. Great half court team.
2.Magic- One of the best starting 5's in the BAT. Great coach, great defensive starters. Former 6th man of the year. Fisher has tons of playoff experience. Bass is a good backup, Petro is decent for the amount of mins he will play. Not much youth, but your team is ready to compete for a chip.
3. Spurs - Lebron...Howard...Nuff said. Great team that should be very good for years. Only reason your ranked 3rd is because you were gift wrapped Howard IMO and although that may seem unfair..i also think its unfair that i didnt get Howard for a similar package
. Nick Young is a good 3rd option but is probably better fit off the bench. I like Lavoy, he had a decent rookie year...but im not sure if he is a starting forward on a championship level team. In 2-3 years though? Maybe. not a fan of your bench at all. Injuries has me worried. I dont think Hinrich has much left in the tank.4. Wolves- Great defensive team along with a defensive coach. Always felt like Avery was a bit overated, but he is still decent. Your starting 5 is going to cause a lot of teams problems and you dont give up offense in order to do it. Love Stuckey off the bench. He is more of a SG, but is a rare SG who can run some point too. T will can be good if he keeps his head right, Love what DJ white brings. Your team is a win now and a win future team. Paul is more of a fast break pg and i would of liked to have seen him paired with more fast break type players. Your team is lacking shooters. And please dont try to sell me that Sef is a shooter because of his % last season. He barley attempted any 3's and is a sub 30% career shooter.
5. NYK - Yea i know. He didnt post in the thread..blah blah blah. But he assembled a damn good team when he was active...Good job. Has a shot at a win now title.
6. Jazz - Great team. I dont ever see you post so im not going to bother writing.
7.Pacers - Love the pairing of Love and Noah. Dragic is really coming along and you put a lot of weapons around him. Hayward is an up and comer, could be a 15ppg player and Jrich still has some good years left. Al is a good 6th man. Good job. Young team with a very bright future. Daye is decent but im not a fan of his at all.
8. 76ER'S - Well built team. Everyone compliments each other very well. You may not have the most talent in the BAT, but you have a very well built team along with a good bench. Not a fan of your coaching choice. I thikn your team can compete int he playoffs.
9.Wizards- Linas/Lee/Augestine aside, you have a pretty good defensvie team. You surrounded Wade with unselfish players as well as players who have defined roles. Augestine will have Lee to pick and roll with and although im not a huge fan of Jordan, he is still a big time athelte/shot blocker. Although you have some youth, your kinda stuck in a win now situation with Wade getting older. But even without athleticism Wade will still be an effective player. Not quite sure if your team can get it done against some of the others, but they will definatly be a playoff contender over the next 4-5.
10. Lakers- Young team with a solid future. Was really confused by the Camby pick, he really only has a year or 2 left...and i would say tahts about how far away you are from contending. I hate that you have Lopez as a PF as well. He is one of the most un athletic centers in the game...and he would get abused even worse on the defensive side of the ball as a PF. Shump/Rose is a pretty dynamic back court..Gallo is good too, i think next season will be his breakout year. Dont have time to do rest of your team and i dont remember who your coach is atm. Rose/Shump/Lopez/Gallo all are injury concerns too.
11.Bobcats- Ton of youth on this team. I think Cousins is going to be a future all star and a top 5 centr in the league. Onlything holding him back is his own stupidity. Curry if he can stay healthy is a top 10 pg and i love Klay at the 2. Iggy isnt the greatest fit for your team since you are more of a future team, but as a player he fits well. Love Doug Collins as a coach and he is going to help develop your young guys and get the most out of them. You have a ton of trade assets for the future as well.
12. Thunder - You and Jose are pretty mcuh neck and neck in terms of future players. He wins because of Doug Collins is a superior coach to Mike Malone. Monroe will be a top 7 center in this league. Real old school game and i love watching him play. I give Cousins the slight edge over Monroe. Whole lot of youth on your team and cap space. Ton of trade assets. Im not sure if your team will develop into a championship contending team...but with a trade here and there in the future along with all that cap space, your team could turn into something special. Great job.
13.Suns- Mix of age and youth. Some injury concerns, Alot banks on how Lin develops and if some of your key guys can stay healthy. Not sold on McHale as a coach yet.
14. Bulls- Love the Montae/Allen back court. You have a ton of depth 3-1 but not so much up front. Would to have liked to have seen you trade some of the depth to help you up top. Not a fan of Robin Lopez, but he will hustle and do the dirty work. Not really an impact player. Jason Smith is better then he is, but better suited off the bench to backup PF/C. Really dont think Pau is a good fit on your team, you really dont have any shooters for him to kick it out too.
15. Celtics - Love the Horford/Bargs pairing, but i also hate it since they are both prone to injury. If one of both of them were to go down, you dont have great big man depth to provide much of an impact. Collison is getting old, Samuels is very undersized and i dont think pondexter is a good player either. Allen was a great value pick, Maynor is a good backup PG and you get 0 points for your coach. IDC who he understudied..i think picking an assistant coach is an easy way out of not wasting a high draft pick. 0 kudos for that. But if everyone can stay healthy, then your team can definatly make some noise. Prob worth a higher ranking, but i have no time to edit rightnow cuz i have to leave in 10 mins.
16.Grizzlies- Dont have time to write up. Good shooting team. Love the front court pairing. Not enough defense, your team will have trouble in the playoffs because of that.
17. Hawks - Kyrie is going to be a top 3 pg. Love his game. You should have built a younger team around him. Loved your first 3 picks, but not a fan of the rest of your draft. hills a good backup. Mike Brown is a horrible coach IMO.
18. Nugs- Great defensive front court. Some age concerns. Kidd is on his way out. Lack of a go to scorer hurts you, especially when you dont have an option to go to late in the 4th. Not a fan of your bench and you shoulda found a way to get jay more then 17 mpg.
19. Cavs - Great coach, but he is not going to help Randolph and Frye. You have a good front 3 defense, but the worse defensive front court in the entire BAT. Whats even worse..you dont even have a single center on your roster. You have 4 rotation PF's and your backup PF's arn't good at all. Marcus Morris barely played and you i cant give you kudos for that pick. Hard to judge how a player will turn out when they barely play and dont produce in the limited mins they get. Westbrook is a stud no doubt about it, but i dont feel like you built around him as best as you could have. Marion was a huge reach where you selected him and isnt quite a SF anymore. Henderson is much more of a SF then a SG and Barrea is undersized and didnt have a great year last season. I would have liked to have seen you trade Randolph to try to get a starting Center...bring Frye off the bencn and start Marion at PF with Henderson at SF. I think your biggest issue, was this is your first BAT and you didnt quite know when certain players would get picked, i think youll do much better second time around. I know your gunna hate your ranking, i just dont think you can go deep into the playoffs with your front court the way it is.
20. Raps - Trading Howard was about the dumbest thing you could have done. I had you as a top 5 team before that trade. Joe and Howard were a tremendous fit together. Gortat is good and i agree that he is underated, but he does not impact the game like Howard does. Gentys a decent coach and your write up pissed me off with all the quotes and pics. I honestly didnt read a single one of those quotes and just skimmed through your writeups because it was so much.
21. Nets
22. Warriors
23. Rockets
Kinda in a rush to go. Some arent going to like their rankings, just how i feel about championship potential.