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Frazier: Heat not an all-time great team 

Post#1 » by Brooklyn_Yards » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:12 pm

The Miami Heat are chasing history, but New York Knicks Hall of Famer Walt Frazier doesn't think much of what they've accomplished this season.

"I think they're the best team in the NBA, but I wouldn't call them a great team. I wouldn't rank them anywhere near the top 10 best teams ever," Frazier said Friday on ESPN New York 98.7 FM's "The Michael Kay Show."

"It's more an indication of how weak the NBA is right now than their superiority," Frazier said.

Frazier doesn't think the Heat will break L.A.'s record.

"I never thought that that record would ever be matched, and Miami is close, but I don't think they're going to do it. You know why? They're struggling," Frazier said.

"When we [the Knicks] were the first team in 1969-70 to win 18 consecutive games, the starting five was on the bench in the fourth quarter. I mean, we were blowing teams out. Miami is not blowing teams out; they're making miraculous comebacks.

"So I think sooner or later it's gonna catch up with them. The other problem is they're playing mediocre teams. They're playing teams that have nothing to lose and they're looking to make their season by breaking that streak, so I think that's going to eventually cause their demise."

Six of Miami's next 10 games are against teams with losing records.

Asked who would win in a game between the 1995-96 Chicago Bulls, who won a league-record 72 games, or this Heat team, Frazier said, "C'mon. The Bulls. Please don't say that this is a great team, guys. These guys maybe have two [future] Hall of Famers. C'mon. This is not a great team."

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Re: Frazier: Heat not an all-time great team 

Post#2 » by Leaguepass » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:17 pm

I agree pretty much....I don't think this Heat team would have won more than 1 or 2 games against the Jordan Bulls,Shaq Lakers,Duncan Spurs-----I even doubt they'd have beaten the Wallace Pistons but that one is probably really close. I also think the 2008 Celtics would have won a playoff series against them.
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Post#3 » by superjay779 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:18 pm

Rodman wouldn't even let Bosh get a rebound. Bosh would be crying by the second quarter. Pipen would have had his hands full but Wade wouldn't stand a chance against Jordan. His will to win is something I have never seen since he has retired.
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Post#4 » by Pharmcat » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:23 pm

has he been watching the games?

they pretty much try only half of the 48 mins and still win 25 straight
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Post#5 » by kane2021 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:24 pm

This seems odd to me. Wish i could have heard it. Cant picture clyde saying this for some reason. But i like it. No old school guys like what miami did.
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Post#6 » by Fury » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:25 pm

It's easy to try for half the game when the Cavs suck and are also missing their top 3 scorers. Ooooo Great team!

I love it. Stick to ESPN, Clyde.
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Post#7 » by Brooklyn_Yards » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:26 pm

kane2021 wrote:This seems odd to me. Wish i could have heard it. Cant picture clyde saying this for some reason. But i like it. No old school guys like what miami did.


http://espn.go.com/espnradio/newyork/play?id=9086451
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Post#8 » by kamelion4291 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:27 pm

The same people who rail LeBron for leaving Cleveland to create a superteam that "ruins the integrity of the league" are the same people who say that the 72-10 Bulls would crush Miami in a series. Pretty funny.

Also, it isn't really hard to see that Miami is coasting throughout the first halves and sometimes longer in a lot of these games, especially against the worse teams.
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Post#9 » by kane2021 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:28 pm

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kane2021 wrote:This seems odd to me. Wish i could have heard it. Cant picture clyde saying this for some reason. But i like it. No old school guys like what miami did.


http://espn.go.com/espnradio/newyork/play?id=9086451
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Post#10 » by I_Love_NYK » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:31 pm

You can't take away with what the Heat accomplished so far. 25 games is 25 games, but Clyde and many other NBA Legends do not like LeBron and this Heat team.

But this heat team vs the 95-96 Bulls. The Chicago Bulls without question, Dennis Rodman would literally butt-rape Chris Bosh in the paint. Bosh would not get 1 rebound off Rodman on him.
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Post#11 » by Leaguepass » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:35 pm

I personally don't read too much into streaks etc...I remember the Rockets winning 22 straight 5 years ago...they still weren't ****. Denver is on a 15 game win streak and I believe the Clippers have won like 17 or 18 straight this season as well. Doesn't say a whole lot IMO...
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Post#12 » by Pharmcat » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:37 pm

I_Love_NYK wrote:You can't take away with what the Heat accomplished so far. 25 games is 25 games, but Clyde and many other NBA Legends do not like LeBron and this Heat team.

But this heat team vs the 95-96 Bulls. The Chicago Bulls without question, Dennis Rodman would literally butt-rape Chris Bosh in the paint. Bosh would not get 1 rebound off Rodman on him.


the 96 team has no answer to wade and lbj combo
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Post#13 » by Heat3 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:41 pm

I guess the 95-96 Miami Heat must have been an all time great team. They beat Chicago with just 8 players, including 1 starter whose first game with the Heat was that very game.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/box ... 30MIA.html

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96 Heat vs 13 Heat.

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Post#14 » by NoLayupRule » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:42 pm

He's 100% right as usual

The heat are the best in the league perhaps but not really that impressive overall

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Post#15 » by Fury » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:42 pm

Pharmcat wrote:
I_Love_NYK wrote:You can't take away with what the Heat accomplished so far. 25 games is 25 games, but Clyde and many other NBA Legends do not like LeBron and this Heat team.

But this heat team vs the 95-96 Bulls. The Chicago Bulls without question, Dennis Rodman would literally butt-rape Chris Bosh in the paint. Bosh would not get 1 rebound off Rodman on him.


the 96 team has no answer to wade and lbj combo


The hell? Jordan and Pippen are all world defenders.

Who is matching up with Toni Kukoc?? Battier? lol
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Post#16 » by Thugger HBC » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:43 pm

Every era has a great team in it....right now, it's Miami, until beaten again.

I think Clyde has an issue with the free agency process, and in that case, blame the NBA, not the Miami heat.

Also blame players for not taking what they are worth.

Ironic that Duncan is praised for taking less so that his team can keep and place talent around him, but the Heat are criticized because they did the same thing.

Then on the flip side Durant and Westbrook take max deals, thus kicking a vital piece to the curb...with no backlash.

Hypcritical thinking imo.
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Post#17 » by Leaguepass » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:45 pm

The truth is that the east really does not have a strong team to put against Miami right now---I mean the amount of injuries to east teams this season has been ridiculous.....

Leaving all that aside it's just the impression you get when watching certain teams play.....the Heat IMO do not have that scare/intimidating factor to them.
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Post#18 » by JDs_loot » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:46 pm

I agree with Clyde. The NBA is down this year and with the way the CBA is structured, it's going to be harder for teams that are good to add significant pieces. Miami might be headed trowards a few more years of the kind of dominance they're displaying this year.
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Post#19 » by I_Love_NYK » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:51 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:Every era has a great team in it....right now, it's Miami, until beaten again.

I think Clyde has an issue with the free agency process, and in that case, blame the NBA, not the Miami heat.

Also blame players for not taking what they are worth.

Ironic that Duncan is praised for taking less so that his team can keep and place talent around him, but the Heat are criticized because they did the same thing.

Then on the flip side Durant and Westbrook take max deals, thus kicking a vital piece to the curb...with no backlash.

Hypcritical thinking imo.


Well it's also the whole factor of not leaving your team. Duncan was a San Antonio Spur his whole life and won championships. LeBron, Wade and Bosh were opponents at one time and all decided to form a team together.
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Post#20 » by Leaguepass » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:51 pm

JDs_loot wrote:I agree with Clyde. The NBA is down this year and with the way the CBA is structured, it's going to be harder for teams that are good to add significant pieces. Miami might be headed trowards a few more years of the kind of dominance they're displaying this year.


This....it was what I was thinking when the new CBA got structured....teams will have a harder time to improve to Miami's level...

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