Woj: Knicks trade for Alec Burks and Bojan Bogdanovich

[Fat Kat]

Grimes is evidently going to need an off-season to get his head straight.

He’s apparently injured again

[JayTWill]

Grimes is evidently going to need an off-season to get his head straight.

He’s apparently injured again

I know the hyperextension of the knee that he suffered with us looked pretty bad. I was surprised he came back to play that game. I know he is out due to injury again but I hadn't read if it was the same injury and he had just come back too soon.

[thebuzzardman]

Grimes is evidently going to need an off-season to get his head straight.

He’s apparently injured again

Thibs at it again!

[Fat Kat]

Grimes is evidently going to need an off-season to get his head straight.

He’s apparently injured again

I know the hyperextension of the knee that he suffered with us looked pretty bad. I was surprised he came back to play that game. I know he is out due to injury again but I hadn't read if it was the same injury and he had just come back too soon.

Could be. Right knee soreness.

[dakomish23]

Bojan - 8 games 24.8 MPG
14.1 PPG 3.1 RPG 1.4 APG 0.6 SPG
43.3% on 11.3 FGA
36.7% on 6.1 3PA
51.2% on 5.1 2PA
81.0% on 2.6 FTA
53.3% EFG 56.9% TS

Burks - 9 games 17.1 MPG
8.4 PPG 1.8 RPG 0.9 APG 0.1 SPG
31.7% on 9.1 FGA
32.5% on 4.4 3PA
31.0% on 4.7 2PA
68.8% on 1.8 FTA
39.6% EFG 42.7% TS

Lumping these two together to pretend the trade has been trash is dumb.

[MrDollarBills]

Bojan - 8 games 24.8 MPG
14.1 PPG 3.1 RPG 1.4 APG 0.6 SPG
43.3% on 11.3 FGA
36.7% on 6.1 3PA
51.2% on 5.1 2PA
81.0% on 2.6 FTA
53.3% EFG 56.9% TS

Burks - 9 games 17.1 MPG
8.4 PPG 1.8 RPG 0.9 APG 0.1 SPG
31.7% on 9.1 FGA
32.5% on 4.4 3PA
31.0% on 4.7 2PA
68.8% on 1.8 FTA
39.6% EFG 42.7% TS

Lumping these two together to pretend the trade has been trash is dumb.

Bojan's numbers will only uptick as the team gets healthier. Burks? I've seen nothing that leads me to believe he will remain in the rotation when the roster is at full strength.

[JayTWill]

Bojan - 8 games 24.8 MPG
14.1 PPG 3.1 RPG 1.4 APG 0.6 SPG
43.3% on 11.3 FGA
36.7% on 6.1 3PA
51.2% on 5.1 2PA
81.0% on 2.6 FTA
53.3% EFG 56.9% TS

Burks - 9 games 17.1 MPG
8.4 PPG 1.8 RPG 0.9 APG 0.1 SPG
31.7% on 9.1 FGA
32.5% on 4.4 3PA
31.0% on 4.7 2PA
68.8% on 1.8 FTA
39.6% EFG 42.7% TS

Lumping these two together to pretend the trade has been trash is dumb.

Bojan's shooting numbers have been around what I expected they would be. I didn't think he would be as efficient as he was in Detroit in a tougher environment. My issue with trading for him and Burks was how bad they are outside of scoring and how it didn't solve the team's problem of not having someone outside of Brunson to run the offense.

The team has been bleeding points with Bojan on the floor and the team's offense hasn't been good either. Maybe the addition of Mitch, Randle and OG changes things but so far he has had an extremely negative impact in his playing time.

It just seemed like Kemba/Fournier part 2 which so far it has been.

[Meat]

Bojan - 8 games 24.8 MPG
14.1 PPG 3.1 RPG 1.4 APG 0.6 SPG
43.3% on 11.3 FGA
36.7% on 6.1 3PA
51.2% on 5.1 2PA
81.0% on 2.6 FTA
53.3% EFG 56.9% TS

Burks - 9 games 17.1 MPG
8.4 PPG 1.8 RPG 0.9 APG 0.1 SPG
31.7% on 9.1 FGA
32.5% on 4.4 3PA
31.0% on 4.7 2PA
68.8% on 1.8 FTA
39.6% EFG 42.7% TS

Lumping these two together to pretend the trade has been trash is dumb.

Bojan's shooting numbers have been around what I expected they would be. I didn't think he would be as efficient as he was in Detroit in a tougher environment. My issue with trading for him and Burks was how bad they are outside of scoring and how it didn't solve the team's problem of not having someone outside of Brunson to run the offense.

The team has been bleeding points with Bojan on the floor and the team's offense hasn't been good either. Maybe the addition of Mitch, Randle and OG changes things but so far he has had an extremely negative impact in his playing time.

It just seemed like Kemba/Fournier part 2 which so far it has been.

2 of the league's best defenders and a player that often draws double teams. You think those are a maybe to change things?

[JayTWill]

Bojan - 8 games 24.8 MPG
14.1 PPG 3.1 RPG 1.4 APG 0.6 SPG
43.3% on 11.3 FGA
36.7% on 6.1 3PA
51.2% on 5.1 2PA
81.0% on 2.6 FTA
53.3% EFG 56.9% TS

Burks - 9 games 17.1 MPG
8.4 PPG 1.8 RPG 0.9 APG 0.1 SPG
31.7% on 9.1 FGA
32.5% on 4.4 3PA
31.0% on 4.7 2PA
68.8% on 1.8 FTA
39.6% EFG 42.7% TS

Lumping these two together to pretend the trade has been trash is dumb.

Bojan's shooting numbers have been around what I expected they would be. I didn't think he would be as efficient as he was in Detroit in a tougher environment. My issue with trading for him and Burks was how bad they are outside of scoring and how it didn't solve the team's problem of not having someone outside of Brunson to run the offense.

The team has been bleeding points with Bojan on the floor and the team's offense hasn't been good either. Maybe the addition of Mitch, Randle and OG changes things but so far he has had an extremely negative impact in his playing time.

It just seemed like Kemba/Fournier part 2 which so far it has been.

2 of the league's best defenders and a player that often draws double teams. You think those are a maybe to change things?

Of course the team as a whole will be better with those additions but it doesn't change how bad Bojan is defensively. It's not like he is being asked to take on tough defensive assignments right now. A team can only hide so many poor defenders and if you surround him with defenders it doesn't mean his offensive impact increases. So far the team is performing better with him off of the floor on both ends of the court.

Personally i'm curious to see what happens to his minutes if the team ever becomes fully healthy again.

[Fat Kat]

Read on Twitter

Pistons board thinks it might have been a preexisting injury

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2363167

[Iron Mantis]

Never take trade advice from Jerry West.

[moocow007]

Read on Twitter

Pistons board thinks it might have been a preexisting injury

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2363167

I knew it!!! Thibs at it again!

[moocow007]

Should have just pushed to trade for Demar Derozan instead. Would have required a 1st round pick instead of the 1st pick of the 2nd round that the Knicks gave back to Detroit. But what do I know.

[Fat Kat]

Never take trade advice from Jerry West.

Grimes has been the worst player involved in the trade so far. That includes Malachi Flynn.

[Besart19]

Should have just pushed to trade for Demar Derozan instead. Would have required a 1st round pick instead of the 1st pick of the 2nd round that the Knicks gave back to Detroit. But what do I know.

Yeah, but they didnt wanted to go beyond tax apron

But his mid range game in the playoffs would have been huge... and also Caruso as it was rumored in two sepatate deala

[HopelessKnick]

Should have just pushed to trade for Demar Derozan instead. Would have required a 1st round pick instead of the 1st pick of the 2nd round that the Knicks gave back to Detroit. But what do I know.

You think Chicago would have traded their best scorer amid their season altering push into playoff territory?

[Jalen Bluntson]

I think the trade was just a bunch of nothing. I would have preferred to keep Grimes and Flynn and said no to Burks but, whatever.

Grimes has gripes and he wasn't showing anything. Then he hurt his knee and hasn't been good at all since. He is only making 2.5 mil next year though. I believe Flynn is expiring and Thibs didn't care about him. I assume it kept a FRP or more 2RPs out of things so, they made the call.

Bogs is slightly better version of Evan but can play the 4? This was just rollover salary for any potential trades this summer and beyond.

It wasn't a real rotational player trade which we could have used with all of the injuries at the time. That's my issue with the return. We didn't really need either player for what they are but, I'll take Bogs for the FC depth. You get what you pay for. I guess this is what they were comfortable paying/receiving vs what the market was and their future plans. We really just need everyone back healthy and don't look back.

[Meat]

Should have just pushed to trade for Demar Derozan instead. Would have required a 1st round pick instead of the 1st pick of the 2nd round that the Knicks gave back to Detroit. But what do I know.

if he was available, someone would have scooped him

[stuporman]

Bojan - 8 games 24.8 MPG
14.1 PPG 3.1 RPG 1.4 APG 0.6 SPG
43.3% on 11.3 FGA
36.7% on 6.1 3PA
51.2% on 5.1 2PA
81.0% on 2.6 FTA
53.3% EFG 56.9% TS

Burks - 9 games 17.1 MPG
8.4 PPG 1.8 RPG 0.9 APG 0.1 SPG
31.7% on 9.1 FGA
32.5% on 4.4 3PA
31.0% on 4.7 2PA
68.8% on 1.8 FTA
39.6% EFG 42.7% TS

Lumping these two together to pretend the trade has been trash is dumb.

Bojan's shooting numbers have been around what I expected they would be. I didn't think he would be as efficient as he was in Detroit in a tougher environment. My issue with trading for him and Burks was how bad they are outside of scoring and how it didn't solve the team's problem of not having someone outside of Brunson to run the offense.

The team has been bleeding points with Bojan on the floor and the team's offense hasn't been good either. Maybe the addition of Mitch, Randle and OG changes things but so far he has had an extremely negative impact in his playing time.

It just seemed like Kemba/Fournier part 2 which so far it has been.

Aren't you the one for exaggeration...it's expiring and short contracts on bench players, not multi-year contracts for players intended to be starters. Nothing part 2 about it...but I'm sure you will come back to try and defend that take. Good luck.

[JayTWill]

Bojan - 8 games 24.8 MPG
14.1 PPG 3.1 RPG 1.4 APG 0.6 SPG
43.3% on 11.3 FGA
36.7% on 6.1 3PA
51.2% on 5.1 2PA
81.0% on 2.6 FTA
53.3% EFG 56.9% TS

Burks - 9 games 17.1 MPG
8.4 PPG 1.8 RPG 0.9 APG 0.1 SPG
31.7% on 9.1 FGA
32.5% on 4.4 3PA
31.0% on 4.7 2PA
68.8% on 1.8 FTA
39.6% EFG 42.7% TS

Lumping these two together to pretend the trade has been trash is dumb.

Bojan's shooting numbers have been around what I expected they would be. I didn't think he would be as efficient as he was in Detroit in a tougher environment. My issue with trading for him and Burks was how bad they are outside of scoring and how it didn't solve the team's problem of not having someone outside of Brunson to run the offense.

The team has been bleeding points with Bojan on the floor and the team's offense hasn't been good either. Maybe the addition of Mitch, Randle and OG changes things but so far he has had an extremely negative impact in his playing time.

It just seemed like Kemba/Fournier part 2 which so far it has been.

Aren't you the one for exaggeration...it's expiring and short contracts on bench players, not multi-year contracts for players intended to be starters. Nothing part 2 about it...but I'm sure you will come back to try and defend that take. Good luck.

My comparison to the Kemba/Fournier signings was based on the organization bringing those guys in after the offensive struggles in
the Atlanta series. I assume the thought process was that the team needed more offense which it did. Kemba fits the mold of a Thibs style on-ball scoring guard and Evan would add more scoring, spacing and some creation ability. Imo they were not good enough in that role at that stage in their careers to make up for how poorly they played on the defensive end.

They were not solely responsible for the team's decline that year but they played a role in it. This year the bench was struggling offensively after the OG trade. I assume the thought process was once again to add more scoring to the bench and more on-ball scoring ability which Thibs needs in his limited offense. I felt Burks and Bojan were not a good fit at this stage in their careers which is why I was surprised when the organization traded for them after the Kemba/Fournier experience. Alec and Bojan are both offensively talented players but I just didn't think they were a good fit at almost 33 and 35 for a Thibs team.

Is it exactly the same scenario? No. Bojan and Burks were brought in for smaller roles. Instead of paying to bring in guys that did not fit in free agency and attaching assets to get off of their contracts, this time the Knicks gave up assets for the right to pay 2 guys that don't seem to fit. The biggest difference is this time the team has enough talent outside of those guys to still be a great team but in the end they are both a bad use of assets.

The "Part 2" was about why would they bring in 2 similar style players at a late stage in their careers again when it failed the last time they did it.