Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 5.0

[RichCollab]

We need to add a play maker. Monk/Tyus

[pepe1991]

Yea... i'm willing to bet my own money that Klay won't accept offers that start as low as $26M to go on small market teams. Might as well just resign with Warriors and retire with Curry in 2-3 yeras.

[Skybox]

Probably…that would indicate no more than one serious move…could still be effective, just hoping for more. I could see a contender snagging a discounted Harris if he’s looking at a deeper bench role in ORL. Ingles is nice to have but not for the money…hopefully, we put it to more impactful use, but if we don’t…welcome back mate.

That would still give us around $26m to offer to Klay. Klay, Ingles, and Gary would be good vets for the young players.

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Other than potential bigger trade gets (like Murray) and if we're not giving up assets:

...I'd be excited about Monk for $20-22m per and Tyus for $17m-18m. I don't know if Tyus would consider the third guard role, but he could still get substantial minutes with both Suggs and Monk. Descending deals always preferred if we can afford it. This would also take Cole out of the rotation - it would be interesting to see what he could bring back...maybe some frontcourt depth or even just a pick and expiring salary? IF Monk were moved for only a pick, we could keep Ingles, but I'd prefer to get a younger prospect with that slot.

Let's say we sign Monk AND Tyus Jones for a nasty, versatile guard rotation with AB and Jett, hopefully, advancing and also picking up minutes at the 3...

We'd have to move Cole. Who might value an occasionally explosive scorer off the bench that's under team control at around 13 x 3 years?

MIN SnT for Kyle Anderson (taking a pay cut as he ages)?
WAS for Kispert? will he be expecting more $$? I like this and I don't think he gets more than Cole's $13m next summer
SAC for Trey Lyles (Cole replaces Monk in 6th man role)?
SAS for a lesser first or even 2 srps (into cap space)?

WCJ, Mo, Ware (#18?)
Paolo, Isaac
Franz, Kyle Anderson, Houstan
Suggs, AB, Jett
Monk, Tyus

*lots of positional versatility. multiple guys that can move around up to 3 positions. We've moved NO frps and we have ability to keep the team together with extensions, descending deals, etc.

[Skybox]

Yea... i'm willing to bet my own money that Klay won't accept offers that start as low as $26M to go on small market teams. Might as well just resign with Warriors and retire with Curry in 2-3 yeras.

This is what WILL happen...he doesn't want to leave and they don't want him to leave...he'll reflect on his season and his career and, above all, his heart, and take what is a fair market value deal to stay in GSW to the joy of the fans and his teammates and himself. They offered him $25 already...they'll bump it just a bit for "face". They're in cap hell regardless and he's still most effective in their offense - even if he's not at his peak.

It's ridiculous to think he'll leave for less than $30m...that would have to be pure "I told you so" spite - which doesn't sound like him. He'd have to leave his heart in San Francisco.

[basketballRob]

We need to add a play maker. Monk/Tyus

I think Black could give Gary and Cole competition for minutes. I doubt Jett gets many minutes next year.

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[BCS]

Yea... i'm willing to bet my own money that Klay won't accept offers that start as low as $26M to go on small market teams. Might as well just resign with Warriors and retire with Curry in 2-3 yeras.

This is what WILL happen...he doesn't want to leave and they don't want him to leave...he'll reflect on his season and his career and, above all, his heart, and take what is a fair market value deal to stay in GSW to the joy of the fans and his teammates and himself. They offered him $25 already...they'll bump it just a bit for "face". They're in cap hell regardless and he's still most effective in their offense - even if he's not at his peak.

It's ridiculous to think he'll leave for less than $30m...that would have to be pure "I told you so" spite - which doesn't sound like him. He'd have to leave his heart in San Francisco.

The only reason we'd sign Klay should be if we are just saving our cap space for next year, which I am not too much of a fan of. So this year, you offer Klay a one year max, which probably amounts close to the 2 year deal the Warriors offered.

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[basketballRob]

Yea... i'm willing to bet my own money that Klay won't accept offers that start as low as $26M to go on small market teams. Might as well just resign with Warriors and retire with Curry in 2-3 yeras.

This is what WILL happen...he doesn't want to leave and they don't want him to leave...he'll reflect on his season and his career and, above all, his heart, and take what is a fair market value deal to stay in GSW to the joy of the fans and his teammates and himself. They offered him $25 already...they'll bump it just a bit for "face". They're in cap hell regardless and he's still most effective in their offense - even if he's not at his peak.

It's ridiculous to think he'll leave for less than $30m...that would have to be pure "I told you so" spite - which doesn't sound like him. He'd have to leave his heart in San Francisco.

They reportedly rescinded the 2-yr $48m offer the made, so that's no longer on the table.




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[basketballRob]

Klay is still one of the best shooters and, in theory, could give us what DiVicenzo is giving the Knicks now.

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[Skybox]

Klay is still one of the best shooters and, in theory, could give us what DiVicenzo is giving the Knicks now.

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What does Divincenzo make? This is ludicrous- why sign up to host a one year sideshow for a rental? Why would he? The money is a matter of respect but he’s not going to bounce around on one year deals.

[Skybox]

Klay is still one of the best shooters and, in theory, could give us what DiVicenzo is giving the Knicks now.

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Divincenzo handles the ball and plays defense. Klay is, admittedly, one of the greatest shooters of all time. Klay will not leave GSW unless he's getting literally 3x Donte's 11m.

Sometimes I wonder if you're just trolling with these comparisons

[Skybox]

Knightro mentioned somewhere that it's clear that Paul George won't accept less than a max (and shouldn't-he's about as complete as anyone)...at his age, isn't that over $50m per?

- We should all understand that would certainly mean not only letting all of our FA's go, it might also require waiving Isaac and Mo Wagner. Correct me if any of you capologists see a way...His max might be closer to $60m per

-He might ask for a one year deal with player options for more...I just don't think we can agree to that.

To me, it would all depend on his enthusiasm and understanding of what ORL expects and what he sees as his role and the team's ceiling. If it's not truly contending for a ring - then why? I don't doubt the player...he's a fierce defender, big, still very athletic, shoots high-volume over 40%. He's just one of the elite players and I have no doubt that he could play whatever position he wants to, even our preferred "Kind of a PG, who also plays D and shoots 3's, and doesn't eliminate Franz & Paolo from the offense".

Lots to consider...I'd still lean towards believing that his agent is just generating leverage to get the max from LAC. Ballmer won't allow anyone to take his stud over money, imo...even if it's not in the long-term interest of his team. Honestly, I'd let Kawhi go first...he's never available and it's not just preventative rest anymore - he's missing playoff games. I believe Kawhi already got his max, so that's done.

[meatwad4343]

Getting pg or klay is going to take a massive overpayment of money and years. No to both. Neither of those guys is taking less to come to a small market team. It'd purely be to cash out one more time. If we get PG it's going to mean we signed him to a 4 year max deal. No thanks.

[basketballRob]

Probably…that would indicate no more than one serious move…could still be effective, just hoping for more. I could see a contender snagging a discounted Harris if he’s looking at a deeper bench role in ORL. Ingles is nice to have but not for the money…hopefully, we put it to more impactful use, but if we don’t…welcome back mate.

That would still give us around $26m to offer to Klay. Klay, Ingles, and Gary would be good vets for the young players.

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Not entirely sure how you expect Black or Jett to play if the Magic bring on Klay *and* retain Gary and Ingles.

We could bring back Goga instead of Gary.

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[eyriq]

I have a lot of questions about next season.

What is the overall goal for Orlando?
Which stars make the leap to superstardom?
Do any superstars come East?
Which rising stars make the leap to stardom?
Do Atlanta & Chicago, treadmill teams with stars but no superstars, re-tool or rebuild?
How long will it take Toronto to rebuild around Barnes?
Do any rising stars on Detroit and Charlotte take the leap to stardom?
Does Brooklyn have any stars at all?


I suspect that the goal is to remain competitive for the 4th seed.

Of the Eastern conference superstars, Giannis and Embiid are already home. Their teams will look to re-tool, though continuity for Milwaukee is probably what is needed.

The Cavs, Knicks, and Pacers will also likely re-tool with the goal to stabilize around their stars, Mitchell, Brunson, and Halliburton.

I think it's reasonable to expect the East to be much more competitive next season.

That said, I still don't think we're in a rush. I think the vision should be to be in contention by the 2027 playoffs.

[eyriq]

I looked at player similarities based on per 100 possession stats from B-R. For Anthony Black, 32 year old Bruce Bowen and 31 year old Andre Iguodala come up. Iggy was the most complete player but AB's potential is clear as day given his scoring capabilities and age.

Player Statistics Summary:

Anthony Black (2024):

• PTS: 13.4
• TRB: 5.9
• AST: 3.9
• FG%: 46.6%
• 3P%: 39.4%
• FT%: 61.3%
• FG: 4.9
• FGA: 10.5
• 3P: 1.6
• 3PA: 4.0
• 2P: 3.3
• 2PA: 6.5
• FT: 2.1
• FTA: 3.4
• ORB: 1.4
• DRB: 4.5
• STL: 1.5
• BLK: 0.9
• TOV: 2.4
• PF: 4.7

Bruce Bowen (2004):

• PTS: 11.6
• TRB: 5.2
• AST: 2.3
• FG%: 42.0%
• 3P%: 36.3%
• FT%: 57.9%
• FG: 4.3
• FGA: 10.3
• 3P: 1.6
• 3PA: 4.3
• 2P: 2.7
• 2PA: 5.9
• FT: 1.4
• FTA: 2.3
• ORB: 0.9
• DRB: 4.3
• STL: 1.7
• BLK: 0.7
• TOV: 1.8
• PF: 3.4

Andre Iguodala (2015):

• PTS: 14.3
• TRB: 6.1
• AST: 5.4
• FG%: 46.6%
• 3P%: 34.9%
• FT%: 59.6%
• FG: 5.5
• FGA: 11.7
• 3P: 1.7
• 3PA: 5.0
• 2P: 3.7
• 2PA: 6.7
• FT: 1.6
• FTA: 2.7
• ORB: 1.0
• DRB: 5.0
• STL: 2.1
• BLK: 0.6
• TOV: 2.1
• PF: 2.4

[basketballRob]

If we let Gary go, we can offer Klay 2 yrs starting at $32m per year. We would also get a 3-year room exception starting at $8m per year that we could offer Goga.

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[eyriq]

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[RichCollab]

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[eyriq]

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Doesn’t make sense

I don't get it at all

[Knightro]

Ingram is very talented, but the fit there would be particularly interesting.

Magic embracing a huge lineup permanently?