Shved - 14, 4, 5, 3, 1 @ GSW

[Crazy8s]

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If it costs us stretching Jose, fine. Shved's $4M option is worth it.

Shved has a complete game, is smart and aggressive with the ball when the offense stagnates, stays in front of his man, is savvy in the lane, deceptive, quick, reads box outs well.

No doubt about it, stretching Jose's contract is worth it, just to keep Shved. Between he and Galloway, we've got a back-court that can defend and is a perimeter threat. In the case of Shved, especially compared to Jose, we have a triple threat offensive player that creates defensive rotations and makes the right pass, but can also pull up, attack the rim, draw the foul.

[sPALL]

Having Shved on our team will only help. He has skills that other ex-Knick point guards failed with.

[GONYK]

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If it costs us stretching Jose, fine. Shved's $4M option is worth it.

Shved has a complete game, is smart and aggressive with the ball when the offense stagnates, stays in front of his man, is savvy in the lane, deceptive, quick, reads box outs well.

No doubt about it, stretching Jose's contract is worth it, just to keep Shved. Between he and Galloway, we've got a back-court that can defend and is a perimeter threat. In the case of Shved, especially compared to Jose, we have a triple threat offensive player that creates defensive rotations and makes the right pass, but can also pull up, attack the rim, draw the foul.

...or we just not do that and re-sign him for something way less than $4mil

[Sark]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlrkcEFQtNw[/youtube]

If it costs us stretching Jose, fine. Shved's $4M option is worth it.

Shved has a complete game, is smart and aggressive with the ball when the offense stagnates, stays in front of his man, is savvy in the lane, deceptive, quick, reads box outs well.

No doubt about it, stretching Jose's contract is worth it, just to keep Shved. Between he and Galloway, we've got a back-court that can defend and is a perimeter threat. In the case of Shved, especially compared to Jose, we have a triple threat offensive player that creates defensive rotations and makes the right pass, but can also pull up, attack the rim, draw the foul.

...or we just not do that and re-sign him for something way less than $4mil

What's way less? You expect him to sign for $50k?

[Sark]

Just an FYI. He's making #3.2m this year. He's playing great right now.

If you think he's taking some sort of massive pay cut down to $2m or lower, then you're smoking crack.

[DickGrayson]

Offensively, streaky shooter. Weak body, can't handle contact or get to the FT line. Can't be a spot up shooter because his jumper isn't good...struggles to be average.
Defensively is a huge liability, two slow to guard PG's, not agile or strong enough to guard SGs.
At the end of the day, a lot of guys in the world can join this Knicks roster and look good.

Most guys on the current Knicks roster aren't even top 200 NBA players.
Guys like Galloway and Shved will standout(except Galloway actually plays strong defense at both positions).
What they do on a tanking roster shouldn't determine how much they should be paid. Theres about 4-8 back up PG's in free agency we can sign for the same price who are twice the player Shved is and will ever be. Shved is a borderline NBA player at best.

Pass.

[Foye]

Someone has to put up stats even on a tanking team. He's still a scrub.
Just like many players of my team, too, before the Timberwolves bashing on here begins.

[Sark]

Offensively, streaky shooter. Weak body, can't handle contact or get to the FT line. Can't be a spot up shooter because his jumper isn't good...struggles to be average.
Defensively is a huge liability, two slow to guard PG's, not agile or strong enough to guard SGs.
At the end of the day, a lot of guys in the world can join this Knicks roster and look good.

Most guys on the current Knicks roster aren't even top 200 NBA players.
Guys like Galloway and Shved will standout(except Galloway actually plays strong defense at both positions).
What they do on a tanking roster shouldn't determine how much they should be paid. Theres about 4-8 back up PG's in free agency we can sign for the same price who are twice the player Shved is and will ever be. Shved is a borderline NBA player at best.

Pass.

Wait, did you say he can't get to the FT line?

Cuz in 11 games, he has more FTA than Dalembert (32 games), Wear (46 games), Pablo (43 games), Calderon (42 games), ShumpShump (24 games), Earl Smith (24 games), COLE (47 games), Larkin (59 games), and the same number as Langston Galloway (28 games).

On a per game basis, he averages 4.8 fts/pg, while our top player is Melo at 5.9 fts/pg. That is good for second on the team.

[trlp1712]

Offensively, streaky shooter. Weak body, can't handle contact or get to the FT line. Can't be a spot up shooter because his jumper isn't good...struggles to be average.
Defensively is a huge liability, two slow to guard PG's, not agile or strong enough to guard SGs.
At the end of the day, a lot of guys in the world can join this Knicks roster and look good.

Most guys on the current Knicks roster aren't even top 200 NBA players.
Guys like Galloway and Shved will standout(except Galloway actually plays strong defense at both positions).
What they do on a tanking roster shouldn't determine how much they should be paid. Theres about 4-8 back up PG's in free agency we can sign for the same price who are twice the player Shved is and will ever be. Shved is a borderline NBA player at best.

Pass.

I knew some knicks fans were insecure about their players, but this is a whole another level.

[TheBigBoss]

Offensively, streaky shooter. Weak body, can't handle contact or get to the FT line. Can't be a spot up shooter because his jumper isn't good...struggles to be average.
Defensively is a huge liability, two slow to guard PG's, not agile or strong enough to guard SGs.
At the end of the day, a lot of guys in the world can join this Knicks roster and look good.

Most guys on the current Knicks roster aren't even top 200 NBA players.
Guys like Galloway and Shved will standout(except Galloway actually plays strong defense at both positions).
What they do on a tanking roster shouldn't determine how much they should be paid. Theres about 4-8 back up PG's in free agency we can sign for the same price who are twice the player Shved is and will ever be. Shved is a borderline NBA player at best.

Pass.

Do you even watch the games?

[earthmansurfer]

Offensively, streaky shooter. Weak body, can't handle contact or get to the FT line. Can't be a spot up shooter because his jumper isn't good...struggles to be average.
Defensively is a huge liability, two slow to guard PG's, not agile or strong enough to guard SGs.
At the end of the day, a lot of guys in the world can join this Knicks roster and look good.

Most guys on the current Knicks roster aren't even top 200 NBA players.
Guys like Galloway and Shved will standout(except Galloway actually plays strong defense at both positions).
What they do on a tanking roster shouldn't determine how much they should be paid. Theres about 4-8 back up PG's in free agency we can sign for the same price who are twice the player Shved is and will ever be. Shved is a borderline NBA player at best.

Pass.

I agree with the two posters above regarding your post. What are you talking about? Have you watched the games?
You have a well written post but it is not about Shved, maybe it is from 2 years ago on limited minutes, but the
kid is playing very good defense, consistently breaking down defenses, dishing the ball well (with no really good shooters on the team nor star players), shooting ok - not great, showing brains out there, leading the team, rebounding.

[thebuzzardman]

DickGrayson seems to have a thing against Shved. Based on his career numbers (past performance), he feels he's an uber scrub.

I don't see that when I watch him play. I'm trying to factor in the "scrub players get stats on bad teams" effect, so I figure split the difference and what I see is a tall, "ok" back up PG.

I'd agree that there are probably another 4-6 backup PG's who could put up similar numbers. What I like about Shved is the Euroball influence, which lends itself to the triangle (or any ball movement offense). He seems to show an above average to read the spacing on the court, get to the rim, and make a pass or shoot.

My point is, if every team is going to have some rotational players who aren't that great, at least go for ones with some height for their position, who play in the way you want your team to play.

[FemaleDogPlease]

The Knicks are going to need bench players like Shved.

[Nazrmohamed]

Just an FYI. He's making #3.2m this year. He's playing great right now.

If you think he's taking some sort of massive pay cut down to $2m or lower, then you're smoking crack.

Yeah but nobody is scouting the knicks. Theres nothing to learn in these empty stats besides whether you belong in the nba or not. Everybody knows Shved belongs, what they dont know is if this is who he is vs a hot streak on a bad team. He'll get about 2mil

[NevaGivinKnixUp]

This is what his 3rd or 4th year? Most players take about that long to develop their game. We'd be fools to not retain him 4 mil or not, Phil really redeemed himself imo with Shved and Lang.

He's averaging 16.6 PTS 6.2 RBS 4.4 Assists and nearly a steal per game in his last 5 games, not to mention 3 steals against the best team in the league last night in 21 mins.

Lang is now qualified to join the rookie board after his 25 games, he's currently 3rd in points behind Wiggins, and Parker.

They play really well together and we're finally starting to resemble an NBA team.

[Bklyn&company]

Want to see him keep it up until the season ends, but I think he has grown, some players don't max(mature) out their abilities until their later 20's or early 30's years... If this is who he is I won't mind him back... hopefully Phil can talk to him and negotiate something a little less with an added option year attached.

[stopstandthere]

He must hit the gym room before the Knicks give him another contract.

[TheBigBoss]

Offensively, streaky shooter. Weak body, can't handle contact or get to the FT line. Can't be a spot up shooter because his jumper isn't good...struggles to be average.
Defensively is a huge liability, two slow to guard PG's, not agile or strong enough to guard SGs.
At the end of the day, a lot of guys in the world can join this Knicks roster and look good.

Most guys on the current Knicks roster aren't even top 200 NBA players.
Guys like Galloway and Shved will standout(except Galloway actually plays strong defense at both positions).
What they do on a tanking roster shouldn't determine how much they should be paid. Theres about 4-8 back up PG's in free agency we can sign for the same price who are twice the player Shved is and will ever be. Shved is a borderline NBA player at best.

Pass.

I agree with the two posters above regarding your post. What are you talking about? Have you watched the games?
You have a well written post but it is not about Shved, maybe it is from 2 years ago on limited minutes, but the
kid is playing very good defense, consistently breaking down defenses, dishing the ball well (with no really good shooters on the team nor star players), shooting ok - not great, showing brains out there, leading the team, rebounding.

It sounds to me like he isn't watching the games, but going off of an outdated scouting report. With that said, I wonder if he is drawing fouls the way he has because he learned a few things from playing with James Harden in Houston?

[Adelheid]

The Knicks definitely need guys like sexy Shved to show other players on the roster how to drive fearlessly and draw fouls. Pretty much was sorely missing from the onset of the season.

[camillepd]

He can come back for vet minimum otherwise good bye.