PG Thread: Oof

[Rotten Apple]

What do you think about moving Lee to the bench and inserting Justin Holiday into the starting lineup?

Bad idea, we need to give this unit time to gel but Lee is better than Holiday and a better fit with the starting unit.

Holiday should play over Lance however.

I actually think Lee would be better in the back court with Jennings. Its because he is a better player that I would move him to the bench because the bench lacks some scoring output and veteran leadership in the back court. He would take a lot of pressure off of Jennings. Holiday looked great with the starters last night.

Holiday did but I hate saying this but it was just one game. Lee even with the donut he put up provided good spacing and defense. I just need more time to evaluate what works best. It's so hard to determine that after this game.

[Sark]

To all the people that is saying KP has arrived...you need to check your tracking numbers again. It still says in transit, with no confirmed date of delivery.

Delivery date is "when Melo waives his NTC", which is a lot sooner than most realize.

I doubt it. He has an ETO after next season if I am not mistaken. If anything he will just opt out and try for his last deal after the 17-18 season. By then KP will be entering his early prime.

He has a trade kicker in his contract. If things go south, I think Lala will want that extra $9m or whatever it is, than to stay on another losing team in NY.

[will34]

Isiah is waiting in the wings folks.

[Rotten Apple]

Isiah is waiting in the wings folks.

[HEZI]

Bad idea, we need to give this unit time to gel but Lee is better than Holiday and a better fit with the starting unit.

Holiday should play over Lance however.

I actually think Lee would be better in the back court with Jennings. Its because he is a better player that I would move him to the bench because the bench lacks some scoring output and veteran leadership in the back court. He would take a lot of pressure off of Jennings. Holiday looked great with the starters last night.

Holiday did but I hate saying this but it was just one game. Lee even with the donut he put up provided good spacing and defense. I just need more time to evaluate what works best. It's so hard to determine that after this game.

I think you are looking at it wrong. It's not about what Lee did wrong and it's not about demoting him, it would be about promoting him. We both agree that Rose and Melo should be the focal points of the offense, which means Lee really will just be used to space the floor, knock down shots, make cuts to the basket and such. I'm saying we actually give him a bigger role and allow him to help carry the bench unit. If he comes off the bench, he will have the ball in his hands a lot more and provide more scoring. Right now our go to guys are Jennings and Lance Thomas, that's not good. We need more help off the bench, Lee could provide that.

[Rotten Apple]

Remember that scissors cut play with Melo/Felton/Tyson

Imagine Melo/Rose/KP running that

R.I.P. Defenses

Where's Woody???

[KnickSon75]

Knicks blown out @ defending champion Cavs on ring night = worst team in NY and a joke.

Warriors blown out @ home after getting Kevin Durant = they just need time to gel.

I hate the media with a passion.

Warriors are actually good though...

Yea I think also if you win 73 games, you get a little slack. At least more than when you win 32.

I would think just the opposite, if you win 73 games and then add ooh I dont know arguably the second best player in the NBA, opening night on your home floor and coming off a brutal meltdown loss in the NBA Finals ...you are coming to win!! you coming to show off your shiny new toy and make a statement lol they changed out like 3 pieces and still have there nucleus and offensive/defensive schemes haha no one should cut them any slack.

we had a 10 man roster re-haul and new coach...played the champs on there home court after they raised there banners, got rings... With the best player on the planet and the pressure of winning, with the World Series taking place right across the street?, the atmosphere? you kidding me Lebron was not going to lose that game yesterday up by 3 at the half probably pissed him off the most , he and Kyrie went into overdrive.... must have been some halftime speech.



Playing the champs is the litmus test of winning it all and hell no we are not there, but suck? not a playoff team? maaaan people cray

If we opened the season against Milwaukee, Orlando, Nets, Detroit or the Heat and got blown out like that in the second half it would be an entirely different conversation and I would certainly agree wow this might not work lol

I will agree though we got some glaring issues that many touched upon in this thread that need to be addressed if we want to be taken seriously as a top 5 team in the East. I'll reserve judgment til we start playing teams that most consider "our level" and not the defending champs.

[Capn'O]

Read on Twitter

His condition and ability to get to the rack was good but everything else was no bueno from him.

The easiest part of his game is putting his head down and getting to the rim.

I'm not at all surprised that the rest of his game was rusty. He relied on the things he knew he could do because the rest of his game is so far behind right now.

I suspect his turnovers will be way down and his decision making will improve once he gets back into game shape and figures out his spots on the floor.

Anybody judging this game too harshly needs to settle down and realize how new this all is.

I'm perfectly calm, dude. What I said applied to this game.

[Rotten Apple]

I actually think Lee would be better in the back court with Jennings. Its because he is a better player that I would move him to the bench because the bench lacks some scoring output and veteran leadership in the back court. He would take a lot of pressure off of Jennings. Holiday looked great with the starters last night.

Holiday did but I hate saying this but it was just one game. Lee even with the donut he put up provided good spacing and defense. I just need more time to evaluate what works best. It's so hard to determine that after this game.

I think you are looking at it wrong. It's not about what Lee did wrong and it's not about demoting him, it would be about promoting him. We both agree that Rose and Melo should be the focal points of the offense, which means Lee really will just be used to space the floor, knock down shots, make cuts to the basket and such. I'm saying we actually give him a bigger role and allow him to help carry the bench unit. If he comes off the bench, he will have the ball in his hands a lot more and provide more scoring. Right now our go to guys are Jennings and Lance Thomas, that's not good. We need more help off the bench, Lee could provide that.

I understand what you mean, expanding his role by giving him more time with the 2nd unit but we could just sub him out with KP early in the 1st and the bring them back to start the 2nd and let them run with BJ/Willy/Cheesus

That's what I would do

[thebuzzardman]

Ah, love the NYPost. Officially taking the shine off the KP apple

http://nypost.com/2016/10/26/breaking-down-kristaps-porzingis-opening-night-dud/


I guess he didn't drop 30 wearing his new shoes, so he sucks. According to Marc Berman.

[KnicksFTW]

The offense will come, that's least of my concern tbh. We have too much talent for that not too.

What worries me is our perimeter defense, we look completely lost out there, with guys getting confused on screens and to many guys that are legit threats wide open.

We honestly could've been down 40 at a point if Cavs hit their open shots lol

[god shammgod]

sure, it's game 1. but you saw the exact same defensive problems from the preseason. the idea that it's gonna change anytime soon doesn't seem likely.

[HEZI]

Holiday did but I hate saying this but it was just one game. Lee even with the donut he put up provided good spacing and defense. I just need more time to evaluate what works best. It's so hard to determine that after this game.

I think you are looking at it wrong. It's not about what Lee did wrong and it's not about demoting him, it would be about promoting him. We both agree that Rose and Melo should be the focal points of the offense, which means Lee really will just be used to space the floor, knock down shots, make cuts to the basket and such. I'm saying we actually give him a bigger role and allow him to help carry the bench unit. If he comes off the bench, he will have the ball in his hands a lot more and provide more scoring. Right now our go to guys are Jennings and Lance Thomas, that's not good. We need more help off the bench, Lee could provide that.

I understand what you mean, expanding his role by giving him more time with the 2nd unit but we could just sub him out with KP early in the 1st and the bring them back to start the 2nd and let them run with BJ/Willy/Cheesus

That's what I would do

Yeah but then that would cut into Holiday's minutes a lot. I really think Holiday needs to be on the floor for at least 22-25 minutes, he is very effective.

[IllmaticHandler]

I would rather a loss to the Cavs than a Gassed up win by the Knicks over them. Knicks got work to do, and one thing I noticed with NY teams lately, they love large cups of gas. They read the nice beautiful headlines, and think they hot schit. Im glad we got schitted on. No room to gloat. Only room for focus, improvement etc.

[Damas]

The board usually goes off of emotions rather than pure sense. Even TnT besides kenny was off the bandwagon after 1 game.

New teams need time to mesh. Someone who I believe will be Melo will simply have to sacrifice ISO shots for the better of the team.

Hate to compare us to championship teams but. Celtics with (KG, PP, RA,RR) The heat big 3 first year, Cavs big 3 first year, All those teams had growing pains and had to decide how they were going to sacrifice numbers for wins.

Everyone seems to want to play as a team and hopefully soon it will work. The talent is there.

Comparing us Champions. Last year this team won 32 wins and played the Cavs 4 times with a loss differential of 38...we lose by 29 on opening night. Considering how putrid we were last year, what exactly is to be hopeful for? Last year the Cavs beat us and they won the chip but we played them a lot better than the crap I seen last night.

Face it, the problem with this board is we always have loftey expectations and then burn when we get destroyed. Best to be realistic about this team and don't get your hopes up. I predicted this team to win 39 wins and so far I am on my way.

Do you really think one game is a large enough sample size to immediately say "what exactly is to be hopeful for?" I am not saying by any means that we will be great, or even good, but given what we were up against last night, I don't think you can judge this ONE game as the reason why we are doomed. Would your thoughts change if we come out and get a solid win on Saturday? I would argue they shouldn't even if we play well. It's WAY too early to make any sort of prognostications about the entire season. You can't get all riled up over one very bad half of basketball.

Look at the prediction for our record thread, people were claiming this was a solid team that was going to the second round.

Not only did we lose but we got humiliated with Lebron telling his daughter it was light work. Where was the excitement and hope for this team? Where was the claim we were finally going in the right direction?

This is 2014 Fisher all over again. Have a coach we are happy with, doesn't know how to implement the triangle but instead combined different philosophies into one and lose the first game badly.

I am sick of being excited and sick of seeing a trash product. Being a pessimist is the only way to go now at this point, done routing for this team to do nothing but lay an egg.

[stuporman]

Seriously, from 2-15 I take the Knicks roster over the Cavs but at the top, LeBron/Irving >> Melo/Rose by so much it's not even close.

With LeBron and Irving on the rest of the Knicks roster that is a finals team but with Melo and Rose on the rest of the current Cavs and that team struggles to even be in the playoff race.

Melo and Rose together is not going to fit, it's like Melo and Amar'e all over again with two "stars" that don't really compliment each other.

Melo, Rose and Jennings will have the ball in their hands most of the time and all three are too inefficient for the Knicks to be consistent.

[shtolky]

Comparing us Champions. Last year this team won 32 wins and played the Cavs 4 times with a loss differential of 38...we lose by 29 on opening night. Considering how putrid we were last year, what exactly is to be hopeful for? Last year the Cavs beat us and they won the chip but we played them a lot better than the crap I seen last night.

Face it, the problem with this board is we always have loftey expectations and then burn when we get destroyed. Best to be realistic about this team and don't get your hopes up. I predicted this team to win 39 wins and so far I am on my way.

Do you really think one game is a large enough sample size to immediately say "what exactly is to be hopeful for?" I am not saying by any means that we will be great, or even good, but given what we were up against last night, I don't think you can judge this ONE game as the reason why we are doomed. Would your thoughts change if we come out and get a solid win on Saturday? I would argue they shouldn't even if we play well. It's WAY too early to make any sort of prognostications about the entire season. You can't get all riled up over one very bad half of basketball.

Look at the prediction for our record thread, people were claiming this was a solid team that was going to the second round.

Not only did we lose but we got humiliated with Lebron telling his daughter it was light work. Where was the excitement and hope for this team? Where was the claim we were finally going in the right direction?

This is 2014 Fisher all over again. Have a coach we are happy with, doesn't know how to implement the triangle but instead combined different philosophies into one and lose the first game badly.

I am sick of being excited and sick of seeing a trash product. Being a pessimist is the only way to go now at this point, done routing for this team to do nothing but lay an egg.

Again, I understand you're frustrated with last night's dud (really, one half), but one game doesn't mean predictions go out the window, and it doesn't mean the season is doomed. Who cares what Lebron said. Your remarks about 2014 Fisher all over again, have a coach we are happy with, means nothing after one game. It's like overreacting in the other direction when we beat the Cavs during Lebron's return to Cleveland, only to win 17 games that season. Same principle applies. Just wait a bit longer before you proclaim the season is over. I do get your frustration however, but just wait until we aren't playing the defending champs on their home floor who just beat the 73 win Warriors in the finals.

I know it was only pre-season, but we were absolutely putrid in that first game, yet things got better the rest of the way.

[sasso]

It was highly unlikely that we would beat the Cavs, but playing them in game 1 is actually a great thing because the slap in the face they just took will let them know what they need to do to win. When they look at the tape, they will see the bad habits, lack of communication, chemistry, and team D. It will be a great learning experience that can hopefully up their game. There was a lot of bad stuff last night, but I think that this team can make it to the 4th or 5th seed if they get the chemistry and team D right.

[IllmaticHandler]

It was highly unlikely that we would beat the Cavs, but playing them in game 1 is actually a great thing because the slap in the face they just took will let them know what they need to do to win. When they look at the tape, they will see the bad habits, lack of communication, chemistry, and team D. It will be a great learning experience that can hopefully up their game. There was a lot of bad stuff last night, but I think that this team can make it to the 4th or 5th seed if they get the chemistry and team D right.

+1

[KnickSon75]

I am sick of being excited and sick of seeing a trash product. Being a pessimist is the only way to go now at this point, done routing for this team to do nothing but lay an egg.

Seriously though lol then why do it? its like the guy who knows his girl messing around but sticks around I mean at least he hitting it or that guy who goes to that BS job everyday he hates when he could be happier somewhere else, at least he getting paid.
What do you get out of being angry every season about this team that will never change? You know theres 29 other teams right. I mean even if you like the punishment lol you could, I don't know just check in from time to time to see if they finally meet your standards or made the changes you'd like to see.

I know people get upset or want to see change but that's not what your talking about, your saying your "done routing for this team" after game 1 of a new season which is funny in itself. I mean lets keep it real we know why allot of people post what they post, its fun to get a "reaction" but when I read people quitting on the team, "done" with them but then keep crying post after post that ish is funny.