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J.R. SMITH : best price/benefit ratio?

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Post#1 » by GeneralNbaFan » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:02 pm

Why did this guy sign only for 2,8 mio?

Camby, Novak, Felton, Kidd are earning more than him!
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Post#2 » by GoNYK1288 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:07 pm

I don't think there's any doubt were getting
Huge bang for our buck with jr. He's probably the best deal with the possible exception of some amnesty players like brand.

It seems the reason he came for so cheap is because of an under the table deal with the Knicks that led them to sign his little brother Chris. We will also have his bird rights after this season meaning hell likely get a big contract from us
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Post#3 » by Thugger HBC » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:14 pm

Jr wants the bigger payday.

You need bird rights for that.

He's on the cheap now......

That's Earl.

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Post#4 » by j4remi » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:16 pm

Brewer could make a case as well imo...We have some GREAT value contracts in Brewer, Smith and Kidd.
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Post#5 » by GeneralNbaFan » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:21 pm

j4remi wrote:Brewer could make a case as well imo...We have some GREAT value contracts in Brewer, Smith and Kidd.


Yes thats right, I looked at the roster and tried to explain that a player should never agree to getting paid millions less, but all the players are on a good contract ( JR is still the best)....

I think the only one who shouldnt making that much is Novak.... i think 3mio would be ok!
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Post#6 » by Thugger HBC » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:23 pm

Novak received market set money.

I think he was sold on that to stay.

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Post#7 » by Sark » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:44 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:Jr wants the bigger payday.

You need bird rights for that.

He's on the cheap now......

That's Earl.

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What do you think he's gonna get in the next contract? 4/$48m sound right?
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Post#8 » by fdr2012 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:51 pm

Sark wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:Jr wants the bigger payday.

You need bird rights for that.

He's on the cheap now......

That's Earl.

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What do you think he's gonna get in the next contract? 4/$48m sound right?


Knicks will only have early Bird rights for him. That means $5M PER the most he could get. I think the Knicks offer him $20M/4 and that's really what he's worth.

I can't see any team under the cap offering him more. 4/$48M is absurd for JR. Not even close.
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Post#9 » by Sark » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:01 pm

fdr2012 wrote:
Sark wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:Jr wants the bigger payday.

You need bird rights for that.

He's on the cheap now......

That's Earl.

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What do you think he's gonna get in the next contract? 4/$48m sound right?


Knicks will only have early Bird rights for him. That means $5M PER the most he could get. I think the Knicks offer him $20M/4 and that's really what he's worth.

I can't see any team under the cap offering him more. 4/$48M is absurd for JR. Not even close.


Landry got offered more than that. I can easily see another team throwing money at him.
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Post#10 » by GeneralNbaFan » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:02 pm

fdr2012 wrote:
Sark wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:Jr wants the bigger payday.

You need bird rights for that.

He's on the cheap now......

That's Earl.

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What do you think he's gonna get in the next contract? 4/$48m sound right?


Knicks will only have early Bird rights for him. That means $5M PER the most he could get. I think the Knicks offer him $20M/4 and that's really what he's worth.

I can't see any team under the cap offering him more. 4/$48M is absurd for JR. Not even close.


I really dont like him as a player and I dont think he had the upside to become a "Superstar" like Kobe, but I think hes worth 10mio. +
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Post#11 » by fdr2012 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:39 pm

Sark wrote:Landry got offered more than that. I can easily see another team throwing money at him.


Landry was a "good character" guy and he was 24, so an idiot GM like Colangelo overpaid for him.

JR is a problem guy and nobody is going to overpay for him. He needs to be coddled by a guy like Woodson in order to perform. What team under the cap is going to bid $10M for him?

Houston? Phoenix? Kings? Cavs? Bucks? NOH? Jazz? Hawks? Pistons? Mavs?

Nobody is bidding more than MLE money for JR.
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Post#12 » by fdr2012 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:42 pm

GeneralNbaFan wrote:I really dont like him as a player and I dont think he had the upside to become a "Superstar" like Kobe, but I think hes worth 10mio. +


There will be 10 teas under the cap next season. Which one offer JR $10M?

1. Houston
2. Phoenix
3. Kings
4. Cavs
5. Bucks
6. NOH
7. Jazz
8. Hawks
9. Pistons
10. Mavs

People are forgetting that Mayo got $4M and he's 24.
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Post#13 » by 21shumpshumpst » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:52 pm

Damn this thread made me worried we will lose JR next season. If we only have early bird rights and can offer him 5 million a year max then he is gone for sure. Someone is going to offer him more money than that. :evil: :evil: :(
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Post#14 » by fdr2012 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:53 pm

21shumpshumpst wrote:Damn this thread made me worried we will lose JR next season. If we only have early bird rights and can offer him 5 million a year max then he is gone for sure. Someone is going to offer him more money than that. :evil: :evil: :(


Who? There is nobody who's giving him more money.
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Post#15 » by fdr2012 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:53 pm

21shumpshumpst wrote:Damn this thread made me worried we will lose JR next season. If we only have early bird rights and can offer him 5 million a year max then he is gone for sure. Someone is going to offer him more money than that. :evil: :evil: :(


Who? There is nobody who's giving him more money.
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Post#16 » by j4remi » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:55 pm

I could see the Hawks, Pistons and Kings making runs at JR tbh...but I'm confident that he'll want to stay in NY unless he gets some massive offer that shouldn't happen.
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Post#17 » by GratefulDead » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:57 pm

fdr2012 wrote:
21shumpshumpst wrote:Damn this thread made me worried we will lose JR next season. If we only have early bird rights and can offer him 5 million a year max then he is gone for sure. Someone is going to offer him more money than that. :evil: :evil: :(


Who? There is nobody who's giving him more money.


Lol this exact thing was said about lin and landry.... "nobody will give them more..."
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Post#18 » by fdr2012 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:03 am

j4remi wrote:I could see the Hawks, Pistons and Kings making runs at JR tbh...but I'm confident that he'll want to stay in NY unless he gets some massive offer that shouldn't happen.


Pistons? They are going nowhere and they have been burnt with every FA signing during the past 5 years. They already have Stuckey at the 2. ZERO chance they throw money @ JR.

Kings? The only way they do something is if they waive Tyreke. I doubt they want to pair Cousins with JR.

Hawks? They just signed Lou Williams. ZERO chance they throw money on JR.

JR has a bad rep in the league. He's 27, so he's only good for a win-now team. Nobody is giving him more than $5M.
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Post#19 » by Thugger HBC » Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:05 am

JR is loyal to a tee.

He won't leave his brother Melo, and his dad, Mr. Woodson.
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Post#20 » by fdr2012 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:05 am

GratefulDead wrote:Lol this exact thing was said about lin and landry.... "nobody will give them more..."


Everybody knew Lin was getting offers, if not only for the China marketing appeal. Houston was pretty obvious.
As for Landry - there was only one GM who offered him anything and you're forgetting Landry is known to be a great character glue guy who was only 24.

Nobody wanted JR this summer, so I can't see how or why that changes.

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