Multiple NBA teams refusing to stay at Donald Trump's hotels while on road trips

[moocow007]

There seems to be a lot of racism talk in this thread. Can somebody tell me if this counts as racism? Because im not sure.

https://www.facebook.com/drWilda/posts/1060180390733690

What part? Hillary possibly being tagged as a racist or at least a KKK supporter? Or the page itself? There are plenty of people that aren't specifically bent on white supremacy (to the degree that KKK members are) that have associations with those that do. For politicians especially, it's not unusual to expect that they have dealt with KKK members just as they have dealt with leaders in other extreme sectors of the population. I mean I would expect the politician I vote into office to actually have dealt with all sorts of people. Wouldn't you? I mean just think about it. What is the good of a politician if he is so rigid and sheltered that he/she has no relationships with anyone? The reality is that people deal with people that they know and not with people that they don't know. So if my intent was to improve racial relations, KNOWING the people on both sides of the equation would be A LOT better than not knowing either or strictly favoring one over the other. I think folks may not have a good picture of what politicians really are supposed to do and the tools that they need to be able to do it. There's a saying that lawyers are destined to go to hell and that the politicians will lead the way. The goal of a politician is to politic, not to be some one dimensional, one sided, immovable, untenable radical or extremist themselves. Just because Clinton is hugging and kissing a guy that is associated with the KKK doesn't mean she's a KKK member herself nor that she supports their beliefs. Now it doesn't mean that she doesn't, but you simply cannot imply a politician is one thing or another simply by a picture or a specific action. Heck, one of my closest college friends (who is a local congressman btw) has his family roots embedded in the clan (we're talking openly racist talk and hoods in the mantle). Doesn't mean that I'm one or support them or wouldn't mind if the bulk of them get blown off the face of the earth.

all valid points. but note that this man is the opposite of klan. former, disavowed klan is something to be uplifted.

Sure, but based on that one page, he's made out to sound like the devil himself and that Clinton is a pawn of the devil. That's really the point, people read into things way too quickly and easily. It shouldn't even matter who this person is, people will see KKK and Hillary kissing and assume that she's a racist to the max. She could have kissed Abu-Bakr Al Bagdadi and that doesn't mean she's sympathetic to radical terrorists and hates jews.

[Knicks_Fan2]

^^^Yep...but hey...let's punish Trump by not staying in his hotels...that'll teach him.

Why are you assuming they did nothing pre-election and I refuse to begrudge someone for standing up to something post-election that they didn't pre-election. As a muslim, someone feeling fairly vulnerable to potential policy changes, I can tell you I am happy that folks that may not have stood up before are doing so now because something IS better than nothing. Even if nothing will change, the stand itself does matter and makes those in power aware that the people in this country do not support bigotry.

[NYKAL]

its their right not to spend someone who's political philosophy is one they disagree with. I'd be shocked if the vast majority of posters here didn't do the same thing in some form or fashion. Pretty much a non story. Would it be an issue say if Sterling had Hotels and the teams refused to stay there. No. People don't like spending their money to enrich folk they dislike.

True. My question becomes why now? Trump has been a known racist for years.
It comes off fake.

I don't support things I find offensive. Certain fashion lines can't make a penny off of me. I also have made it a point to not stay in any Trump hotel or party in one of his casinos. I made sure to take my ass to a HBCU too. Let's stop half assing outrage.

Why now? Because (imo) Trump used to be views as just another rich guy. His many bankruptcies , hosting beauty pageants and the apprentice, he was more like background scenery than anything else. Most people didn't even know his views or saw him as racist or not. I know that's how I felt about him. Just another rich dude using a system rigged to their benefit.

Now that he's stood on what is possibly the countries greatest stage and insulted, disrespected and just overall behaved badly. For me its more of a case of him GALVANIZING the nut jobs and even inciting violence telling people in his crowd if you see this senator, punch him in the face (or things to that effect.) He allowed (by his inaction) people at his rallies to assault (without penalty) anyone with an opposing view.

Those things weren't happening at the Democratic rallies. At least not to my knowledge.

[NYKAL]

its their right not to spend someone who's political philosophy is one they disagree with. I'd be shocked if the vast majority of posters here didn't do the same thing in some form or fashion. Pretty much a non story. Would it be an issue say if Sterling had Hotels and the teams refused to stay there. No. People don't like spending their money to enrich folk they dislike.

...aaaaaand, thread.

they didn't teach gibberish at my school.

[moocow007]

^^^Yep...but hey...let's punish Trump by not staying in his hotels...that'll teach him.

Why are you assuming they did nothing pre-election and I refuse to begrudge someone for standing up to something post-election that they didn't pre-election. As a muslim, someone feeling fairly vulnerable to potential policy changes, I can tell you I am happy that folks that may not have stood up before are doing so now because something IS better than nothing. Even if nothing will change, the stand itself does matter and makes those in power aware that the people in this country do not support bigotry.

Because it would have stood out, at least as much as this Trump hotel boycott?

As far as those that had not stepped up before but are now? Yeah that's great and all, but the point is to do it before hand isn't it? What's doing it now going to do? It's too late. This is like really wanting and believing in something but showing up late for it. Tells me that maybe you really didn't want or believe in it that badly.

If folks really didn't support bigotry then making sure a bigot isn't voted into office would have been the smart approach, no?

Yes, something is better than nothing, but still....

[KnicksGod]

He's going to be the president so he has my support. There's also some good reason to believe that Trump wants to spend money and roll out a line of "great" works and wonderful services bearing his name and his administration's stamp.

I kind of doubt he'll be on board with fiscal austerity, so a GOP showdown could happen.

On the other hand, he and the situation are extremely unpredictable.

[moocow007]

He's going to be the president so he has my support. There's also some good reason to believe that Trump wants to spend money and roll out a line of "great" works and wonderful services bearing his name and his administration's stamp.

I kind of doubt he'll be on board with fiscal austerity, so a GOP showdown could happen.

On the other hand, he and the situation are extremely unpredictable.

Oh I think folks are getting carried away with what Trump will and will not do. Republican controlled house and senate? Most of those guys can't stand Trump's guts. They aren't going to help him do anything (like exile all minorities, blow up all the muslims, alienate all the Jews or whatever craziness that folks are thinking he's going to do) even if you actually believe that Trump is serious about all the rhetoric he was spewing to try to win the states that he knew he would need to win in order to win the election. It's not hard to argue that Hillary Clinton would have offered at least as dangerous a president as Trump with what she's been rumored to have done as Secretary of State. Succeeding from the union? Migrating to Canada? Come on. How about put all that effort and energy spent worrying and complaining into something actually positive and be nice to your fellow man, hug your wife and kids, do the right thing day in and day out? That's ultimately how to make America great. Everyone can bitch and moan and complain...that's easy. Doing the right thing...that's hard.

[Knicks_Fan2]

^^^Yep...but hey...let's punish Trump by not staying in his hotels...that'll teach him.

Why are you assuming they did nothing pre-election and I refuse to begrudge someone for standing up to something post-election that they didn't pre-election. As a muslim, someone feeling fairly vulnerable to potential policy changes, I can tell you I am happy that folks that may not have stood up before are doing so now because something IS better than nothing. Even if nothing will change, the stand itself does matter and makes those in power aware that the people in this country do not support bigotry.

Because it would have stood out, at least as much as this Trump hotel boycott?

As far as those that had not stepped up before but are now? Yeah that's great and all, but the point is to do it before hand isn't it? What's doing it now going to do? It's too late. This is like really wanting and believing in something but showing up late for it. Tells me that maybe you really didn't want or believe in it that badly.

If folks really didn't support bigotry then making sure a bigot isn't voted into office would have been the smart approach, no?

Yes, something is better than nothing, but still....

Sure, perhaps there was some apathy but, again you're judging based on something you do not know. It is clear LeBron campaigned against Trump publicly and who really knows what others were doing in their respective communities.

[moocow007]

Why are you assuming they did nothing pre-election and I refuse to begrudge someone for standing up to something post-election that they didn't pre-election. As a muslim, someone feeling fairly vulnerable to potential policy changes, I can tell you I am happy that folks that may not have stood up before are doing so now because something IS better than nothing. Even if nothing will change, the stand itself does matter and makes those in power aware that the people in this country do not support bigotry.

Because it would have stood out, at least as much as this Trump hotel boycott?

As far as those that had not stepped up before but are now? Yeah that's great and all, but the point is to do it before hand isn't it? What's doing it now going to do? It's too late. This is like really wanting and believing in something but showing up late for it. Tells me that maybe you really didn't want or believe in it that badly.

If folks really didn't support bigotry then making sure a bigot isn't voted into office would have been the smart approach, no?

Yes, something is better than nothing, but still....

Sure, perhaps there was some apathy but, again you're judging based on something you do not know. It is clear LeBron campaigned against Trump publicly and who really knows what others were doing in their respective communities.

All I can tell you is that If I was Lebron and really seriously concerned about what would happen if Trump was elected, I'll take a few million out of my own pockets (and raise many millions more), talk to any of the plethora of advertising agencies that already work with/for me and ask them to come out with a marketing campaign to get all of the people that I knew would listen to me, that would be at risk in a Trump regime and make sure they come out and vote for Clinton. Very simple, candid but public campaign using multiple media channels (how many people follows him?) using my clout as one of the biggest and most recognizable names in the world to make sure that Trump doesn't happen. I mean advertising and media shouldn't be foreign things for any of these guys. I didn't see much of anything before the election, did you?

This is what I'm talking about. If you are really, truly, serious about something you got to work hard and stand up for it full tilt. Not wait for it to happen and then complain or make some cursory gesture of disapproval. That don't mean **** at the end of the day. But that's just me.

[Knick4Real]

Lol! If these morons think the next President of the United States gives a fig about a bunch of faux outraged "LeBron's" staying in some hotels or not, they've got another thing coming. Just like no one cared if Kapernick took a knee into obscurity, nobody will care about these manufactured rich athlete outrages.

At the end of the day...yeah...pretty much. Protests like these aren't real protests that will make a real impact. This is just to make those that are doing it feel better about themselves.

PS...to everyone else...No this doesn't mean I support Trump one bit. Trump has nothing to do here. What the teams are doing is, as BB stated immaterial and insignificant to Trump. It's like a Chihuahua barking at a Lion. Yeah...ok...you're barking...and? Go find another lion to bark with you and then we'll be impressed.

I respectfully have to disagree with this opinion.

If the Klan opened the KKK HOTEL and people refused to stay there, I think that would not only be noble, but within their right not to give their money to the KKK. The Klan might not care if they stay there or not, but it would be the correct thing to do based on principle.

Well, that's exactly what these NBA players are doing. Trump may or may not care if they spend their money at his hotel and it may not make some huge impact, but these players are fully correct to stand on principle.

[KnicksGod]

He's going to be the president so he has my support. There's also some good reason to believe that Trump wants to spend money and roll out a line of "great" works and wonderful services bearing his name and his administration's stamp.

I kind of doubt he'll be on board with fiscal austerity, so a GOP showdown could happen.

On the other hand, he and the situation are extremely unpredictable.

Oh I think folks are getting carried away with what Trump will and will not do. Republican controlled house and senate? Most of those guys can't stand Trump's guts. They aren't going to help him do anything (like exile all minorities, blow up all the muslims, alienate all the Jews or whatever craziness that folks are thinking he's going to do) even if you actually believe that Trump is serious about all the rhetoric he was spewing to try to win the states that he knew he would need to win in order to win the election. It's not hard to argue that Hillary Clinton would have offered at least as dangerous a president as Trump with what she's been rumored to have done as Secretary of State. Succeeding from the union? Migrating to Canada? Come on. How about put all that effort and energy spent worrying and complaining into something actually positive and be nice to your fellow man, hug your wife and kids, do the right thing day in and day out? That's ultimately how to make America great. Everyone can bitch and moan and complain...that's easy. Doing the right thing...that's hard.

Mostly agree, though I'll leave Hillary out of it, except to say that she was the wrong person for the wrong time, and ran too cautious a campaign.

I agree that fears of him being malevolent are overblown. Anybody this obsessed with himself or his public approval probably isn't outwardly focused or specifically agenda-driven enough to do harm ... not even considering the checks and balances in place.

He is for sure too inexperienced and probably too disorganized to be really good at this job, but he clearly has some instincts for politics.

I think his instincts are pretty activist, if not leftist. The instincts he showed on the campaign were for political battle and cobbling together a coalition out of those who were tired of O and H, distrustful of H, sick of H, sick of the new modern world of free trade and automation, and just generally tired of D.C. (probably the biggest piece of the coalition).

So he was smart/ruthless/standards-less in those instincts, though he still lost the popular vote by a significant small number, but I don't think the positions he stated are really that important to him, if he even believes some of them at all.

As Obama said, he's not an ideologue, and to the extent he has ideas or instincts for policy, they are probably not close to Ryan's.

We'll see some crazy stuff. A lot of made-for-TV stunts using Air Force One; warning shots fired across the bows of Iranian ships; and so forth. But maybe nothing TOO overtly dangerous.

I don't think he'll follow through on any deprivation of liberties or use of the powers of the presidency to exact revenge. The people around him, yes even Bannon who is bright, will tell him that this will result in a fast track to impeachment and removal.

In fact, I would say that those of us on the left who supported H should be MOST concerned about Trump refusing to rubber stamp the Ryan Plan -- because I truly do think he wants to build airports, and give people tremendous new healthcare plans, and other superlatives that require money -- and if he steps out of line or makes an incompetent but grievous mistake, the GOP in Congress could sense opportunity to install Pence as president and get their full agenda passed.

That is a real risk. Also a real risk to the Congress, but not if T really does something stupid, even by mistake.

So who knows, I've been wrong about all of this profoundly, but while I dislike him personally and the campaign he ran, I am rooting for Trump to remake the Republicans, or at least stand in the way of their hard-right obsession with privatization (which by the way makes no sense and is as crazy as anything Trump may believe in).

[CharlesOakley]

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Anyway , when obama became president there wasn't this big protest even though he said the same "misogynistic" words as trump did and nobody in the media batted an eye. As I said before , both republicans and democrats are immoral people . Trump is not a perfect candidate but at least he isn't bought and paid by socialists. Ron Paul would have been the perfect candidate for president .

I would love to see evidence of Obama's misogyny.

Watch on YouTube

Wow - learn to think, please. He is literally doing a voice as he reads dialog from a book. http://www.snopes.com/obama-demands-rib/

[CharlesOakley]

I'm saying that by charging Phil with racism, he's showing more racial bias than Phil ever has.

I don't think either are racist.

For the record, I don't think Trump is a true racist either. I just think he is an ignorant person who doesn't mind hanging out with racists if it gets him closer to his goal. I'm not sure that is better though.

it isn't. that is racism. you may not think donald trump has prejudices against people of color. but racism includes the use of power and leveraging of advantage on the basis of race. so, empowering himself through racists at the expense of oppressed peoples... yes. racist.

Same thing could be said with Lebron and other athletes . They support black lives matter which is a radical group that doesn't help race relations at all. It is a proven fact that the group only cares about one race and nobody else. If that isn't racism , I don't know what is.

Read a book. BLM isn't radical, they want racial equality. Just because it makes you uncomfortable doesn't mean it isn't doing anything. It is a proven fact that people that start sentences with "it is a proven fact" are going to follow that with some made up personal belief. It is not racism and I'm pretty sure you don't know what that word means.

[nykballa2k4]

We still whining about how racist the guy half of America, which includes more Latinos than expected, more women than expected, more blacks than expected and more college educated than expected, voted in as leader of the free world? Let it go.

No.

Suit yourself. I'll watch as half the country needlessly throws a temper tantrum - I'm looking at you Mark Cuban .

You know Hitler was pretty popular in Germany too, think all those who disagreed with the Nazi's should have just piped down?

[CharlesOakley]

I understand. So if there was a foto/video of Trump making out with him instead of Hillary, the media would not have used it as "Look Trump is a racist!"? Is that what you are saying? Also Trumps pussy grabbing comments where several years ago if i remember correctly? Are those comments worse than licking a racist on camera?

Trump making a man who expresses white nationalistic and anti-Semitic views a WH advisor, and considering another man who was deemed too racist to be a judge as an Attorney General is definitely worse than kissing a man who was in the KKK for a year before he became a senator and a "champion for civil rights"

Dude im not arguing that Trump is a saint in any way. All i want is for all of you to admit that Hillary is at least as evil as well.

Then come up with a valid argument. Hillary embraced a man as a mentor who was the epitome of change; very racist beginnings and then a force of good for the majority of his public life. If Trump had become a champion for women's rights after his recorded pussy grabbing conversation then you would have a viable analogy.

[KnicksGod]

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I would love to see evidence of Obama's misogyny.

Watch on YouTube

Wow - learn to think, please. He is literally doing a voice as he reads dialog from a book. http://www.snopes.com/obama-demands-rib/

What a ridiculous thing to post. Though it was rare so I got a kick out of it. He's reading a book lol.

[CharlesOakley]

True. My question becomes why now? Trump has been a known racist for years.
It comes off fake.

I don't support things I find offensive. Certain fashion lines can't make a penny off of me. I also have made it a point to not stay in any Trump hotel or party in one of his casinos. I made sure to take my ass to a HBCU too. Let's stop half assing outrage.

Greenie, I grew up in NYC so I knew Trump was a racist. A lot of New Yorkers do, but I expect that is wasn't common knowledge. I know nothing about Hilton, Hyatt, Wyndham or any of the other hotel families.

[BBALLER4FR]

No.

Suit yourself. I'll watch as half the country needlessly throws a temper tantrum - I'm looking at you Mark Cuban .

You know Hitler was pretty popular in Germany too, think all those who disagreed with the Nazi's should have just piped down?

[HighRyzer83]

Im done with realGM. This politics **** soured the board

[PeoplesChamp]

"I don't know if he'll be a good president, but, he sure makes a swell hotel suite" - Dave Chappelle