Cap Might Go Down?

[GuyverADL]

If you think Lebron is coming too NY to play with Chandler, Lee, Robinson, Duhon and Gallo then this board is truly delusional about 2010.

Cleveland has the advantage of not needing 2010 cap space. They can trade for any player they like and still re-sign Lebron.

[aq_ua]

If you think Lebron is coming too NY to play with Chandler, Lee, Robinson, Duhon and Gallo then this board is truly delusional about 2010.

Cleveland has the advantage of not needing 2010 cap space. They can trade for any player they like and still re-sign Lebron.

O...k...what does that have to do with this thread...?

[GuyverADL]

If you think Lebron is coming too NY to play with Chandler, Lee, Robinson, Duhon and Gallo then this board is truly delusional about 2010.

Cleveland has the advantage of not needing 2010 cap space. They can trade for any player they like and still re-sign Lebron.

O...k...what does that have to do with this thread...?

Cap goes down....
Less money to put players around Lebron to win Championship.....
Our players cap holds are constant regardless of the cap..........
Lebron wants to win a championship........
Lebron cannot win a championship without a balanced supporting cast........

[aq_ua]

If you think Lebron is coming too NY to play with Chandler, Lee, Robinson, Duhon and Gallo then this board is truly delusional about 2010.

Cleveland has the advantage of not needing 2010 cap space. They can trade for any player they like and still re-sign Lebron.

O...k...what does that have to do with this thread...?

Cap goes down....
Less money to put players around Lebron to win Championship.....
Our players cap holds are constant regardless of the cap..........
Lebron wants to win a championship........
Lebron cannot win a championship without a balanced supporting cast........

Cap goes down...player salaries go down...our players are on ending contracts...LeBron wants to win a championship...LeBron is faced with the same decision regardless of cap size...I mean, if you're going to try to argue, could you at least counter the opposing view with something?

[GuyverADL]

Cap goes down...player salaries go down...our players are on ending contracts...LeBron wants to win a championship...LeBron is faced with the same decision regardless of cap size...I mean, if you're going to try to argue, could you at least counter the opposing view with something?

Says who. Top tier players are going to get paid accordingly. You think guy wont go to smaller teams for 2-3 million dollar more a year. Lower cap might actually help spread talent throughout the league. We may not see 3 stars on one team just because of the tax ramifications.

Our players ending contracts have cap holds based on their current salary in 2010. We'd still have to resign them or renounce them.

[aq_ua]

Cap goes down...player salaries go down...our players are on ending contracts...LeBron wants to win a championship...LeBron is faced with the same decision regardless of cap size...I mean, if you're going to try to argue, could you at least counter the opposing view with something?

Says who. Top tier players are going to get paid accordingly. You think guy wont go to smaller teams for 2-3 million dollar more a year. Lower cap might actually help spread talent throughout the league. We may not see 3 stars on one team just because of the tax ramifications.
Our players ending contracts have cap holds based on their current salary in 2010. We'd still have to resign them or renounce them.

Simple math, my friend. If the total pool of money available (salary cap x number of teams) is reduced while the total number of players remains the same, then the salary available per player MUST decrease. Otherwise, more teams would be forced to go OVER the cap and hence expose themselves to further luxury tax implications (see my first post).
You're more or less making that point for me in the bolded statement above.
To your last point, yes, we would have to either resign or renounce our free agents. That doesn't make us any different from any other team in the NBA, INCLUDING the Cavs, who'll be looking for ways to replace essentially their entire front line of Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Ben Wallace, and Anderson Varejo in the SAME cap environment. This is why I am arguing that cap size has NO specific implication for us, any more than it does for every other team in the NBA.

[towelie]

I spent a good night reading up on Larry Coon's FAQ awhile back, and here's what I remember, to clear up a few misconceptions:

1) The salary cap is a percentage of LEAGUE REVENUE. This can come from ticket sales, jersey sales, sponsorships, promotions, etc. If the economy sinks and teams are making less money, it's entirely conceivable that the salary cap goes down.

2) The max starting salary is a percentage of the salary cap, based on the # of years the player has been in the league. This is likely the #1 reason LeBron, Wade, Bosh, etc. signed only 4 year deals. Because it just so happens that the magic # of years a player has to play for a higher max contract is...7. For a 7 year veteran, a player can sign a max contract of up to 30% of the salary cap. I don't know why hardly any journalist picked up on this, but there it is.

3) If the cap remains the same or increases at the same rate it's been increasing, 30% of the salary cap is roughly an $18M max salary for LeBron.

4) However, here's the part where a lower salary cap may hurt us. If the cap lowers too much, that means the max salary LeBron can get will also decrease. HOWEVER, this does not affect any extensions he may receive. Extensions are simply 10.5% raises from your previous salary. This is how gargantuan "legacy" contracts like Shaq's can exist, because he simply reups his current contract instead of signing a new one.

5) Currently, Cleveland can only offer an extension starting at roughly $17M. Which is why LeBron would get more money signing a new contract, whether it be with Cleveland or us or whoever. But if the cap lowers substantially, to the point where the max salary LeBron is entitled to dips below $17M, an extension would look more lucrative.

[RutgersBJJ]

If you think Lebron is coming too NY to play with Chandler, Lee, Robinson, Duhon and Gallo then this board is truly delusional about 2010.

Cleveland has the advantage of not needing 2010 cap space. They can trade for any player they like and still re-sign Lebron.

and the Cavs currently have nothing in place for 2010. In 2010 Ben Wallace will be 36, Big Z will be 35, both will be FA. Lebron will be looking at returning to a Cleveland team that no longer has two of the biggest reasons they are successful outside of him that also has long term salary commitment to marginal players like Mo Williams, Delonte West, and Daniel Gibson. Or he could come to a team in NY, that actually has young talent like Gallo, Lee, and Chandler.

This is Cleveland's last year to win a championship, and in 2010 the only way they are keeping Lebron is if they sign Joe Johnson, Chris Bosh, Amare, etc... Lebron has already stated that the money is not why he would choose a market, he is going to pick where he plays determined on his best shot to win a championship. We have better young talent than Cleveland, it is going to come down to whether or not we can secure another player to come in with Lebron. That is how Cleveland will keep him, and that is how we will get him to come to NY. Whichever team gets him his Scottie Pippen first, will get him.