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Wildcat wrote:sol537 wrote:PG13 would be a nice rental for a season or two but long term Mikal is a better fit for many reasons
Paul isn't looking or a short term deal. He's looking for 3/4 year deal.
KnixinSix wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:KnixinSix wrote:
Let me clarify some more. His on ball play is very tough on his body. You aren't talking about making him play it significantly more but just a little more to save wear and tear.
In the rotation I posted earlier.
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Line-up (Minutes):
Mitchell Robinson(30), Precious Achiwa (18)
OG (25), Hart(13), Achiwa (10)
Hart (20), OG (8), Okoro(20)
D-Mitch(20), DDV (28)
Brunson(35), D-Mitch(13)
Spidah and Brunson play on the floor together for like 20 out of a possible 48 minutes. Of those 20 Brunson can play off ball saving additional abuse on his body for like 10 of those 20 minutes.
Folks are being way too black and white on this. Its much more nuanced than just Brunson is a great point so another backcourt player would be useless. Brunson can still be the clear alpha of this team and main point guard. And they have the personalities to mesh well together. This team would be SIGNIFICANTLY better with Spidah added to it.
Secondly the other options almost all fit in the too old, too injury prone or simply not available bucket. Could a surprise guy pop up and become available? Possibly. But make no mistake Spida would be an incredible addition and I believe the fit would be excellent for the reasons mentioned above and on other posts.
Your minute distribution is unworkable. Mitchell will want to start and they will both be playing 35-40 MPG.
I think your premise of sharing facilitation duties to be wishful thinking and not grounded in reality. Not trying to be insulting, but you're trying too hard to spin up a speculative use case for something that would never happen. Brunson is the man on this team and DM is not going to take a backseat to him. He's the one that would have to play off the ball.
Aside from that, DM is not a defender you'd want to start next to Brunson. Brunson's D is actually improving, but you should still have a bigger SG starting next to him. Deuce is acceptable as a fill-in at his size because he's a great defender, but DM clearly is not.
It's a bad fit. The team no longer needs DM. That ship has sailed. I wish some of you would get over it, because in terms of roster construction he is redundant and utterly pointless. Plugging in his scoring data doesn't mitigate that one bit and make trading for him any more logical.
If this the FO went and got DM I would support it as a fan due to their superior knowledge and now proven ability to construct a roster, but until that happens I believe this FO would not see DM as a fit any longer.
Lastly, Brunson is the superior player. Back when people were jonesing for DM he was still considered by some to the be alpha player of the two despite being outplayed TWICE already by Brunson in the playoffs. But now the gap is considerable. They are on two entirely different levels.
Gutting our roster in a trade for DM is just a bad idea.
The biggest irony about any of you still wanting to get DM is you already have your superstar player in Brunson. You used to think getting DM would be that guy, but here we are with that guy already and you're still trying to get a guy who is an an inferior version of Brunson to play next to him. Show some appreciation for what you're already got. We need to build around Brunson, not try to duplicate him.
It ABSOLUTELY does work. Mitchell would be the starting 2. However Mitch and Brun would only play about 20 of the 48 minutes together. Mitchell also would be our back up point.
This isnt about Mitchell being the alpha but a phenomenal Robin to Brunsons Batman.
Gutting the roster? We are doing absolutely dandy without Randle with a defensively elite OG in his spot. McBride is a nice little playet but obviously doesn't hold a candle vs Donovan Mitchell . Our FRPs are just sitting there and our plan isnt to use them to build up an already mostly set roster missing an adidtional young vet superstar.
Clyde_Style wrote:KnixinSix wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:
Your minute distribution is unworkable. Mitchell will want to start and they will both be playing 35-40 MPG.
I think your premise of sharing facilitation duties to be wishful thinking and not grounded in reality. Not trying to be insulting, but you're trying too hard to spin up a speculative use case for something that would never happen. Brunson is the man on this team and DM is not going to take a backseat to him. He's the one that would have to play off the ball.
Aside from that, DM is not a defender you'd want to start next to Brunson. Brunson's D is actually improving, but you should still have a bigger SG starting next to him. Deuce is acceptable as a fill-in at his size because he's a great defender, but DM clearly is not.
It's a bad fit. The team no longer needs DM. That ship has sailed. I wish some of you would get over it, because in terms of roster construction he is redundant and utterly pointless. Plugging in his scoring data doesn't mitigate that one bit and make trading for him any more logical.
If this the FO went and got DM I would support it as a fan due to their superior knowledge and now proven ability to construct a roster, but until that happens I believe this FO would not see DM as a fit any longer.
Lastly, Brunson is the superior player. Back when people were jonesing for DM he was still considered by some to the be alpha player of the two despite being outplayed TWICE already by Brunson in the playoffs. But now the gap is considerable. They are on two entirely different levels.
Gutting our roster in a trade for DM is just a bad idea.
The biggest irony about any of you still wanting to get DM is you already have your superstar player in Brunson. You used to think getting DM would be that guy, but here we are with that guy already and you're still trying to get a guy who is an an inferior version of Brunson to play next to him. Show some appreciation for what you're already got. We need to build around Brunson, not try to duplicate him.
It ABSOLUTELY does work. Mitchell would be the starting 2. However Mitch and Brun would only play about 20 of the 48 minutes together. Mitchell also would be our back up point.
This isnt about Mitchell being the alpha but a phenomenal Robin to Brunsons Batman.
Gutting the roster? We are doing absolutely dandy without Randle with a defensively elite OG in his spot. McBride is a nice little playet but obviously doesn't hold a candle vs Donovan Mitchell . Our FRPs are just sitting there and our plan isnt to use them to build up an already mostly set roster missing an adidtional young vet superstar.
We disagree, but the odds of DM becoming a Knick are now very low so I won't be pondering this any longer.
KnixinSix wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:KnixinSix wrote:
It ABSOLUTELY does work. Mitchell would be the starting 2. However Mitch and Brun would only play about 20 of the 48 minutes together. Mitchell also would be our back up point.
This isnt about Mitchell being the alpha but a phenomenal Robin to Brunsons Batman.
Gutting the roster? We are doing absolutely dandy without Randle with a defensively elite OG in his spot. McBride is a nice little playet but obviously doesn't hold a candle vs Donovan Mitchell . Our FRPs are just sitting there and our plan isnt to use them to build up an already mostly set roster missing an adidtional young vet superstar.
We disagree, but the odds of DM becoming a Knick are now very low so I won't be pondering this any longer.
We are sitting on a TON of FRP assets. We are going to use them. It feels like this offseason is finally the boiling point. Between Randle moving away from CAA, Bogeys 20M expiring, McBride becoming a viable 3&D guy and 8 something FRPs in next 5 years we are in a very strong place for one of :
1. Spidah
2. Embiid
3. KAT
4. Anthony Davis
5. Lebron James
6. Booke5
How many of these guys are sub 30-31, CAA and not significantly injury prone? Just one with maybe 2 if Booker somehow pries free (unlikely).
aggo wrote:Unless it’s Randle for Spida, the dream is gone
We gonna pay OG 40m/yr
Spida can’t fit bc there’s no room in our cap once we resign OG
Spree2Houston wrote:Donovan Mitchell will never take a backseat to Jalen Brunson. The offense would end up being 2 guys taking turns going iso. You already see that failing in Milwaukee. It won’t work here either. I won’t even get into the defensive aspect with this pairing. This is Jalen’s team. You want the #2 to compliment him.
RIP mags
Jalen Bluntson wrote:I don't care what they do. I expect Randle back healthy and a predominant run back of the same team. We are the 2 seed FFS. Without Randle for half the season. Are we really some mystery star trade away anymore? Sure it may put is over the top but, who and for what?
With the way things are looking in Minny, a KAT/Randle trade may be a possibility. I Don't see anything else that makes sense. DM? Doesn't make any sense to me. This is Brunson's team. I refuse to break up the Nova boys too so...what do we really need to do? Upgrade the bench? Re-sign OG/iHart and Precious if we have the money. I trust Leon and company to do what is the best for the future of this team.
aggo wrote:Unless it’s Randle for Spida, the dream is gone
We gonna pay OG 40m/yr
Spida can’t fit bc there’s no room in our cap once we resign OG
Wildcat wrote:Jalen Bluntson wrote:I don't care what they do. I expect Randle back healthy and a predominant run back of the same team. We are the 2 seed FFS. Without Randle for half the season. Are we really some mystery star trade away anymore? Sure it may put is over the top but, who and for what?
With the way things are looking in Minny, a KAT/Randle trade may be a possibility. I Don't see anything else that makes sense. DM? Doesn't make any sense to me. This is Brunson's team. I refuse to break up the Nova boys too so...what do we really need to do? Upgrade the bench? Re-sign OG/iHart and Precious if we have the money. I trust Leon and company to do what is the best for the future of this team.
I'm on the run it back train. Have to see what they actually have with Randle.
KnixinSix wrote:aggo wrote:Unless it’s Randle for Spida, the dream is gone
We gonna pay OG 40m/yr
Spida can’t fit bc there’s no room in our cap once we resign OG
There most definitely is bc chances are Randle WOULD be included. He left CAA (probably not a coincidence).....Randle is 30M and Bogs is 20M , we have another 5M or so in lower level players too. Oh yeah and 4.7M in McBride.
Wildcat wrote:Jalen Bluntson wrote:I don't care what they do. I expect Randle back healthy and a predominant run back of the same team. We are the 2 seed FFS. Without Randle for half the season. Are we really some mystery star trade away anymore? Sure it may put is over the top but, who and for what?
With the way things are looking in Minny, a KAT/Randle trade may be a possibility. I Don't see anything else that makes sense. DM? Doesn't make any sense to me. This is Brunson's team. I refuse to break up the Nova boys too so...what do we really need to do? Upgrade the bench? Re-sign OG/iHart and Precious if we have the money. I trust Leon and company to do what is the best for the future of this team.
I'm on the run it back train. Have to see what they actually have with Randle.
RIP mags
thebuzzardman wrote:Brunson/McBride
Donte/Hart
Bridges/Hart
OG/Bridges
KAT/iHart
Jalen Bluntson wrote:Wildcat wrote:Jalen Bluntson wrote:I don't care what they do. I expect Randle back healthy and a predominant run back of the same team. We are the 2 seed FFS. Without Randle for half the season. Are we really some mystery star trade away anymore? Sure it may put is over the top but, who and for what?
With the way things are looking in Minny, a KAT/Randle trade may be a possibility. I Don't see anything else that makes sense. DM? Doesn't make any sense to me. This is Brunson's team. I refuse to break up the Nova boys too so...what do we really need to do? Upgrade the bench? Re-sign OG/iHart and Precious if we have the money. I trust Leon and company to do what is the best for the future of this team.
I'm on the run it back train. Have to see what they actually have with Randle.
I normally don't get deep into this stuff until after the season is over. Then I find out cap hits and the rest. Just looking at a run it back scenario with Thibs as the HC.
Brunson/Deuce
DDV
OG/Hart
Randle/Bogs/Precious
iHart/Mitch/Sims
Who do we replace? We don't even know what the cap would look like after OG gets a deal. We know the most we can pay iHart. Precious might not make the cut depending on cap issues.
I have been saying since last summer that we might not make a star trade until next year's deadline if at all. Time will tell. I give this FO complete trust to make sense of it all and do what makes the most sense. We just went through the most winning in 4 consecutive years than we have during any stretch in the 20 previous years. They seem to know what they are doing, even with a few missteps. 4 seed 5 seed 2 seed three of the last four years. Let that sink in a minute. We won 21 games the year before that.
HarthorneWingo wrote:Jalen Bluntson wrote:Wildcat wrote:
I'm on the run it back train. Have to see what they actually have with Randle.
I normally don't get deep into this stuff until after the season is over. Then I find out cap hits and the rest. Just looking at a run it back scenario with Thibs as the HC.
Brunson/Deuce
DDV
OG/Hart
Randle/Bogs/Precious
iHart/Mitch/Sims
Who do we replace? We don't even know what the cap would look like after OG gets a deal. We know the most we can pay iHart. Precious might not make the cut depending on cap issues.
I have been saying since last summer that we might not make a star trade until next year's deadline if at all. Time will tell. I give this FO complete trust to make sense of it all and do what makes the most sense. We just went through the most winning in 4 consecutive years than we have during any stretch in the 20 previous years. They seem to know what they are doing, even with a few missteps. 4 seed 5 seed 2 seed three of the last four years. Let that sink in a minute. We won 21 games the year before that.
Those parts fit very nicely together.
I guess we could conceivably work out a trade of Randle for KAT but that would shock me. Thibs loves Julius.
RIP mags 
Jalen Bluntson wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:Jalen Bluntson wrote:
I normally don't get deep into this stuff until after the season is over. Then I find out cap hits and the rest. Just looking at a run it back scenario with Thibs as the HC.
Brunson/Deuce
DDV
OG/Hart
Randle/Bogs/Precious
iHart/Mitch/Sims
Who do we replace? We don't even know what the cap would look like after OG gets a deal. We know the most we can pay iHart. Precious might not make the cut depending on cap issues.
I have been saying since last summer that we might not make a star trade until next year's deadline if at all. Time will tell. I give this FO complete trust to make sense of it all and do what makes the most sense. We just went through the most winning in 4 consecutive years than we have during any stretch in the 20 previous years. They seem to know what they are doing, even with a few missteps. 4 seed 5 seed 2 seed three of the last four years. Let that sink in a minute. We won 21 games the year before that.
Those parts fit very nicely together.
I guess we could conceivably work out a trade of Randle for KAT but that would shock me. Thibs loves Julius.
Randle for KAT seems possible but, is it really a smart move? The contract alone is questionable and, is it really that much of an upgrade? I don't see any other star player available that makes sense either. Running back the 2 seed....that was playing like the best team in the league when healthy doesn't seem like a bad idea. We are a contender today. Unless something makes sense, I don't see much happening this summer.
aggo wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:Brunson/McBride
Donte/Hart
Bridges/Hart
OG/Bridges
KAT/iHart
Capn'O wrote:I wonder what Paul Reed's feelings are about metal bats.
