Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread

[Kidknick!]

Only trade to make is for Squidward. Don't wanna lose Deuce though.

[KnixinSix]

Donovan Mitchell will never take a backseat to Jalen Brunson. The offense would end up being 2 guys taking turns going iso. You already see that failing in Milwaukee. It won’t work here either. I won’t even get into the defensive aspect with this pairing. This is Jalen’s team. You want the #2 to compliment him.

He will be shooting guard quite a bit of the time and back up point as well. It could absolutely work. It would allow Brunson to play more off ball too and actually a legit talent to take the ball up court too.

[spree2kawhi]

Donovan Mitchell will never take a backseat to Jalen Brunson. The offense would end up being 2 guys taking turns going iso. You already see that failing in Milwaukee. It won’t work here either. I won’t even get into the defensive aspect with this pairing. This is Jalen’s team. You want the #2 to compliment him.

This.

[Clyde_Style]

Donovan Mitchell will never take a backseat to Jalen Brunson. The offense would end up being 2 guys taking turns going iso. You already see that failing in Milwaukee. It won’t work here either. I won’t even get into the defensive aspect with this pairing. This is Jalen’s team. You want the #2 to compliment him.

He will be shooting guard quite a bit of the time and back up point as well. It could absolutely work. It would allow Brunson to play more off ball too and actually a legit talent to take the ball up court too.

Why on earth would you want Brunson to play off the ball?

He is literally the most devastating on the ball guard in the NBA now. He disrupts offenses by being on the ball, not waiting to receive catch and shoot opportunities. That's for Brunson's teammates. He's the engine, the creator. The idea that he should share the ball with Donovan Mitchell is frankly ridiculous

[spree2kawhi]

Brunson, McBride
Mikal, DVo
OG, Hart
Doncic, Achiuwa
Hartenstein, Sims



I just don’t know how we can pull that off

[Wildcat]

I really like Spida, but I think the team has evolved pass him, unfortunately. As a fan, I really can't ask for more out of the SG position.

[KnixinSix]

Donovan Mitchell will never take a backseat to Jalen Brunson. The offense would end up being 2 guys taking turns going iso. You already see that failing in Milwaukee. It won’t work here either. I won’t even get into the defensive aspect with this pairing. This is Jalen’s team. You want the #2 to compliment him.

He will be shooting guard quite a bit of the time and back up point as well. It could absolutely work. It would allow Brunson to play more off ball too and actually a legit talent to take the ball up court too.

Why on earth would you want Brunson to play off the ball?

He is literally the most devastating on the ball guard in the NBA now. He disrupts offenses by being on the ball, not waiting to receive catch and shoot opportunities. That's for Brunson's teammates. He's the engine, the creator. The idea that he should share the ball with Donovan Mitchell is frankly ridiculous

Let me clarify some more. His on ball play is very tough on his body. You aren't talking about making him play it significantly more but just a little more to save wear and tear.

In the rotation I posted earlier.
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Line-up (Minutes):
Mitchell Robinson(30), Precious Achiwa (18)
OG (25), Hart(13), Achiwa (10)
Hart (20), OG (8), Okoro(20)
D-Mitch(20), DDV (28)
Brunson(35), D-Mitch(13)

Spidah and Brunson play on the floor together for like 20 out of a possible 48 minutes. Of those 20 Brunson can play off ball saving additional abuse on his body for like 10 of those 20 minutes.

Folks are being way too black and white on this. Its much more nuanced than just Brunson is a great point so another backcourt player would be useless. Brunson can still be the clear alpha of this team and main point guard. And they have the personalities to mesh well together. This team would be SIGNIFICANTLY better with Spidah added to it.

Secondly the other options almost all fit in the too old, too injury prone or simply not available bucket. Could a surprise guy pop up and become available? Possibly. But make no mistake Spida would be an incredible addition and I believe the fit would be excellent for the reasons mentioned above and on other posts.

[KnixinSix]

I really like Spida, but I think the team has evolved pass him, unfortunately. As a fan, I really can't ask for more out of the SG position.

Why? DDV is pretty decent but isnt a superstar by any stretch and in rhe example rotation I listed he still gets something like 28 minutes or so. Mitchell plays both 1 and 2 and by their obvious interest in Dejounte this year its clear they want a guy to take some pressure off Jalen in the backcourt.

[Wildcat]

I really like Spida, but I think the team has evolved pass him, unfortunately. As a fan, I really can't ask for more out of the SG position.

Why? DDV is pretty decent but isnt a superstar by any stretch and in rhe example rotation I listed he still gets something like 28 minutes or so. Mitchell plays both 1 and 2 and by their obvious interest in Dejounte this year its clear they want a guy to take some pressure off Jalen in the backcourt.

I don't prescribe to the superstar argument. On a fully healthy roster (with Randle), I think the backup guard is less of a concern because Josh will be back on the bench and Thibs can stagger Julius in. I think the Dejounte interest was born from necessity at the time. I know you're using him as an example, but that fit was always suspect.

The other thing you'll have to factor in is cost of the trade. I see no world in which this wouldn't cost the Knicks Donte, Miles, and Bojan because the salary matching. And they aren't taking Robinson at their current roster setup.

I like our healthy team. It's really hard to see Spida fitting in (and in the past, I've said time and again that they JB and Spida can make it work, but I think JB has taken is game to another level in the last 2 months and it's not a lucky stretch).

[KnixinSix]

I really like Spida, but I think the team has evolved pass him, unfortunately. As a fan, I really can't ask for more out of the SG position.

Why? DDV is pretty decent but isnt a superstar by any stretch and in rhe example rotation I listed he still gets something like 28 minutes or so. Mitchell plays both 1 and 2 and by their obvious interest in Dejounte this year its clear they want a guy to take some pressure off Jalen in the backcourt.

I don't prescribe to the superstar argument. On a fully healthy roster (with Randle), I think the backup guard is less of a concern because Josh will be back on the bench and Thibs can stagger Julius in. I think the Dejounte interest was born from necessity at the time. I know you're using him as an example, but that fit was always suspect.

The other thing you'll have to factor in is cost of the trade. I see no world in which this wouldn't cost the Knicks Donte, Miles, and Bojan because the salary matching. And they aren't taking Robinson at their current roster setup.

I like our healthy team. It's really hard to see Spida fitting in (and in the past, I've said time and again that they JB and Spida can make it work, but I think JB has taken is game to another level in the last 2 months and it's not a lucky stretch).

We will have to agree to disagree WC. Sure he isn't ideal height but Spidah is showing again this year that he can absolutely play above average to high level defense. But he isn't super short either at 6'3 and has a lengthy wingspan. He is an intense player thats style would ABSOLUTELY fit a Thibodeaux hard nosed team.

In fact right now I dont see a better fit this offseason because the elite scoring Centers types are way too injury prone with astronomical contacts. Others like PG13 are too old and also somewhat injury prone themselves. And lastly stars like Devin Booker are just likely not going to spring free.

[Wildcat]

Why? DDV is pretty decent but isnt a superstar by any stretch and in rhe example rotation I listed he still gets something like 28 minutes or so. Mitchell plays both 1 and 2 and by their obvious interest in Dejounte this year its clear they want a guy to take some pressure off Jalen in the backcourt.

I don't prescribe to the superstar argument. On a fully healthy roster (with Randle), I think the backup guard is less of a concern because Josh will be back on the bench and Thibs can stagger Julius in. I think the Dejounte interest was born from necessity at the time. I know you're using him as an example, but that fit was always suspect.

The other thing you'll have to factor in is cost of the trade. I see no world in which this wouldn't cost the Knicks Donte, Miles, and Bojan because the salary matching. And they aren't taking Robinson at their current roster setup.

I like our healthy team. It's really hard to see Spida fitting in (and in the past, I've said time and again that they JB and Spida can make it work, but I think JB has taken is game to another level in the last 2 months and it's not a lucky stretch).

We will have to agree to disagree WC. Sure he isn't ideal height but Spidah is showing again this year that he can absolutely play above average to high level defense. But he isn't super short either at 6'3 and has a lengthy wingspan. He is an intense player thats style would ABSOLUTELY fit a Thibodeaux hard nosed team.

In fact right now I dont see a better fit this offseason because the elite scoring Centers types are way too injury prone with astronomical contacts. Others like PG13 are too old and also somewhat injury prone themselves. And lastly stars like Devin Booker are just likely not going to spring free.

Like I said, I don't prescribe to star chasing. Not anymore, anyway. It's not a knock on Spida. I don't think the resilience this team has shown is an abnormality. And I think adding a healthy Randle is worthy of contention.

And again, I don't see scenario where the trade isn't costing Miles and Donte.

[KnixinSix]

I don't prescribe to the superstar argument. On a fully healthy roster (with Randle), I think the backup guard is less of a concern because Josh will be back on the bench and Thibs can stagger Julius in. I think the Dejounte interest was born from necessity at the time. I know you're using him as an example, but that fit was always suspect.

The other thing you'll have to factor in is cost of the trade. I see no world in which this wouldn't cost the Knicks Donte, Miles, and Bojan because the salary matching. And they aren't taking Robinson at their current roster setup.

I like our healthy team. It's really hard to see Spida fitting in (and in the past, I've said time and again that they JB and Spida can make it work, but I think JB has taken is game to another level in the last 2 months and it's not a lucky stretch).

We will have to agree to disagree WC. Sure he isn't ideal height but Spidah is showing again this year that he can absolutely play above average to high level defense. But he isn't super short either at 6'3 and has a lengthy wingspan. He is an intense player thats style would ABSOLUTELY fit a Thibodeaux hard nosed team.

In fact right now I dont see a better fit this offseason because the elite scoring Centers types are way too injury prone with astronomical contacts. Others like PG13 are too old and also somewhat injury prone themselves. And lastly stars like Devin Booker are just likely not going to spring free.

Like I said, I don't prescribe to star chasing. Not anymore, anyway. It's not a knock on Spida. I don't think the resilience this team has shown is an abnormality. And I think adding a healthy Randle is worthy of contention.

And again, I don't see scenario where the trade isn't costing Miles and Donte.

I hear you. We just differ philosophically. Just so many teams out there who have won championships bringing in the Superstar and its obviously the reason and point Rose and company have stockpiled so many picks.

YES, it will cost McBride and possibly Randle too. But it would be entirely worth it. OG takes the PF spot and Achiwa gets more minutes. Then you have an absolutely dominant back court with JB, DM and DDV.

I detailed what the minutes rotation looks like and its pretty good. Thats not even counting a secondary trade of Bogs and first round picks for potentially some front court piece as well.

[KnicksGadfly]

I don't prescribe to the superstar argument. On a fully healthy roster (with Randle), I think the backup guard is less of a concern because Josh will be back on the bench and Thibs can stagger Julius in. I think the Dejounte interest was born from necessity at the time. I know you're using him as an example, but that fit was always suspect.

The other thing you'll have to factor in is cost of the trade. I see no world in which this wouldn't cost the Knicks Donte, Miles, and Bojan because the salary matching. And they aren't taking Robinson at their current roster setup.

I like our healthy team. It's really hard to see Spida fitting in (and in the past, I've said time and again that they JB and Spida can make it work, but I think JB has taken is game to another level in the last 2 months and it's not a lucky stretch).

We will have to agree to disagree WC. Sure he isn't ideal height but Spidah is showing again this year that he can absolutely play above average to high level defense. But he isn't super short either at 6'3 and has a lengthy wingspan. He is an intense player thats style would ABSOLUTELY fit a Thibodeaux hard nosed team.

In fact right now I dont see a better fit this offseason because the elite scoring Centers types are way too injury prone with astronomical contacts. Others like PG13 are too old and also somewhat injury prone themselves. And lastly stars like Devin Booker are just likely not going to spring free.

Like I said, I don't prescribe to star chasing. Not anymore, anyway. It's not a knock on Spida. I don't think the resilience this team has shown is an abnormality. And I think adding a healthy Randle is worthy of contention.

And again, I don't see scenario where the trade isn't costing Miles and Donte.

Honestly, I think it is a knock on Spida and I absolutely agree with it. If he knew how to play with stars, he would have showed it already. The Cavs need it desperately. Spida has already shown that he can play on his own - he’s done it in Utah and he’s done it without Garland in the regular season. Unfortunately, he can’t get it done in the playoffs with that style.

There’s a reason there’s even an argument about Spida and Mikal right now. It’s basically fit. It’s the same argument about Dejounte. If the guys knew how to fit, they would have shown it.

You can’t just cram talented guys together. Once you get a big three together, the chances are some guy needs to be Chris Bosh or Kevin Love or some other star that had to take a step back for the good of the team.

That’s why I’d rather take my chances with Paul George. Yea, he can get injured and he’s old, but he possesses the set of skills and mentality that allow him to fit with Brunson. If Mitchell comes here and he plays like he has with Garland, then our chances of winning are zero. Also Mitchell is injury prone too.

[KnixinSix]

We will have to agree to disagree WC. Sure he isn't ideal height but Spidah is showing again this year that he can absolutely play above average to high level defense. But he isn't super short either at 6'3 and has a lengthy wingspan. He is an intense player thats style would ABSOLUTELY fit a Thibodeaux hard nosed team.

In fact right now I dont see a better fit this offseason because the elite scoring Centers types are way too injury prone with astronomical contacts. Others like PG13 are too old and also somewhat injury prone themselves. And lastly stars like Devin Booker are just likely not going to spring free.

Like I said, I don't prescribe to star chasing. Not anymore, anyway. It's not a knock on Spida. I don't think the resilience this team has shown is an abnormality. And I think adding a healthy Randle is worthy of contention.

And again, I don't see scenario where the trade isn't costing Miles and Donte.

Honestly, I think it is a knock on Spida and I absolutely agree with it. If he knew how to play with stars, he would have showed it already. The Cavs need it desperately. Spida has already shown that he can play on his own - he’s done it in Utah and he’s done it without Garland in the regular season. Unfortunately, he can’t get it done in the playoffs with that style.

There’s a reason there’s even an argument about Spida and Mikal right now. It’s basically fit. It’s the same argument about Dejounte. If the guys knew how to fit, they would have shown it.

You can’t just cram talented guys together. Once you get a big three together, the chances are some guy needs to be Chris Bosh or Kevin Love or some other star that had to take a step back for the good of the team.

That’s why I’d rather take my chances with Paul George. Yea, he can get injured and he’s old, but he possesses the set of skills and mentality that allow him to fit with Brunson. If Mitchell comes here and he plays like he has with Garland, then our chances of winning are zero. Also Mitchell is injury prone too.

If you look at Donovans career he is much less injury prone and younger than the other potentially available stars. Thats is big factor in the equation here too.

Also Garland is not like JB and this system is very different than Cleveland.

[sol537]

PG13 would be a nice rental for a season or two but long term Mikal is a better fit for many reasons

[Clyde_Style]

He will be shooting guard quite a bit of the time and back up point as well. It could absolutely work. It would allow Brunson to play more off ball too and actually a legit talent to take the ball up court too.

Why on earth would you want Brunson to play off the ball?

He is literally the most devastating on the ball guard in the NBA now. He disrupts offenses by being on the ball, not waiting to receive catch and shoot opportunities. That's for Brunson's teammates. He's the engine, the creator. The idea that he should share the ball with Donovan Mitchell is frankly ridiculous

Let me clarify some more. His on ball play is very tough on his body. You aren't talking about making him play it significantly more but just a little more to save wear and tear.

In the rotation I posted earlier.
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Line-up (Minutes):
Mitchell Robinson(30), Precious Achiwa (18)
OG (25), Hart(13), Achiwa (10)
Hart (20), OG (8), Okoro(20)
D-Mitch(20), DDV (28)
Brunson(35), D-Mitch(13)

Spidah and Brunson play on the floor together for like 20 out of a possible 48 minutes. Of those 20 Brunson can play off ball saving additional abuse on his body for like 10 of those 20 minutes.

Folks are being way too black and white on this. Its much more nuanced than just Brunson is a great point so another backcourt player would be useless. Brunson can still be the clear alpha of this team and main point guard. And they have the personalities to mesh well together. This team would be SIGNIFICANTLY better with Spidah added to it.

Secondly the other options almost all fit in the too old, too injury prone or simply not available bucket. Could a surprise guy pop up and become available? Possibly. But make no mistake Spida would be an incredible addition and I believe the fit would be excellent for the reasons mentioned above and on other posts.

Your minute distribution is unworkable. Mitchell will want to start and they will both be playing 35-40 MPG.

I think your premise of sharing facilitation duties to be wishful thinking and not grounded in reality. Not trying to be insulting, but you're trying too hard to spin up a speculative use case for something that would never happen. Brunson is the man on this team and DM is not going to take a backseat to him. He's the one that would have to play off the ball.

Aside from that, DM is not a defender you'd want to start next to Brunson. Brunson's D is actually improving, but you should still have a bigger SG starting next to him. Deuce is acceptable as a fill-in at his size because he's a great defender, but DM clearly is not.

It's a bad fit. The team no longer needs DM. That ship has sailed. I wish some of you would get over it, because in terms of roster construction he is redundant and utterly pointless. Plugging in his scoring data doesn't mitigate that one bit and make trading for him any more logical.

If this the FO went and got DM I would support it as a fan due to their superior knowledge and now proven ability to construct a roster, but until that happens I believe this FO would not see DM as a fit any longer.

Lastly, Brunson is the superior player. Back when people were jonesing for DM he was still considered by some to the be alpha player of the two despite being outplayed TWICE already by Brunson in the playoffs. But now the gap is considerable. They are on two entirely different levels.

Gutting our roster in a trade for DM is just a bad idea.

The biggest irony about any of you still wanting to get DM is you already have your superstar player in Brunson. You used to think getting DM would be that guy, but here we are with that guy already and you're still trying to get a guy who is an an inferior version of Brunson to play next to him. Show some appreciation for what you're already got. We need to build around Brunson, not try to duplicate him.

[Clyde_Style]

PG13 would be a nice rental for a season or two but long term Mikal is a better fit for many reasons

The logic for getting Mikal is sound.

The expectation the Nets would do that deal with us is not.

[Wildcat]

Honestly, I think it is a knock on Spida and I absolutely agree with it. If he knew how to play with stars, he would have showed it already. The Cavs need it desperately. Spida has already shown that he can play on his own - he’s done it in Utah and he’s done it without Garland in the regular season. Unfortunately, he can’t get it done in the playoffs with that style.

There’s a reason there’s even an argument about Spida and Mikal right now. It’s basically fit. It’s the same argument about Dejounte. If the guys knew how to fit, they would have shown it.

You can’t just cram talented guys together. Once you get a big three together, the chances are some guy needs to be Chris Bosh or Kevin Love or some other star that had to take a step back for the good of the team.

That’s why I’d rather take my chances with Paul George. Yea, he can get injured and he’s old, but he possesses the set of skills and mentality that allow him to fit with Brunson. If Mitchell comes here and he plays like he has with Garland, then our chances of winning are zero. Also Mitchell is injury prone too.

I don't want to hate on Garland, but how much of a star is he really? I think he played fine with Ruby, no? I think the issue with Cleveland is that they're trying to cram him into their current roster. That team needs to be built around him. He's better than Garland in every sense. It showed while he was out. Ironically, he needs a team like the Knicks.

If Donovan came here, I think the difference between JB and Garland is alpha. Donovan will have to fit in with JB.

I'm not high on Paul. Primarily because this is posturing on his end. He's not leaving home.

[Wildcat]

PG13 would be a nice rental for a season or two but long term Mikal is a better fit for many reasons

Paul isn't looking or a short term deal. He's looking for 3/4 year deal.

[KnixinSix]

Why on earth would you want Brunson to play off the ball?

He is literally the most devastating on the ball guard in the NBA now. He disrupts offenses by being on the ball, not waiting to receive catch and shoot opportunities. That's for Brunson's teammates. He's the engine, the creator. The idea that he should share the ball with Donovan Mitchell is frankly ridiculous

Let me clarify some more. His on ball play is very tough on his body. You aren't talking about making him play it significantly more but just a little more to save wear and tear.

In the rotation I posted earlier.
..


Line-up (Minutes):
Mitchell Robinson(30), Precious Achiwa (18)
OG (25), Hart(13), Achiwa (10)
Hart (20), OG (8), Okoro(20)
D-Mitch(20), DDV (28)
Brunson(35), D-Mitch(13)

Spidah and Brunson play on the floor together for like 20 out of a possible 48 minutes. Of those 20 Brunson can play off ball saving additional abuse on his body for like 10 of those 20 minutes.

Folks are being way too black and white on this. Its much more nuanced than just Brunson is a great point so another backcourt player would be useless. Brunson can still be the clear alpha of this team and main point guard. And they have the personalities to mesh well together. This team would be SIGNIFICANTLY better with Spidah added to it.

Secondly the other options almost all fit in the too old, too injury prone or simply not available bucket. Could a surprise guy pop up and become available? Possibly. But make no mistake Spida would be an incredible addition and I believe the fit would be excellent for the reasons mentioned above and on other posts.

Your minute distribution is unworkable. Mitchell will want to start and they will both be playing 35-40 MPG.

I think your premise of sharing facilitation duties to be wishful thinking and not grounded in reality. Not trying to be insulting, but you're trying too hard to spin up a speculative use case for something that would never happen. Brunson is the man on this team and DM is not going to take a backseat to him. He's the one that would have to play off the ball.

Aside from that, DM is not a defender you'd want to start next to Brunson. Brunson's D is actually improving, but you should still have a bigger SG starting next to him. Deuce is acceptable as a fill-in at his size because he's a great defender, but DM clearly is not.

It's a bad fit. The team no longer needs DM. That ship has sailed. I wish some of you would get over it, because in terms of roster construction he is redundant and utterly pointless. Plugging in his scoring data doesn't mitigate that one bit and make trading for him any more logical.

If this the FO went and got DM I would support it as a fan due to their superior knowledge and now proven ability to construct a roster, but until that happens I believe this FO would not see DM as a fit any longer.

Lastly, Brunson is the superior player. Back when people were jonesing for DM he was still considered by some to the be alpha player of the two despite being outplayed TWICE already by Brunson in the playoffs. But now the gap is considerable. They are on two entirely different levels.

Gutting our roster in a trade for DM is just a bad idea.

The biggest irony about any of you still wanting to get DM is you already have your superstar player in Brunson. You used to think getting DM would be that guy, but here we are with that guy already and you're still trying to get a guy who is an an inferior version of Brunson to play next to him. Show some appreciation for what you're already got. We need to build around Brunson, not try to duplicate him.

It ABSOLUTELY does work. Mitchell would be the starting 2. However Mitch and Brun would only play about 20 of the 48 minutes together. Mitchell also would be our back up point.

This isnt about Mitchell being the alpha but a phenomenal Robin to Brunsons Batman.

Gutting the roster? We are doing absolutely dandy without Randle with a defensively elite OG in his spot. McBride is a nice little playet but obviously doesn't hold a candle vs Donovan Mitchell . Our FRPs are just sitting there and our plan isnt to use them to build up an already mostly set roster missing an adidtional young vet superstar.