TKF wrote:TheBluest wrote:We haven't done any favors for ourselves that's for sure, team and fan wise. The Franchise has been probably the most incompetent ran in NBA history the past decade. The players we've assembled as what would be assumed our Core the past 5yrs have been the worst collection of athletes, with very few exceptions, one could imagine of putting together. Our fan base has essentially no standard, are extremely homeristic, and point blank up until last yr were accepting the product being presented to them. Looks like we're back to this point again. Then we have quite a few fans who aren't really that intelligent but act like they are. I mean just this summer alone, about half of this board didn't know the advantage or what a TPE was. I'm not sure if it's due to age or simply an overall lack of intelligence. As far as the outsiders go, some will hate just to hate and some have given fair criticism to this franchise. I personally ignore all the criticism and take it as a given until we start changing the culture and winning games. Bottom line is the W, there is no other standard, including looking pretty or being entertaining while losing.
Let me ask you a question. What proof do you have of that? Did you read where fans came out and said as a whole? We love what is going on? or do you hear boos at the garden? do you hear fire Isiah chants? And let me ask you this? did you watch the knicks last year, or did you tune in to watch another team, a better product? because if you didn't, then you are one of those who have no standards either. personally, I have purchased the NBA league pass for the past 12+ years or since it first came out, and I along with the knicks have chosen to watch other teams, other products that were just superior to the knicks. Did you do the same? Because if you continued to watch this horrible product, what does that say? are you a homer? or are you just like the rest of us? diehard fans...
I would not be so arrogant to sit here and call people homers and accepting low standards, just because they root for their team through thick and thin. No one here I am sure likes what is happenning. No one!!! can they control that? not really, doesn't mean they have accepted it. This forum is full of fans who have protested scott layden, booed Isiah, and ridiculed lazy players. Our standards have not changed on bit. I think it is pretty arrogant to sit back and say that as if you are above the average fan because you sit there and complain and whine 24/7.. yet watch the games.. that doesn't make you a realist, I can tell you that....
An emotional wrecked up post LOL!
Homerism can be looked at in many different aspects let me broaden your horizon. A lot of what you stated above doesn't apply. You can boo and still be a homer. I turned away from the Knicks many games last yr. Didn't even watch the last month of games hardly not sure how many others did this but the fact 20,000 fans pay a pretty penny to pack the Garden when the team is going nowhere is an eye opener regardless if they boo them while they are there.
First and foremost for the past 5-6 yrs every major Free Agent or rumored Big Name player was supposedly going to wearing Orange and Blue, that's if you talked to a Knick Fan. Then with the same thread being sewn when it came down to what we thought the probabilities were compared to other teams, no other team had better packages to offer to acquire these players. Oh how we forget the days when Kobe was coming to New York... you could log on to this site(I know this site doesn't reflect all of New York but it's a good gauge) and see several trade proposals not involving Lee, picks, or any other young player but instead you saw "This should get it done Curry/Crawford/Jeffries for Kobe" followed up with "Throw in Lee/Balkman if they want to get rid of Bynum"
Second what about David Lee this summer. He's worth a Top 5 pick supposedly but many say "If we do decide to sign him to a contract extension 5yrs/$35mil should get it done."
When we got Zach Randolph and the season projections were taking place, Many fans had us ranked in the 4rth and 5th spots and advancing to the Semi Rounds in the playoffs.
During the off season Fans thought Stern was going to rig the Lottery so we'd get the number one pick because it would be good for basketball.
The fact that most feel players want to play here because of the Knicks vs playing here because the checkbook is here. Matter of fact name a Big Name player that has come here via FA S&T or MLE that many teams wanted to sign over the past 10yrs? Jerome, Effries, Duhon, Crawford, Curry, seriously we shouldn't be counting them. No one really wanted to sign these guys and they came here for one reason only. Yet fans keep saying players want to play here. Do they really or do they want to get paid here... Big Difference.
2yrs ago you had fans saying Curry>>>>>>>>>>Dwight Howard.
I could go on and list some many other homeristic examples.
