Think Dantoni wants Novak? Novak+Brew for Artest?

gregzzy22 · Post #46 » by **gregzzy22** » Tue Jan 8, 2013 8:53 pm

Wow. People on this board have serious mental deficencies

Im Coming Home · Post #47 » by **Im Coming Home** » Tue Jan 8, 2013 8:55 pm

I love Novak, but I would do this for Ron Ron, I'd be sad to see Novak go though.

seren · Post #48 » by **seren** » Tue Jan 8, 2013 9:31 pm

I am pretty sure Dantoni is not the GM of the Lakers.

Knicksfan20 · Post #49 » by **Knicksfan20** » Tue Jan 8, 2013 10:26 pm

seren wrote:I am pretty sure Dantoni is not the GM of the Lakers.

Its Dantoni's system. The GM knows Dantoni needs personnel to run his system. No **** Dantoni isnt the GM.

Post #50 » by **moocow007** » Tue Jan 8, 2013 10:31 pm

seren wrote:I am pretty sure Dantoni is not the GM of the Lakers.

Novak actually would probably be one of the most ideal players for D'Antoni right now. You can play him next to Howard to compensate for his difficiencies defensively. He'd stretch the floor for Kobe and Howard. Nash in SSOL should be able to get Novak the ball in perfect shooting situations which likely will bump his 3PT% back up pass 40%.

Pharmcat · Post #51 » by **Pharmcat** » Tue Jan 8, 2013 10:38 pm

novaks 4 yr deal messes with their 2014 plan

Falstaffxx · Post #52 » by **Falstaffxx** » Tue Jan 8, 2013 10:39 pm

Artest would be really good on this team. Novak is a nice piece, but Artest would have a big all-around impact.

Knicksfan20 · Post #53 » by **Knicksfan20** » Tue Jan 8, 2013 10:54 pm

gregzzy22 wrote:Wow. People on this board have serious mental deficencies

explain.

Since89 · Post #54 » by **Since89** » Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:33 am

Since89 · Post #55 » by **Since89** » Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:34 am

moocow007 wrote:
seren wrote:I am pretty sure Dantoni is not the GM of the Lakers.

Novak actually would probably be one of the most ideal players for D'Antoni right now. You can play him next to Howard to compensate for his difficiencies defensively. He'd stretch the floor for Kobe and Howard. Nash in SSOL should be able to get Novak the ball in perfect shooting situations which likely will bump his 3PT% back up pass 40%.

Novak is shooting 45% from 3

taj2133 · Post #56 » by **taj2133** » Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:38 am

artest won't do well this team complete stupid idiot and has no business in the nba plus no team wants him the lakers would love to trade artest for anybody but no gm crazy mental (Please Use More Appropriate Word) on there team.

Knicksfan20 · Post #57 » by **Knicksfan20** » Wed Jan 9, 2013 2:51 am

taj2133 wrote:artest won't do well this team complete stupid idiot and has no business in the nba plus no team wants him the lakers would love to trade artest for anybody but no gm crazy mental (Please Use More Appropriate Word) on there team.

We already have a team full of crazies anyways. We're about to sign Kenyon. Might as well add another to the mix.

Greenie · Post #58 » by **Greenie** » Wed Jan 9, 2013 4:06 am

Knicksfan20 wrote:Deadly shooting doesnt help when he is constantly gets beat on defense and on the boards. Doesnt help when he only takes 3 shots in 20 minutes. Its not going to help too much in the playoffs when he wont be able to find an inch of breathing room.

He is a one dimensional player. Artest is a great defender, good rebounder and a solid offensive player. WE wont have to make offense/defense subs...because Artest can play on both ends.

Is this still true?

seren · Post #59 » by **seren** » Wed Jan 9, 2013 4:11 am

Knicksfan20 wrote:
seren wrote:I am pretty sure Dantoni is not the GM of the Lakers.

Its Dantoni's system. The GM knows Dantoni needs personnel to run his system. No **** Dantoni isnt the GM.

It doesn't matter.

People continuously underestimate that ownership / front office. They have a plan set. They are eyeing 2014 FA market. They ain't taking any contracts past 2014 unless that player is Lebron James or at the least Kevin Love.

aj49689 · Post #60 » by **aj49689** » Wed Jan 9, 2013 5:18 am

seren wrote:
Knicksfan20 wrote:
seren wrote:I am pretty sure Dantoni is not the GM of the Lakers.

Its Dantoni's system. The GM knows Dantoni needs personnel to run his system. No **** Dantoni isnt the GM.

It doesn't matter.

People continuously underestimate that ownership / front office. They have a plan set. They are eyeing 2014 FA market. They ain't taking any contracts past 2014 unless that player is Lebron James or at the least Kevin Love.

They can always amnesty him if he was not in the plans or trade him in a year or 2.

ibraheim718 · Post #61 » by **ibraheim718** » Wed Jan 9, 2013 5:20 am

Y'all are crazy.. that's like adding kerosene to a bon fire.

Post #62 » by **moocow007** » Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:56 pm

Since89 wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
seren wrote:I am pretty sure Dantoni is not the GM of the Lakers.

Novak actually would probably be one of the most ideal players for D'Antoni right now. You can play him next to Howard to compensate for his difficiencies defensively. He'd stretch the floor for Kobe and Howard. Nash in SSOL should be able to get Novak the ball in perfect shooting situations which likely will bump his 3PT% back up pass 40%.

Novak is shooting 45% from 3

He is? Then what the heck are we looking to trade him for?!?!?!?

Post #63 » by **moocow007** » Wed Jan 9, 2013 2:10 pm

aj49689 wrote:
seren wrote:
Knicksfan20 wrote:
Its Dantoni's system. The GM knows Dantoni needs personnel to run his system. No **** Dantoni isnt the GM.

It doesn't matter.

People continuously underestimate that ownership / front office. They have a plan set. They are eyeing 2014 FA market. They ain't taking any contracts past 2014 unless that player is Lebron James or at the least Kevin Love.

They can always amnesty him if he was not in the plans or trade him in a year or 2.

Who? Novak? If that's who you are referring to, the Lakers would not be able to amnesty Novak.

Teams can only amnesty someone that was on the team already when the lockout ended AND currently under the SAME contract he had when the 2011 lockout ended. For the Lakers that means the only guys they can amnesty are Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, Metta World Peace and Steve Blake (and none of them are under contract beyond 2013-2014). Everyone else on that team either was not on the team when the lockout ended (Steve Nash, Earl Clark, Chris Duhon, Jordan Hill, Dwight Howard, Antawn Jamison, Jodie Meeks, Robert Sacre) OR were on the team but has since signed new contracts (i.e. Devin Ebanks, Darius Morris).

But as far as the Lakers not willing to do this deal because of the believed 2014 bonanza? Yes, I agree, they still could. Novak's contract in the final year is not a backbreaker and he should not be difficult to deal at all after the 2014 season if they need to clear the $3.75M/YEAR remaining on his contract when he'll still be in his prime at 31 (not that age really is that great an impact for a 3 point specialist who doesn't rely on his physical tools). It's likely the same rationale the Knicks had when they themselves signed Novak to a new deal that was 1 year longer than pretty much everyone else on the team (If the Lakers have a 2014 plan, then it's easy to argue that the Knicks have a 2015 plan since that's when Anthony, SToudemire and Chandlers deals all go off the books).

ORANGEandBLUE · Post #64 » by **ORANGEandBLUE** » Wed Jan 9, 2013 2:13 pm

moocow007 wrote:He is? Then what the heck are we looking to trade him for?!?!?!?

Because we have four guys who can shoot 3's at around 40% in Felton, Kidd, JR, and Melo.

Plus we have weaknesses that should be addressed. We don't really have anybody to outmuscle the Reggie Evans' and Jared Sullingers of the league. And it's uncertain whether we'll have the elite perimeter defender we need, with Brewer slipping and Shump's health status still uncertain. It'd be especially helpful to have a versatile defender at the 3/4, so Melo doesn't have to guard the Lebrons and Durants of the league.

I would probably wait until the deadline before making any moves, but Novak is a prime candidate to be dealt because his contract is big enough to allow us to take back salary.

Post #65 » by **moocow007** » Wed Jan 9, 2013 2:14 pm

ORANGEandBLUE wrote:
moocow007 wrote:He is? Then what the heck are we looking to trade him for?!?!?!?

Because we have four guys who can shoot 3's at around 40% in Felton, Kidd, JR, and Melo.

Plus we have weaknesses that should be addressed. We don't really have anybody to outmuscle the Reggie Evans' and Jared Sullingers of the league. And it's uncertain whether we'll have the elite perimeter defender we need, with Brewer slipping and Shump's health status still uncertain. It'd be especially helpful to have a versatile defender at the 3/4, so Melo doesn't have to guard the Lebrons and Durants of the league.

I would probably wait until the deadline before making any moves, but Novak is a prime candidate to be dealt because his contract is big enough to allow us to take back salary.

I know I know...I was just trying to be a smart alec.

I've been a big Artest fan since before that idiot GM Ed Tapscott drafted Frederic Weiss instead of Artest and started the trend of a decade of stupid, stupid moves by a succession of Knick GM's.