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Post#16 Re: Post Game Analysis Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:52 pm by Sprewell4Three

j4remis analysis are too long...
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Post#17 Re: Post Game Analysis Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:12 pm by j4remi

Sprewell4Three wrote:j4remis analysis are too long...


I try to organize it so you can read about the players you care about and skip things that aren't important to you. The game notes are really the only piece that's necessary to get an idea of how the team played as a whole.
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Post#18 Re: Post Game Analysis Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:19 pm by knicksosmoove

Sprewell4Three wrote:j4remis analysis are too long...


yeah, agreed. not saying j4remis write-ups are bad per se, but you gotta be more succinct if you want people to read through and respond to them
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Post#19 Re: Post Game Analysis Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:33 pm by [GR]

Why can't this just go into the regular post game threads?
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Post#20 Re: Post Game Analysis Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:34 pm by j4remi

Like I said, the player notes can be skipped entirely if you don't feel like reading...it's more recap style with examples of plays and explanations of what people are complaining about/cheering about in the game thread (as in my focus is for people who missed the game). The game notes is where you get the big talking points and they're only two or three paragraphs long.
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Post#21 Re: Post Game Analysis Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:35 pm by Thugger HBC

I actually like the way Remi has been doing that.

Team analysis, individual player, statistical summary, and other notes which may or may not be opinion based.

The keys are useful more to persons who didn't watch the game, and secondly to get other perspective.

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Post#22 Re: Post Game Analysis Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:36 pm by j4remi

[GR] wrote:Why can't this just go into the regular post game threads?


If you read the OP we're looking for a volunteer to do the post game threads with analysis. This isn't a second post game thread, it's a request for someone who can post timely breakdowns after the games.
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Post#23 Re: Post Game Analysis Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:37 pm by Thugger HBC

[GR] wrote:Why can't this just go into the regular post game threads?

This thread is for persons who want to be the permanent person to do the post game threads.
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Post#24 Re: Post Game Analysis Thread
Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:37 am by knicksosmoove

j4remi wrote:
Sprewell4Three wrote:j4remis analysis are too long...


I try to organize it so you can read about the players you care about and skip things that aren't important to you. The game notes are really the only piece that's necessary to get an idea of how the team played as a whole.


I don't want to seem critical here--I think the quality of your observations is very good and worth the read to those who have the time for it--I just don't know if the way you're doing it is ever going to spark discussion which seemed to be the point of the keys to the game.

He Who Shall Not Be Named was very good at making a quick, concise observation that could lead to a discussion. he also didn't always view things with rose colored glasses, which I think made his notes more interesting.

something like:

Tyson--I think his greatest impact on this game was his defense on Roy Hibbert--took him out of the game and that opened things up for us to get a lead. sometimes I think Tyson leaves his feet too much which leads to him getting a lot of fouls.

will probably generate more discussion than:

Tyson--Tyson had a good game. He did a really good job of defending Roy Hibbert all night. 3-7 shooting for 7 shots isn't too great, but he had some nice finishes from Felton so I think his offense was okay. 9 rebounds is pretty good, and 5 offensive rebounds is excellent. he had one block shot which is pretty good. he did a good job in the first half finishing alley oops but then didn't do too much in the second half. he also had some steals which was nice to see.

I just think that the first one would give people something to focus on ... I understand wanting to recap what happened in as much detail as possible, but most of the people who read this stuff are die-hards anyway: we all know how Tyson, Carmelo, Felton, etc. play on most nights ... just a quick observation or two will usually suffice ...
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Post#25 Re: Post Game Analysis Thread
Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:57 am by Thugger HBC

Remi's Tyson assessment combined both of what you desired and others.

Ironic ain't it?

But the overall gist of this is missed.....

The guys who are requesting are primarily folks who didn't watch the game.

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Post#26 Re: Post Game Analysis Thread
Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:59 am by DRoberstonNYY

i hope we get somebody half as good as TKF to be honest.. the post game threads were my favorite part of this forum.. just a ton of quality discussion.. hell, i wish TKF would come back, but that's another story for another day

and scrub of the night.. how could this be forgotten?
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Post#27 Re: Post Game Analysis Thread
Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:25 am by Dr. Detfink

There is no post game analysis necessary. Knicks won a game they should win. Onto the next...
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Post#28 Re: Post Game Analysis Thread
Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:39 am by j4remi

knicksosmoove wrote:
j4remi wrote:
Sprewell4Three wrote:j4remis analysis are too long...


I try to organize it so you can read about the players you care about and skip things that aren't important to you. The game notes are really the only piece that's necessary to get an idea of how the team played as a whole.


I don't want to seem critical here--I think the quality of your observations is very good and worth the read to those who have the time for it--I just don't know if the way you're doing it is ever going to spark discussion which seemed to be the point of the keys to the game.

He Who Shall Not Be Named was very good at making a quick, concise observation that could lead to a discussion. he also didn't always view things with rose colored glasses, which I think made his notes more interesting.

something like:

Tyson--I think his greatest impact on this game was his defense on Roy Hibbert--took him out of the game and that opened things up for us to get a lead. sometimes I think Tyson leaves his feet too much which leads to him getting a lot of fouls.

will probably generate more discussion than:

Tyson--Tyson had a good game. He did a really good job of defending Roy Hibbert all night. 3-7 shooting for 7 shots isn't too great, but he had some nice finishes from Felton so I think his offense was okay. 9 rebounds is pretty good, and 5 offensive rebounds is excellent. he had one block shot which is pretty good. he did a good job in the first half finishing alley oops but then didn't do too much in the second half. he also had some steals which was nice to see.

I just think that the first one would give people something to focus on ... I understand wanting to recap what happened in as much detail as possible, but most of the people who read this stuff are die-hards anyway: we all know how Tyson, Carmelo, Felton, etc. play on most nights ... just a quick observation or two will usually suffice ...


I have no problem with constructive criticism man, feel free to give your thoughts... I'm more experimenting with structure on this...I'm not looking to spark a discussion with generalities. The concise, simplified breakdown is usually the first sentence or two before I go into deeper analysis. I'm trying to kill the box score based discussions by providing statistics in context and recreating images from the game. So while it might not spark big time discussion...anyone just working from the box score and having questions can pick out any individual player and hit up my post for an explanation that typically touches on the overall performance of that guy. I'm not really gunning for a keys to the thread feel...My goals are different.
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Post#29 Re: Post Game Analysis Thread
Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:21 am by moocow007

I'll do one now and then but most important thing to keep in mind is to keep it clean (i.e. what's gone is gone no reason bringing up any former Knicks in comparison...if you know what I mean).
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Post#30 Re: Post Game Analysis Thread
Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:10 pm by knicksosmoove

j4remi wrote:
knicksosmoove wrote:
j4remi wrote:I try to organize it so you can read about the players you care about and skip things that aren't important to you. The game notes are really the only piece that's necessary to get an idea of how the team played as a whole.


I don't want to seem critical here--I think the quality of your observations is very good and worth the read to those who have the time for it--I just don't know if the way you're doing it is ever going to spark discussion which seemed to be the point of the keys to the game.

He Who Shall Not Be Named was very good at making a quick, concise observation that could lead to a discussion. he also didn't always view things with rose colored glasses, which I think made his notes more interesting.

something like:

Tyson--I think his greatest impact on this game was his defense on Roy Hibbert--took him out of the game and that opened things up for us to get a lead. sometimes I think Tyson leaves his feet too much which leads to him getting a lot of fouls.

will probably generate more discussion than:

Tyson--Tyson had a good game. He did a really good job of defending Roy Hibbert all night. 3-7 shooting for 7 shots isn't too great, but he had some nice finishes from Felton so I think his offense was okay. 9 rebounds is pretty good, and 5 offensive rebounds is excellent. he had one block shot which is pretty good. he did a good job in the first half finishing alley oops but then didn't do too much in the second half. he also had some steals which was nice to see.

I just think that the first one would give people something to focus on ... I understand wanting to recap what happened in as much detail as possible, but most of the people who read this stuff are die-hards anyway: we all know how Tyson, Carmelo, Felton, etc. play on most nights ... just a quick observation or two will usually suffice ...


I have no problem with constructive criticism man, feel free to give your thoughts... I'm more experimenting with structure on this...I'm not looking to spark a discussion with generalities. The concise, simplified breakdown is usually the first sentence or two before I go into deeper analysis. I'm trying to kill the box score based discussions by providing statistics in context and recreating images from the game. So while it might not spark big time discussion...anyone just working from the box score and having questions can pick out any individual player and hit up my post for an explanation that typically touches on the overall performance of that guy. I'm not really gunning for a keys to the thread feel...My goals are different.


yeah, I definitely think you should give your breakdowns at some point in the thread, but if that's how you want to do it then maybe someone else should be the guy who starts the thread. not trying to be harsh here, but the fact of the matter is that your breakdowns don't spark discussion. again, not saying your analysis is bad. I'm saying it's not effective at getting responses from people.

it's a hard job. I know I wouldn't be capable of doing it, and to be honest I'm having a hard time thinking of a regular poster who would be able to even come close to matching the quality of the old post-game threads ...
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Post#31 Re: Post Game Analysis Thread
Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:17 pm by knicksosmoove

DRoberstonNYY wrote:i hope we get somebody half as good as TKF to be honest.. the post game threads were my favorite part of this forum.. just a ton of quality discussion.. hell, i wish TKF would come back, but that's another story for another day

and scrub of the night.. how could this be forgotten?


I know I shouldn't keep harping on it but this board did itself a huge disservice by driving out a lot of posters who had interesting things to say

TKF's analysis was as good or better than those of a lot of people who get paid to do this stuff, and the morons on this board drove him away. how is it good for the quality of the board to drive guys like TKF and dk7th away while letting lowlifes with no point of view who hang around making potshots at people all the time stick around for infinity? it's stupidity and/or madness, to me ....
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Post#32 Re: Post Game Analysis Thread
Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:28 pm by j4remi

knicksosmoove wrote:yeah, I definitely think you should give your breakdowns at some point in the thread, but if that's how you want to do it then maybe someone else should be the guy who starts the thread. not trying to be harsh here, but the fact of the matter is that your breakdowns don't spark discussion. again, not saying your analysis is bad. I'm saying it's not effective at getting responses from people.

it's a hard job. I know I wouldn't be capable of doing it, and to be honest I'm having a hard time thinking of a regular poster who would be able to even come close to matching the quality of the old post-game threads ...


And that is why I've literally never volunteered to start the thread. I throw my analysis into the recent OP's because there's nothing consistent going up, but I'm waiting for Paco to come back and handle it. His post game threads were pretty damned good.
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Post#33 Re: Post Game Analysis Thread
Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:53 pm by knicksosmoove

j4remi wrote:
knicksosmoove wrote:yeah, I definitely think you should give your breakdowns at some point in the thread, but if that's how you want to do it then maybe someone else should be the guy who starts the thread. not trying to be harsh here, but the fact of the matter is that your breakdowns don't spark discussion. again, not saying your analysis is bad. I'm saying it's not effective at getting responses from people.

it's a hard job. I know I wouldn't be capable of doing it, and to be honest I'm having a hard time thinking of a regular poster who would be able to even come close to matching the quality of the old post-game threads ...


And that is why I've literally never volunteered to start the thread. I throw my analysis into the recent OP's because there's nothing consistent going up, but I'm waiting for Paco to come back and handle it. His post game threads were pretty damned good.


yeah, I'm sorry if it seems like I'm picking on your write-ups. I don't mean to be a jerk. you're right, you never said you were trying to take over that job.

maybe it's something that has to happen organically ...
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Post#34 Re: Post Game Analysis Thread
Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:06 pm by NYKat

knicksosmoove wrote:
DRoberstonNYY wrote:i hope we get somebody half as good as TKF to be honest.. the post game threads were my favorite part of this forum.. just a ton of quality discussion.. hell, i wish TKF would come back, but that's another story for another day

and scrub of the night.. how could this be forgotten?


I know I shouldn't keep harping on it but this board did itself a huge disservice by driving out a lot of posters who had interesting things to say

TKF's analysis was as good or better than those of a lot of people who get paid to do this stuff, and the morons on this board drove him away. how is it good for the quality of the board to drive guys like TKF and dk7th away while letting lowlifes with no point of view who hang around making potshots at people all the time stick around for infinity? it's stupidity and/or madness, to me ....


I don't think he's banned from here, is he? Since you choose to harp on him so much, you might consider following him to whatever board he's currently posting on.
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Post#35 Re: Post Game Analysis Thread
Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:10 pm by knicksosmoove

NYKat wrote:
knicksosmoove wrote:
DRoberstonNYY wrote:i hope we get somebody half as good as TKF to be honest.. the post game threads were my favorite part of this forum.. just a ton of quality discussion.. hell, i wish TKF would come back, but that's another story for another day

and scrub of the night.. how could this be forgotten?


I know I shouldn't keep harping on it but this board did itself a huge disservice by driving out a lot of posters who had interesting things to say

TKF's analysis was as good or better than those of a lot of people who get paid to do this stuff, and the morons on this board drove him away. how is it good for the quality of the board to drive guys like TKF and dk7th away while letting lowlifes with no point of view who hang around making potshots at people all the time stick around for infinity? it's stupidity and/or madness, to me ....


I don't think he's banned from here, is he? Since you choose to harp on him so much, you might consider following him to whatever board he's currently posting on.


yeah and this is exactly the sort of crap that should be clamped down on around here ... why don't you go back to the peanut gallery?

guess what, when that guy posted, you could tell on the other side of the computer screen was a guy with a brain and perspective. what do you bring? nothing of quality. only thing you seem to have in your arsenal is pot shots.
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