So Umm, Still Think Stan Is A "Championship" Coach?

[WillyJakkz]

Iknow he was rockin' a Lakers hat in a picture but does anyone really know if Dwight Howard is truly going to leave the Magic?

I mean I understand the speculation, etc. but damn you guys actin' like it's a done deal and truth be told it could very well be a done deal IF we don't make some changes.

We have the pieces to do it but not sure if the FO has the balls to do it.

W/ who we do have we could be getting more outta this team.

[Cammo101]

Iknow he was rockin' a Lakers hat in a picture but does anyone really know if Dwight Howard is truly going to leave the Magic?

I mean I understand the speculation, etc. but damn you guys actin' like it's a done deal and truth be told it could very well be a done deal IF we don't make some changes.

We have the pieces to do it but not sure if the FO has the balls to do it.

W/ who we do have we could be getting more outta this team.

We just made 2 huge moves less than a month ago. We have to see how that plays out before resorting to your plan of making changes for the sake of change.

When Gabriel was the GM of the Magic, he was always making changes just for the sake of it and never let a plan actually run it's course. And he was an idiot that got fired.

[craig01]

I do not think he is. I think he is a very good coach but he lacks the X's and O's to be a championship coach. Jerry Sloan is a guy who could win a title with Orlando. I don't know if Stan is that guy. That being said, I don't know how many good coaches tehre are anymore. Doc Rivers was not a good coach, Stan is better then he is. It really all depends on who the players are, and how willing they are to buy in to an X's and O's system. Orlando either doesn't buy in to the system, or Stan can't run the system.

Or maybe the players aren't good enough?

That's the thing, it is always a combination of both. Stan isn't the coach to take this Magic team to a title, but guys like Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, I even think Sloan could. But I don't think Van Gundy can. They still look lost when teams single cover Dwight. These guys relax, and are purely 3 point shooters. And Orlando has wing players that are capable of so much more then that. MP was a prime example of that when he was with Orlando. He could have been great, but was content bombing 3's, after awhile taht was all he knew how to do. It's Stans job to get more out of them, he doesn't do it. In two years Dwights gonna be in LA, or some market similar, so lets enjoy this good team while we have it to enjoy.

A guy like Doc Rivers won a title in Boston, but when he was in Orlando he wasn't any better then Stan is now. I think Stan could win with teams like Boston, or even Miami, LA. I just don't know if he can do it in Orlando. I don't think there is anyone better Orlando could get, so I don't see the point in all the Van Gundy threads. I think people just need to realize for the Magic this is as good as it gets.

Riley won with the Lakers because he had several elite players.

Riley didn't win with the Knicks because he had just one elite player.

Riley won with the Heat because he had 2 elite players.

Jackson won with the Bulls because he had 2 elite players.

Jackson didn't win with the Bulls when he had just one elite player.

Jackson won with the Lakers because he had 2 elite players.

Sloan got close with 2 elite players.

Sloan has not come close with just one elite player.

SVG has one elite player.

For the record, I find some of SVG's efforts frustrating at times and some of his antics repressing.

But if anyone thinks that this team, at this stage, is of championship caliber with someone else at the helm is overrating the talent at hand. Unless Jason Richardson or Gilbert Arenas somehow find the fountain of youth, not much is going to change regardless of who stands in the coaches box.

Give it some time and maybe a miracle of restoration unfolds with the 2 wings.....

[WillyJakkz]

Iknow he was rockin' a Lakers hat in a picture but does anyone really know if Dwight Howard is truly going to leave the Magic?

I mean I understand the speculation, etc. but damn you guys actin' like it's a done deal and truth be told it could very well be a done deal IF we don't make some changes.

We have the pieces to do it but not sure if the FO has the balls to do it.

W/ who we do have we could be getting more outta this team.

We just made 2 huge moves less than a month ago. We have to see how that plays out before resorting to your plan of making changes for the sake of change.

When Gabriel was the GM of the Magic, he was always making changes just for the sake of it and never let a plan actually run it's course. And he was an idiot that got fired.

My man, you are one of the worst posters ever (specifically when you "step off the porch"/ non Magic forums) and I haven't even been on this site for very long and I see this.

Call Gabriel what you want but he ALWAYS had this team in position to make a HUGE play for a HUGE FA, something that Otis Smith can't grasp.

Gabe had this team setup to succeed, just like Pat Williams did, and truth be told John "the hockey guy" Weisbrod did, too.

Otis has made mistakes and he's trying his best to correct 'em so this is the hand we have to play.

We've still got cards, it's all about playing 'em and until then it's all about using the cards we do have effectively.

I think the only thing you and I ever have agreed on was how good Gortat is.

Other than that, your theories suck.

[MitchellUK]

Iknow he was rockin' a Lakers hat in a picture but does anyone really know if Dwight Howard is truly going to leave the Magic?

I mean I understand the speculation, etc. but damn you guys actin' like it's a done deal and truth be told it could very well be a done deal IF we don't make some changes.

We have the pieces to do it but not sure if the FO has the balls to do it.

W/ who we do have we could be getting more outta this team.

We just made 2 huge moves less than a month ago. We have to see how that plays out before resorting to your plan of making changes for the sake of change.

When Gabriel was the GM of the Magic, he was always making changes just for the sake of it and never let a plan actually run it's course. And he was an idiot that got fired.

My man, you are one of the worst posters ever (specifically when you "step off the porch"/ non Magic forums) and I haven't even been on this site for very long and I see this.

Call Gabriel what you want but he ALWAYS had this team in position to make a HUGE play for a HUGE FA, something that Otis Smith can't grasp.

Gabe had this team setup to succeed, just like Pat Williams did, and truth be told John "the hockey guy" Weisbrod did, too.

Otis has made mistakes and he's trying his best to correct 'em so this is the hand we have to play.

We've still got cards, it's all about playing 'em and until then it's all about using the cards we do have effectively.

I think the only thing you and I ever have agreed on was how good Gortat is.

Other than that, your theories suck.

Gabriel "ALWAYS" had us in position to make a run at a big FA? You mean that one time in 2000, after which we were capped out for the final three years of his tenure?

He and Weisbrod had the team "set up to succeed". When!? When? Between 1999-2000 and 2004-2005, Gabriel and Weisbrod's combined tenure, we were 227-265. Our best record in that time was 43-39, and we never got beyond the first round of the playoffs. We were really set up to succeed.

Seriously, you're just making things up.

[Cammo101]

We just made 2 huge moves less than a month ago. We have to see how that plays out before resorting to your plan of making changes for the sake of change.

When Gabriel was the GM of the Magic, he was always making changes just for the sake of it and never let a plan actually run it's course. And he was an idiot that got fired.

My man, you are one of the worst posters ever (specifically when you "step off the porch"/ non Magic forums) and I haven't even been on this site for very long and I see this.

Call Gabriel what you want but he ALWAYS had this team in position to make a HUGE play for a HUGE FA, something that Otis Smith can't grasp.

Gabe had this team setup to succeed, just like Pat Williams did, and truth be told John "the hockey guy" Weisbrod did, too.

Otis has made mistakes and he's trying his best to correct 'em so this is the hand we have to play.

We've still got cards, it's all about playing 'em and until then it's all about using the cards we do have effectively.

I think the only thing you and I ever have agreed on was how good Gortat is.

Other than that, your theories suck.

Gabriel "ALWAYS" had us in position to make a run at a big FA? You mean that one time in 2000, after which we were capped out for the final three years of his tenure?

He and Weisbrod had the team "set up to succeed". When!? When? Between 1999-2000 and 2004-2005, Gabriel and Weisbrod's combined tenure, we were 227-265. Our best record in that time was 43-39, and we never got beyond the first round of the playoffs. We were really set up to succeed.

Seriously, you're just making things up.

You pretty much made my reply before I could.

I'm not sure if him calling me a horrible poster should make me angry or relieved.

[WillyJakkz]

Oh you mean by having the Magic setup to sign Tim Duncan, Grant Hill, and Tracy McGrady?

Or do you mean by having Tim Duncan stay in San Antonio so we successfully sign Grant Hill and Tracy McGrady and also draft ROY Mike Miller?

Or do you mean Grant Hill being injured for most of his time here as me "seriously making things up"?

Tryin to figure it out cause if you don't think that's being setup to succeed but a guy choosing to stay w/ his team, a guy who became a SUPERSTAR, and a SUPERSTAR on the verge of MEGASTARdom but just not being able to get over an injury as being unsuccessful then you're wrong.

The execution of the plan was flawless.

You herbs trying to point out the fact that we were "capped out" is ridiculous.

Of course you're capped out when you sign 2 guys who 1 was worth every penny and the other was projected to be worth MORE than the contract he was signed to but injury ruined that.

But let you tell it and being capped out because of Rashard Lewis isn't a mistake and a better job than Gabe...and speaking of which who do you think was the guy who made it possible to have the cap room to sign Lewis?

Weisbrod and I'm sure he wouldn't have maxxed that dude out like Otis.

Stan needs to use his players better.

[maginno]

My man, you are one of the worst posters ever (specifically when you "step off the porch"/ non Magic forums) and I haven't even been on this site for very long and I see this.

The good thing about not knowing anything is that the lack of knowledge includes not knowing that you don't . I officially petition we abridge your username by adding "don't know" in the middle and dropping the z

You are in no position to critique Cammo. You are the guy that just put a question mark on JJ 's main offensive skill being the jump shot.

Really???????

Still cracks me up.

[WillyJakkz]

P.S.:

Still doesn't change the fact that posters outside the Magic forum think you suck and you get zero respect Cammo.

You're the Rodney Dangerfield of RealGM except you don't make us laugh.

[MagicFan32]

Man some of you are very unreasonable....
Stan has been dealt a difficult hand, he had most of his rotation uprooted during the middle of the season and is still figuring out how to use his new and old players together.

Our biggest issues are on DEFENSE and that comes with TIME. Let's bring back Brian Hill, then let's hear you tools whine.

If you fire stan WHO do you hire? most of you morons never have a good answer for that.

[maginno]

Call Gabriel what you want but he ALWAYS had this team in position to make a HUGE play for a HUGE FA, something that Otis Smith can't grasp.

Gabe had this team setup to succeed, just like Pat Williams did, and truth be told John "the hockey guy" Weisbrod did, too.

Actually you finally make a little sense on that but I don't think that any Gm really had this team setup beyond drafting Dwight. You are however right that nothing much has been done recently but then that takes away from your Stan nonsense because it opens the door wide to see that he isn't exactly working with the best built team. Thats when you put on the blinders and crash into a big wall and come out babbling incoherently..

[MagicFan32]

I have to LOL at willyjakk, Otis is one of the few GM's that realizes he had to make his moves now because the new CBA will make it damn near impossible to either have cap room, or sign superstars. get real man. There was no way to position us for the 2010 summer and be a title contender, the new CBA is going to change the league the players are going to have far less pull

[maginno]

If you fire stan WHO do you hire? most of you morons never have a good answer for that.

Its been asked and dodged several times. Finally they tried to float some weak nonsense about some young coach who remains unnamed. oh and they think Larry brown who has had melt down on two teams is the coach to definitely get a ring.

Following their logic He will be able to make JJ into a slasher rather than a jump shooter.

That and a pile of other assorted fantasies. Apparently there is a sale on weed this weekend. Every six pack comes with a free loaded bong.

[NickAnderson]

I agree with Willy about firing Stan but not about Otis. Otis is a pretty good GM but he is pretty terrible when giving out contracts. He has done pretty good by stacking this team while being over the cap.

[WillyJakkz]

Call Gabriel what you want but he ALWAYS had this team in position to make a HUGE play for a HUGE FA, something that Otis Smith can't grasp.

Gabe had this team setup to succeed, just like Pat Williams did, and truth be told John "the hockey guy" Weisbrod did, too.

Actually you finally make a little sense on that but I don't think that any Gm really had this team setup beyond drafting Dwight. You are however right that nothing much has been done recently but then that takes away from your Stan nonsense because it opens the door wide to see that he isn't exactly working with the best built team. Thats when you put on the blinders and crash into a big wall and come out babbling incoherently..

I don't need someone w/ bad credit to co-sign my posts, it devalues them.

Anyway,

If Stan doesn't change how he coaches, he won't be the type of coach to win a title.

Plain and simple.

[NickAnderson]

Last year we could have gotten Byron Scott or Avery Johnson but now there isn't crap out there though.

[Cammo101]

P.S.:

Still doesn't change the fact that posters outside the Magic forum think you suck and you get zero respect Cammo.

You're the Rodney Dangerfield of RealGM except you don't make us laugh.

I have been offered to become a mod on 2 different forums on this site. Neither of which is the Magic board. I get constant PM's and invites from mods and random posters a like. My mock drafts are always the most views...Clearly some people respect and care about what I post.

Not that it really matters to me whether random people respect my posts. I say what I think, and if it pisses off Blazer fans, or Celtics fans, or people who think JJ Redick is a slasher. Then so be it. It won't be costing me any sleep.

I'll just keep doing what I do and leave the laughable threads to you. If this thread is any indication, then you have the market cornered on comedy.

[magicman123]

what do you guys think we end up doing with jrich?

[maginno]

I don't need someone w/ bad credit to co-sign my posts, it devalues them.

and you think that me saying your post had " a little sense" was a compliment or cosigning of your post?

I did tell you to keep them coming.

[Cammo101]

Has anyone noticed the more OP talks, the more lopsided the poll gets against him.

Doesn't look like anyone on his middle school debate team need to worry about losing their spot in the starting lineup.