Are you folks tired of Melo?

[Greenie]

We won't get a high pick for him. We'll be lucky if we can get a late first. Most likely it will be a salary dump.

It's not gonna happen this year. But if we continue to be mediocre, he will ask out. It would take winning a title here for him to stay, and that is not happening with Fisher as coach. He asked out of Denver and he will ask out here. He won't be loud about it, but he will do it.

I bet he won't.

How much are you willing to bet?

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[moocow007]

A lot of the posters in the pro-Melo camp have defended him by saying that he's either has had the talent around him to succeed (or pass the ball to) or he's been hurt. Now he's healthy and now no one can say he doesn't have any talent around him. If he's as good as everybody around here says he is, then we should be somewhere around .500 at the end of the year and in the playoffs - assuming everyone remains reasonably healthy. To his credit, he has been doing a decent job of fitting into the system. He still does occasionally go into ISO mode which disrupts the flow of the offense when he's not hitting. But he seems to be getting his legs back, so hopefully he'll be more consistent on the offensive end.

Unfortunately, Phil gave him a full no-trade clause. So, I presume that the the ship would have to be sunk for him to request a trade.

What talent does he have around him? It's definitely a lot better than what he had last season. But then again, you, me and Clyde Styles probably also would qualify as being better than what he had last season.

I mean who is his no.2 option? Porzingis is the only other guy on the team that has shown he can score consistently and he's averaging 9 points a game. Afflalo MIGHT be a possible 2nd option of sorts but he's played only 1 game so far and hardly looked like a 2nd option the last 2 years. If they had managed Aldridge then sure, but Lopez, Afflalo and Derrick Williams aren't exactly world beaters when it comes to talent (and I'm a big fan of Lopez).

If anything, this (still the lack of a real 2nd option or talent that match what many of the other top players have) is THE reason to justify trading Anthony. His clock is ticking and there still isn't quite enough to surround him to be serious contenders.

Afflalo is no. 2 and we have a bunch of other competent pieces. No more excuses for Melo.

Afflalo was definitely playing like no.2 last season but he's not a no.2 for a title contender. Here's a look at the no.2 options for title contenders around the league and then you tell me that you are still serious afterwards:

Cavaliers - Lebron James has his choice of either Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love as the no.2 option.

Thunder - Kevin Durant has arguably the 2nd most productive player in the NBA right now in Russell Westbrook as his no.2. Heck, you can probably argue that Westbrook has Kevin Durant as his no.2 option right now.

Spurs - technically considering Leonard is going ham right now, the guy that some of you said is as good as Anthony (Lamarcus Aldridge) is his no.2 option. If you want to say Aldridge is the no.1 option (he's the highest paid Spur) then Kawhi Leonard is his no.2 option.

Rockets - James Harden has Dwight Howard as his no.2 man.

Clippers - Blake Griffin has Chris Paul as his no.2 man.

Wizards - if we assume that John Wall is the Wizards main man then he has Bradley Beal (who is currently averaging 22.7ppg and 49% shooting from the field and 47% from 3) as his no.2 man.

Hawks - Pick one guy on that team to be the no.1 option and the next 2 guys would be better no.2 options than Afflalo.

Warriors - the current leader in the MVP race, Steph Curry, has Klay Thompson as his no.2 option. Thompson may be the least talented no.2 man. Some of you have argued that Klay Thompson is the best SG in the NBA.

So...how good is Aaron Afflalo again?

If you guys want a good analogy for this...right here...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5948tl1AgU[/youtube]

The pimped out zombie killer car = the Westbrooks, Paul's, Aldridges of the world.
The "really sharp" stick = Aaron Afflalo.

"...and you got that [pointing to the zombie killer car]"
"...sure, but you got that"
"...it's a stick"
"...yeah, but it's a really sharp stick"

[Fat Kat]

Who would've guessed this would turn into a negative troll fest?

[moocow007]

Who would've guessed this would turn into a negative troll fest?

Yeah whoda thunk.

[god shammgod]

afflalo was supposed to be the backup 2 guard last year on a team nobody considered a contender

[moocow007]

afflalo was supposed to be the backup 2 guard last year on a team nobody considered a contender

And Afflalo's best 2 seasons were for a terrible Orlando team that averaged 21.5 wins in each of those seasons so there's not even proof that he can actually help a team win or know what it takes to win. I can understand folks like the guy (he's seems like a real great guy) but Afflalo is not a no.2 option for a title contender especially after an absolutely miserable season bouncing between Denver and Portland.

[god shammgod]

afflalo was supposed to be the backup 2 guard last year on a team nobody considered a contender

And Afflalo's best 2 seasons were for a terrible Orlando team that averaged 21.5 wins in each of those seasons so there's not even proof that he can actually help a team win or know what it takes to win. I can understand folks like the guy (he's seems like a real great guy) but Afflalo is not a no.2 option for a title contender.

i think we can safely say he's not a no.3 option

[nykfan42]

I'm tired of posters with agendas that criticize Melo's eyebrows and facial expressions claiming he's faking his smiles, saying he doesn't want to be here (that kind of died down), saying he doesn't want to pass, jealous of Kristaps, doesn't want to win etc. That's what I'm tired of. Team Melo right here. Prove em wrong.

[moocow007]

afflalo was supposed to be the backup 2 guard last year on a team nobody considered a contender

And Afflalo's best 2 seasons were for a terrible Orlando team that averaged 21.5 wins in each of those seasons so there's not even proof that he can actually help a team win or know what it takes to win. I can understand folks like the guy (he's seems like a real great guy) but Afflalo is not a no.2 option for a title contender.

i think we can safely say he's not a no.3 option

He might be a 3rd option for some championship caliber teams IF he plays better than he did last season. If he plays like last season then, no, he would not be the 3rd option on any of the current championship contending teams either.

[moocow007]

I'm tired of posters with agendas that criticize Melo's eyebrows and facial expressions claiming he's faking his smiles, saying he doesn't want to be here (that kind of died down), saying he doesn't want to pass, jealous of Kristaps, doesn't want to win etc. That's what I'm tired of. Team Melo right here. Prove em wrong.

It's one thing to argue intelligently that it may be wise for the Knicks to explore trades given Anthony's age and the current situation of the rest of the team. It's another to basically say that he's a piece of crap because he hasn't been able to do what Lebron James has been able to do (which is basically the backbone of most of these guys angst).

[nykfan42]

I'm tired of posters with agendas that criticize Melo's eyebrows and facial expressions claiming he's faking his smiles, saying he doesn't want to be here (that kind of died down), saying he doesn't want to pass, jealous of Kristaps, doesn't want to win etc. That's what I'm tired of. Team Melo right here. Prove em wrong.

It's one thing to argue intelligently that it may be wise for the Knicks to explore trades given Anthony's age and the current situation of the rest of the team. It's another to basically say that he's a piece of crap because he hasn't been able to do what Lebron James has been able to do (which is basically the backbone of most of these guys angst).

That's where I stand. He's not LeBron and never will be. That's how a lot of haters deep down feel I believe. It's foolish to think that way because LeBron is the best player on the planet. No one will be as good as him EVER. I just get annoyed that he is the scapegoat to some fans. He's a great scorer that has rarely had any good teammates around him throughout his career.

[Clyde_Style]

I'm tired of posters with agendas that criticize Melo's eyebrows and facial expressions claiming he's faking his smiles, saying he doesn't want to be here (that kind of died down), saying he doesn't want to pass, jealous of Kristaps, doesn't want to win etc. That's what I'm tired of. Team Melo right here. Prove em wrong.

It's one thing to argue intelligently that it may be wise for the Knicks to explore trades given Anthony's age and the current situation of the rest of the team. It's another to basically say that he's a piece of crap because he hasn't been able to do what Lebron James has been able to do (which is basically the backbone of most of these guys angst).

Sure and I see no one saying that stuff. It appears some want to whine about imaginary abuses and point fingers at people who are quite rational and respectful towards the board when they explore the options facing this franchise. One of those scenarios is trading Melo. Or not. But when people whine about discussions about it you have to wonder if they are just too damaged to recognize when legitimate conversations are being had.

[moocow007]

I'm tired of posters with agendas that criticize Melo's eyebrows and facial expressions claiming he's faking his smiles, saying he doesn't want to be here (that kind of died down), saying he doesn't want to pass, jealous of Kristaps, doesn't want to win etc. That's what I'm tired of. Team Melo right here. Prove em wrong.

It's one thing to argue intelligently that it may be wise for the Knicks to explore trades given Anthony's age and the current situation of the rest of the team. It's another to basically say that he's a piece of crap because he hasn't been able to do what Lebron James has been able to do (which is basically the backbone of most of these guys angst).

Sure and I see no one saying that stuff. It appears some want to whine about imaginary abuses and point fingers at people who are quite rational and respectful towards the board when they explore the options facing this franchise. One of those scenarios is trading Melo. Or not. But when people whine about discussions about it you have to wonder if they are just too damaged to recognize when legitimate conversations are being had.

Hey like I've said, I'd trade Anthony in a second if it made sense. I'm not married to him or anyone else on this team (I'd trade Porzingis in a second as well if the right deal came along). IF IT MAKES SENSE...absolutely. Sense is the most important thing. Sense also is apparently like gold or a good free porno site...rare and hard to find. As far as no one saying that they don't like Anthony because he's not Lebron? They don't need to say it, you can read it between the lines, in their tone and everything they do on this board. Of course they aren't going to openly say it, cause they know that folks will call them idiotic. They're apparently not THAT stupid.

[nykfan42]

I'm tired of posters with agendas that criticize Melo's eyebrows and facial expressions claiming he's faking his smiles, saying he doesn't want to be here (that kind of died down), saying he doesn't want to pass, jealous of Kristaps, doesn't want to win etc. That's what I'm tired of. Team Melo right here. Prove em wrong.

It's one thing to argue intelligently that it may be wise for the Knicks to explore trades given Anthony's age and the current situation of the rest of the team. It's another to basically say that he's a piece of crap because he hasn't been able to do what Lebron James has been able to do (which is basically the backbone of most of these guys angst).

Sure and I see no one saying that stuff. It appears some want to whine about imaginary abuses and point fingers at people who are quite rational and respectful towards the board when they explore the options facing this franchise. One of those scenarios is trading Melo. Or not. But when people whine about discussions about it you have to wonder if they are just too damaged to recognize when legitimate conversations are being had.

You're right it was said more during the off season but there are still people here that feel this way. Did you not see the suggesting he is pretending to smile? It was in the PG thread after the Knicks got robbed by the incompetent refs. It's stupid arguments like that that make me mad.

[nykfan42]

It's one thing to argue intelligently that it may be wise for the Knicks to explore trades given Anthony's age and the current situation of the rest of the team. It's another to basically say that he's a piece of crap because he hasn't been able to do what Lebron James has been able to do (which is basically the backbone of most of these guys angst).

Sure and I see no one saying that stuff. It appears some want to whine about imaginary abuses and point fingers at people who are quite rational and respectful towards the board when they explore the options facing this franchise. One of those scenarios is trading Melo. Or not. But when people whine about discussions about it you have to wonder if they are just too damaged to recognize when legitimate conversations are being had.

Hey like I've said, I'd trade Anthony in a second if it made sense. I'm not married to him or anyone else on this team (I'd trade Porzingis in a second as well if the right deal came along). IF IT MAKES SENSE...absolutely. Sense is the most important thing. Sense also is apparently like gold or a good free porno site...rare and hard to find.

I love Melo but I agree. I would trade him for the right trade. Not sure what that would be exactly but if it makes this team better for the future sure. The notion by the uninformed writers in the off season was that he'll force a trade because they seemed 100% sure we were gonna be a 25 win team.

[Clyde_Style]

It's one thing to argue intelligently that it may be wise for the Knicks to explore trades given Anthony's age and the current situation of the rest of the team. It's another to basically say that he's a piece of crap because he hasn't been able to do what Lebron James has been able to do (which is basically the backbone of most of these guys angst).

Sure and I see no one saying that stuff. It appears some want to whine about imaginary abuses and point fingers at people who are quite rational and respectful towards the board when they explore the options facing this franchise. One of those scenarios is trading Melo. Or not. But when people whine about discussions about it you have to wonder if they are just too damaged to recognize when legitimate conversations are being had.

You're right it was said more during the off season but there are still people here that feel this way. Did you not see the suggesting he is pretending to smile? It was in the PG thread after the Knicks got robbed by the incompetent refs. It's stupid arguments like that that make me mad.

Just forget about it man. It is worse to look for things to be angry about.

It shouldn't matter who likes Melo or not. If someone cannot figure out how he is good and under what circumstances he can be productive and they only see negatives, then they are probably a troll.

But there really are almost no posters here who think Melo is trash. Some don't like him. I don't like his style of play. So what? Getting angry about that is grade school stuff. So just forget about it man.

Love Melo. Hate Melo. The only thing that should matter is what hangs another championship banner from the rafters. If Melo can help us do that, then that is all that matters. The rest is just people chewing the fat. Let them.

[Vash]

Melo has a loser game. I think it may also come down to understanding of basketball and education. I would say more college grads and those with Master Degrees, and Grad Degrees, such as those at the WSJ and so on, see Melo as a bad player and a plague.

Add to the fact that DToni and Woodson were fired because of him, and he kept butting heads with George Karl. It adds fuel to what the educated may think. Many including myself, quit on the Knicks after the Gallanari trade. You traded young talent for a bad contract, a selfish player and a guy who plays no defense. The Knicks only seem to excel when Melo is on the bench as ball movement picks up.

Uneducated kids, teens, men and women, seem to focus more on hype and scoring, as it is the easiest thing for kids to assess as that is all sportscenter and espn shows. So that is the first thing many of us fall in love with.

I am big on what people say. Melo constantly talks about offense and never defense. He never points the figure to himself as failing his team defensively and in the clutch. Spurs have guys with a team mentality while the Knicks do not. Ducan, Parker, Ginoboli, Leonard....All willing to move and share the ball and play D. Maybe it is just Melos DNA to be selfish all the time. Some guys are natural sharers, some are naturally not.

I would say most are tired of Melo in NY, especially those are more educated. Just my opinion.

[god shammgod]

let me sum up. dumb people like melo.

[god shammgod]

also, smart people see him as a plague. in fact, the name off my graduate thesis was "melo - worse than sars ?"

[Clyde_Style]

also, smart people see him as a plague. in fact, the name off my graduate thesis was "melo - worse than sars ?"

I thought it was "Melo-noma"