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Grimes is truly overated and is not our best defender

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Re: Grimes is truly overated and is not our best defender 

Post#241 » by ScienceOfLosing » Sat Dec 9, 2023 4:32 pm

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robillionaire wrote:I didn’t watch but it looks like he came off the bench and took 10 attempts and had a decent game. Maybe that was the ticket to get him playing better

The reverse happened to DDV. Took 6 shots (Grimes's season average).

Grimes has played poorly to start the season and there's no getting around that but there just aren't enough shots in the starting lineup with Brunson-Randle-RJ averaging 52.2 and 51.6 FGAs per game combined the past 2 seasons. They want their shots.


And Brunson aside, both RJ and Randle aren't worthy of the amount of shots they get. Both should be limited to 12-13 shots. They really do not deserve more until they prove they can be consistant.

Essentially all our big three does not really defend. On top 2 out of the 3 aren't even really effective on offense. Thus it really is absolutely no surprise that this is a mid team.

Take the Nets: They really have one great two way player in Bridges and a scorer in Cam along with solid role players and they have the same record as us. Going into the season with no true SF and no backup PF is actually malpractice and should be sanctioned. Of course having the worst owner in sports history, you know nothing will happen....


Correct, RJ (post headache version) and Randle should get fewer shots, but that ain’t ISO ball and that is what Thibs likes.
There in lies the problem.

If they get fewer shots then Thibs needs to actually start calling plays.
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Re: Grimes is truly overated and is not our best defender 

Post#242 » by robillionaire » Sat Dec 9, 2023 6:44 pm

ScienceOfLosing wrote:
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Chanel Bomber wrote:The reverse happened to DDV. Took 6 shots (Grimes's season average).

Grimes has played poorly to start the season and there's no getting around that but there just aren't enough shots in the starting lineup with Brunson-Randle-RJ averaging 52.2 and 51.6 FGAs per game combined the past 2 seasons. They want their shots.


And Brunson aside, both RJ and Randle aren't worthy of the amount of shots they get. Both should be limited to 12-13 shots. They really do not deserve more until they prove they can be consistant.

Essentially all our big three does not really defend. On top 2 out of the 3 aren't even really effective on offense. Thus it really is absolutely no surprise that this is a mid team.

Take the Nets: They really have one great two way player in Bridges and a scorer in Cam along with solid role players and they have the same record as us. Going into the season with no true SF and no backup PF is actually malpractice and should be sanctioned. Of course having the worst owner in sports history, you know nothing will happen....


Correct, RJ (post headache version) and Randle should get fewer shots, but that ain’t ISO ball and that is what Thibs likes.
There in lies the problem.

If they get fewer shots then Thibs needs to actually start calling plays.


We scored 123 points so I’d question if the offense was an issue in the game which again I did not watch
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Re: Grimes is truly overated and is not our best defender 

Post#243 » by Chanel Bomber » Sat Dec 9, 2023 6:47 pm

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And Brunson aside, both RJ and Randle aren't worthy of the amount of shots they get. Both should be limited to 12-13 shots. They really do not deserve more until they prove they can be consistant.

Essentially all our big three does not really defend. On top 2 out of the 3 aren't even really effective on offense. Thus it really is absolutely no surprise that this is a mid team.

Take the Nets: They really have one great two way player in Bridges and a scorer in Cam along with solid role players and they have the same record as us. Going into the season with no true SF and no backup PF is actually malpractice and should be sanctioned. Of course having the worst owner in sports history, you know nothing will happen....


Correct, RJ (post headache version) and Randle should get fewer shots, but that ain’t ISO ball and that is what Thibs likes.
There in lies the problem.

If they get fewer shots then Thibs needs to actually start calling plays.


We scored 123 points so I’d question if the offense was an issue in the game which again I did not watch

Our offensive rating in that game would rank #1 in the league (although it didn't exactly give off that impression). Our defensive rating would rank #30.

Our problems came on defense.
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Re: Grimes is truly overated and is not our best defender 

Post#244 » by HopelessKnick » Sat Dec 9, 2023 7:01 pm

Can you name another "big three" (let's call it that at the moment) where all 3 are below average defenders?

I got the Bulls maybe, who are falling pretty much apart.....other than that?
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Post#245 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Dec 9, 2023 9:22 pm

HopelessKnick wrote:Can you name another "big three" (let's call it that at the moment) where all 3 are below average defenders?

I got the Bulls maybe, who are falling pretty much apart.....other than that?


We need 3 defenders to play defense. Maybe that's why our second unit is so good.
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Post#246 » by Knicks Byke » Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:45 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
HopelessKnick wrote:Can you name another "big three" (let's call it that at the moment) where all 3 are below average defenders?

I got the Bulls maybe, who are falling pretty much apart.....other than that?


We need 3 defenders to play defense. Maybe that's why our second unit is so good.


need to stagger our starters more.
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Post#247 » by spree2kawhi » Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:50 am

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HarthorneWingo wrote:
HopelessKnick wrote:Can you name another "big three" (let's call it that at the moment) where all 3 are below average defenders?

I got the Bulls maybe, who are falling pretty much apart.....other than that?


We need 3 defenders to play defense. Maybe that's why our second unit is so good.


need to stagger our starters more.

This team is just ass.
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Post#248 » by Im Coming Home » Sun Dec 10, 2023 12:53 pm

HopelessKnick wrote:Can you name another "big three" (let's call it that at the moment) where all 3 are below average defenders?

I got the Bulls maybe, who are falling pretty much apart.....other than that?

Only 2 are. RJ is pretty good. And at least Brunson tries. Can't say the same for Randle who likely can play D but chooses not to.
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Re: Grimes is truly overated and is not our best defender 

Post#249 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:42 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
ScienceOfLosing wrote:
Correct, RJ (post headache version) and Randle should get fewer shots, but that ain’t ISO ball and that is what Thibs likes.
There in lies the problem.

If they get fewer shots then Thibs needs to actually start calling plays.


We scored 123 points so I’d question if the offense was an issue in the game which again I did not watch

Our offensive rating in that game would rank #1 in the league (although it didn't exactly give off that impression). Our defensive rating would rank #30.

Our problems came on defense.


Thibs still coaches as if the avg 3 pt shooter only takes two or three a game. He doesn't stress defending the perimeter enough at all. Also....when Ranle doesn't rotate 95% of the time and refuses to close out, more wide open 3s for the opponents. If they are shooting well that night we lose. He also can't figure out how to run a defense when a stretch 5 drags Mitch out of the paint. Then things are compounded when a team like BOS goes on any sort of run.

Thibs caps the ceiling of his teams because he's not creative enough on either side of the ball and, he is too rigid in his rotations. Too often he pulls a hot hand and sits them too long because....9 men play...must change now and ignore any game flow. Too often he lets Julius run amok with no accountability.

I know they won a title but, they had Giannis. Is Budenholzer a good coach? The way he was fired seems shady. I think I'll go to the Bucks board and ask around.
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Post#250 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Dec 11, 2023 6:26 am

Grimes back in the starting lineup if we lose to Toronto.
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Post#251 » by Iron Mantis » Mon Dec 11, 2023 3:51 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:Grimes back in the starting lineup if we lose to Toronto.

Two games won't give him enough data.

He's going to have to roll with him for at least 15-20 games now.
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Post#252 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Dec 11, 2023 5:16 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:Grimes back in the starting lineup if we lose to Toronto.

Two games won't give him enough data.

He's going to have to roll with him for at least 15-20 games now.


I heard that Grimes is thrilled to be playing with the second unit.
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Post#253 » by Iron Mantis » Mon Dec 11, 2023 5:50 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:Grimes back in the starting lineup if we lose to Toronto.

Two games won't give him enough data.

He's going to have to roll with him for at least 15-20 games now.


I heard that Grimes is thrilled to be playing with the second unit.

He should be.

He looks more confident and is getting shots up with no fear of robbing the "big 3" of their touches.
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Post#256 » by dakomish23 » Wed Dec 13, 2023 5:20 pm

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Where we go Grimes, we go all

That's the slogan, right?
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Post#258 » by Guano » Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:10 pm

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Post#259 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Dec 13, 2023 11:42 pm

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Where we go Grimes, we go all

That's the slogan, right?

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No.

So goes Grimes, so go the Knicks.

or

The Knicks go only as far as Grimes can take them .

Those are the only choices. I have no idea what you wrote. Something about Grimes and Knicks. Is that the literal Indian-to-English translation. :lol:

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