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Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition)

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1171 » by MagicFan32 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:31 am

rcklsscognition wrote:For the most part, the summer league is full of scrubs.

You understand that most summer league teams are comprised of guys who were really good college players correct? guys who were top 3-5 players on their teams. summer league is easily a step up in competition.

When did I say playing him playing point in the summer league was bad thing? "this is great experience for a SG to get..." as I said. I have also clarified daily that if nothing else, oladipo at the PG is a great learning experience even if he ends up a SG.

Our rooks were coddled, brought along slowly and not put in situations they weren't ready for. You said the same thing, benched in favor of veterans, taken out of harms way, coddled. Go back and read the quotes from henny, Martins, and Vaughn all year long. "Bring them along slowly, put them in situations to succeed, help them build confidence." and so forth. Harkless was benches one time in 2013 fro not bringing effort, but the company line has been slowly ,surely, pit them in a position to succeed.

Maybe the Front office thinks Oladipo is ready to handle more than those players were? afterall he was picked no.2 whereas the others were picked much later.

Why has the front office and coach taken such a 180 when it comes to rookie development with Oladipo? Makes me wonder if Henny's truly planning on making this kid a PG. I think he's going to.

maybe because they believe he's more able to contribute right away, whereas the others needed alot more coaching and development, plus last years team started off more veteran laden. Now McRoberts/Ayon/Hedo are out of the way, and Harrington, and possibly Afflalo are soon to follow
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1172 » by SOUL » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:47 am

how were our rookies coddled exactly? most of them immediately got playing time, out of position playing time i might add (harkless sg, tobias pf and a few games even c) - they can preach all they want but our rookies were anything but coddled. if you mean by they started in their natural positions, thats a fair point - but they still switched halfway through their rookie seasons as 19 and 20 year olds. i agree oladipo wont start as a pg, but i dont think the franchise is making a big deal out of the pg/oladipo thing other than getting him valuable experience in summer league.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1173 » by shadrock » Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:38 am

DiplomaticMagic wrote:No way it was Arroyo, Arroyo was wayyy back. It was either Duhon or Anthony Johnson.


Man i miss Otter Johnson, poor guy had no neck...
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1174 » by Neon1 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:10 am

shadrock wrote:Man i miss Otter Johnson, poor guy had no neck...


But neither does......
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1175 » by shadrock » Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:16 am

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shadrock wrote:Man i miss Otter Johnson, poor guy had no neck...


But neither does......
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1176 » by OrlandO » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:21 pm

SOUL wrote:how were our rookies coddled exactly? most of them immediately got playing time, out of position playing time i might add (harkless sg, tobias pf and a few games even c) - they can preach all they want but our rookies were anything but coddled. if you mean by they started in their natural positions, thats a fair point - but they still switched halfway through their rookie seasons as 19 and 20 year olds. i agree oladipo wont start as a pg, but i dont think the franchise is making a big deal out of the pg/oladipo thing other than getting him valuable experience in summer league.

I wouldn't say coddled, but Harkless went from being a 15 minutes per game bench guy for the first few months to a 35 minutes starter. Even when they started him early on, they did it just to get him used to opening the game and took him out a few minutes later. They also didn't start talking about playing him at both sf and sg until later on. Vucevic was thrown into the fire by default, but there were a handful of games in that first month where they limited his minutes to 15 if he wasn't performing.

Anyway, I think it's premature to say Oladipo is being throw into the fire or anything. It's summer league. When the season starts, he may be brought off the bench just like Harkless was his rookie year. He may start, but at SG. Who knows, this is just SL... the season is still a few months away. This is good experience for him to have the ball constantly in his hands against rookies and minor league type players.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1177 » by Def Swami » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:53 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:Its not been 3 games it's been 3 years. He played against as good or better players in college than he is now.

I'm not sure that's true.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1178 » by Neon1 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:54 pm

OrlandO wrote:Anyway, I think it's premature to say Oladipo is being throw into the fire or anything. It's summer league. When the season starts, he may be brought off the bench just like Harkless was his rookie year. He may start, but at SG. Who knows, this is just SL... the season is still a few months away. This is good experience for him to have the ball constantly in his hands against rookies and minor league type players.


Harkless only got 17mpg during the first half because he was literally playing like one of the worst players in basketball. It wasn't "bringing him along slowly" he was just that terrible.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1179 » by Def Swami » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:03 pm

Didn't see posted anywhere.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1180 » by magicman112 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:05 pm

Def Swami wrote:Didn't see posted anywhere.
Josh Robbins ‏@JoshuaBRobbins 14h
The #Orlando #Magic have picked Bill Burgos, strength coach of the #Knicks, to be their new strength and conditioning coach.


What happened to the guy we had? He was doing a hell of a job based on how the guys in summer league look. Probably got a better job offer...
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1181 » by Blue_and_Whte » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:06 pm

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Def Swami wrote:Didn't see posted anywhere.
Josh Robbins ‏@JoshuaBRobbins 14h
The #Orlando #Magic have picked Bill Burgos, strength coach of the #Knicks, to be their new strength and conditioning coach.


What happened to the guy we had? He was doing a hell of a job based on how the guys in summer league look. Probably got a better job offer...

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1182 » by MagicStarwipe » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:26 pm

http://nbsca.net/bill-burgos/

Prior to the Knicks, Burgos completed a two-year stint with the Orlando Magic as their Strength & Conditioning Coordinator working alongside current Magic head strength coach and Pro Hoop Strength member Joe Rogowski.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1183 » by Furinkazan » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:28 pm

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OrlandO wrote:Anyway, I think it's premature to say Oladipo is being throw into the fire or anything. It's summer league. When the season starts, he may be brought off the bench just like Harkless was his rookie year. He may start, but at SG. Who knows, this is just SL... the season is still a few months away. This is good experience for him to have the ball constantly in his hands against rookies and minor league type players.


Harkless only got 17mpg during the first half because he was literally playing like one of the worst players in basketball. It wasn't "bringing him along slowly" he was just that terrible.


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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1184 » by Def Swami » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:37 pm

MagicStarwipe wrote:http://nbsca.net/bill-burgos/

Prior to the Knicks, Burgos completed a two-year stint with the Orlando Magic as their Strength & Conditioning Coordinator working alongside current Magic head strength coach and Pro Hoop Strength member Joe Rogowski.

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1185 » by flying_mollusk » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:49 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:I am torn on Oladipo. I know it's only 3 games but I don't like him at PG. But, but, but....I am starting to see what he could do at the SG. His left hand is much better than anyone, even his supporters, thought it would be. He just doesn't have the court awareness and dribbling ability of a pure point guard, I feel like Moore is out there sometimes watching him. Not a bad thing, he's a SG, but it doesn't look natural and it's not something that guys can just acquire. He might be able to, but the opportunity for him is at SG. I like the experiment/practice being at the PG, but I just don't see it happening in the regular season. Nothing planned, he may bring the ball up, but I don't think he'll be running the actual point for more than a few minutes a night in the season.

He won't get a lot of calls as a rookie, but his desire to get to the hole is very good. I haven't checked, but I assume he's leading summer league in FT attempts. The thing that first stood out on my list for him was his ability to pass out of penetration for an easy assist. I see that transitioning very well to the NBA.

I'm interested to see what happens in the regular season with him, if he still goes to the rim as often, and how many minutes he gets. He could really benefit from an Afflalo trade. I don't think he needs any mentoring and minutes would be good.


You know, I actually kind of agree with you. I think they are doing this so that he can become a solid passer as a SG. If he is good, then when he drives, teams will throw double teams on him left and right. His ability to pass out to the open man, even as a SG, could be an invaluable skill. The biggest stat that hurts him is the number of turnovers. But if he isn’t the primary ball-handler, that might go down. Is this like the Durant at SG experiement in OKC Hhis rooke year?

Also, keep in mind that the PG position can be pretty overrated. I don’t think you need one of your best players to be a PG to win a title. If he can become a PG, then so be it. If not, then he can still be an awesome SG.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1186 » by OrlandO » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:03 pm

Neon1 wrote:
OrlandO wrote:Anyway, I think it's premature to say Oladipo is being throw into the fire or anything. It's summer league. When the season starts, he may be brought off the bench just like Harkless was his rookie year. He may start, but at SG. Who knows, this is just SL... the season is still a few months away. This is good experience for him to have the ball constantly in his hands against rookies and minor league type players.


Harkless only got 17mpg during the first half because he was literally playing like one of the worst players in basketball. It wasn't "bringing him along slowly" he was just that terrible.

He just looked lost early on, which was expected considering his age/experience and where he was drafted. They initially brought him off the bench and then soon after they transitioned him to starting but with bench minutes. Seemed pretty obvious to me they were grooming him to be a future big minutes starter.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1187 » by OrlandO » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:11 pm

The Philadelphia 76ers and New Orleans Pelicans agreed upon a Jrue Holiday trade a few days before the draft, but it was dependent on Nerlens Noel, Anthony Bennett or Victor Oladipo remaining available.

Clearly they wanted Noel (#6) over Mclemore (#7), but it's interesting the latter wasn't even on their list for the trade scenario.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1188 » by OrlandO » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:12 pm

MagicStarwipe wrote:http://nbsca.net/bill-burgos/

Prior to the Knicks, Burgos completed a two-year stint with the Orlando Magic as their Strength & Conditioning Coordinator working alongside current Magic head strength coach and Pro Hoop Strength member Joe Rogowski.

He was here from 2009-2011
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1189 » by Nyce_1 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:17 pm

OrlandO wrote:
MagicStarwipe wrote:http://nbsca.net/bill-burgos/

Prior to the Knicks, Burgos completed a two-year stint with the Orlando Magic as their Strength & Conditioning Coordinator working alongside current Magic head strength coach and Pro Hoop Strength member Joe Rogowski.

He was here from 2009-2011

I hope he's as good as Joe. All players, past & present, give major love to Joe and his workout regimens.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1190 » by Neon1 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:20 pm

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Neon1 wrote:
OrlandO wrote:Anyway, I think it's premature to say Oladipo is being throw into the fire or anything. It's summer league. When the season starts, he may be brought off the bench just like Harkless was his rookie year. He may start, but at SG. Who knows, this is just SL... the season is still a few months away. This is good experience for him to have the ball constantly in his hands against rookies and minor league type players.


Harkless only got 17mpg during the first half because he was literally playing like one of the worst players in basketball. It wasn't "bringing him along slowly" he was just that terrible.


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