eyriq wrote:Sweater vest points converted to win shares
Paolo Banchero: 11.46 wins
Franz Wagner: 8.89 wins
Jalen Suggs: 5.13 wins
Cole Anthony: 3.08 wins
Jonathan Isaac: 2.91 wins
Stop citing fan voting polls for anything
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eyriq wrote:Sweater vest points converted to win shares
Paolo Banchero: 11.46 wins
Franz Wagner: 8.89 wins
Jalen Suggs: 5.13 wins
Cole Anthony: 3.08 wins
Jonathan Isaac: 2.91 wins
Neva! Best advanced stat aroundKnightro wrote:eyriq wrote:Sweater vest points converted to win shares
Paolo Banchero: 11.46 wins
Franz Wagner: 8.89 wins
Jalen Suggs: 5.13 wins
Cole Anthony: 3.08 wins
Jonathan Isaac: 2.91 wins
Stop citing fan voting polls for anything
Also, we are literally debating the point from a fan about how much credit JI should get for our wins LMFAO. You really make some hilarious points lately.Knightro wrote:eyriq wrote:Sweater vest points converted to win shares
Paolo Banchero: 11.46 wins
Franz Wagner: 8.89 wins
Jalen Suggs: 5.13 wins
Cole Anthony: 3.08 wins
Jonathan Isaac: 2.91 wins
Stop citing fan voting polls for anything
eyriq wrote:Also, we are literally debating the point from a fan about how much credit JI should get for our wins LMFAO. You really make some hilarious points lately.Knightro wrote:eyriq wrote:Sweater vest points converted to win shares
Paolo Banchero: 11.46 wins
Franz Wagner: 8.89 wins
Jalen Suggs: 5.13 wins
Cole Anthony: 3.08 wins
Jonathan Isaac: 2.91 wins
Stop citing fan voting polls for anything
eyriq wrote:Also, we are literally debating the point from a fan about how much credit JI should get for our wins LMFAO. You really make some hilarious points lately.Knightro wrote:eyriq wrote:Sweater vest points converted to win shares
Paolo Banchero: 11.46 wins
Franz Wagner: 8.89 wins
Jalen Suggs: 5.13 wins
Cole Anthony: 3.08 wins
Jonathan Isaac: 2.91 wins
Stop citing fan voting polls for anything
Knightro wrote:eyriq wrote:Also, we are literally debating the point from a fan about how much credit JI should get for our wins LMFAO. You really make some hilarious points lately.Knightro wrote:
Stop citing fan voting polls for anything
Yeah we are... except we're using actual on-court performance metrics and not the opinions of 30 RealGM posters.
Have a couple more beers
LOLZ... well... I mean... Wisdom of the masses eventually won out!thelead wrote:eyriq wrote:Also, we are literally debating the point from a fan about how much credit JI should get for our wins LMFAO. You really make some hilarious points lately.Knightro wrote:
Stop citing fan voting polls for anything
Read this thread and tell me you want to side with what some fans think
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Knightro wrote:eyriq wrote:Also, we are literally debating the point from a fan about how much credit JI should get for our wins LMFAO. You really make some hilarious points lately.Knightro wrote:
Stop citing fan voting polls for anything
Yeah we are... except we're using actual on-court performance metrics and not the opinions of 30 RealGM posters.
Have a couple more beers
RookieStar wrote:Wow... only 30 posters knightro? I thought our population in this board was bigger than that
Knightro wrote:RookieStar wrote:Wow... only 30 posters knightro? I thought our population in this board was bigger than that
Only 27 votes in the last vest thread.
Drunk eyriq is mesmerized by your avatarSOUL wrote:I love drunk eyriq
pepe1991 wrote:Driving home conclusion, without taking lot of things in considiration would be dangerous and even dumb. Our record against teams over. 500 is telling. We built our record mostly by beating bad teams and being excellent at it.
Every year there is one team that leapfrogs in regular season, sucks itself into own hype ,and gets kicked in bu** next year. Don't be that team. Make hard decisions based on logic digging deep into weaknesses, not riding high horse thinking you arived.
pepe1991 wrote:By looking at Hawks 2020-21 and Grizzlies 2021-22 season i think some of us have healhy scepticism about overachiving in one year by lot of things working in our favor, that aren't really sustainable long term, and creating false sense that team emerged, by mostly just ignoring weaknesses.
Hawks had crappy defense , had 41-31 record, had whole bunch of lottery picks playing better ( than they turned to be) , with several role players being unusually healthy or in career years. For example , Cam Reddish shot 65% for 3 vs Bucks in ECF and Hunter had great sophmore season, Capela & Bogdan had career years. Capela was 6th in DPOY and looked like top 8-ish C. Bogdan was 2,5% FG below 50-40-90 split and looked like top 10 SG. Oh and Gallinari had unusually healthy year and was probably best streach PF off bench.
Next year, things reverted to normality, and they got trashed in playoffs by Heat in round 1.
Memphis Grizzlies in 2021-22 had 4th best defense and 5th best offense. Whole roster was overachiving and mostly made out of young, hungry players. They passed first round. Lost to Warriors. No big deal. Future is bright.
Next year they have even better defense ( 2# ) but offense starts to slip ( 15). They win less games, go to playoffs, get outclassed in first round by 7th seeded Lakers. Not that they lost, they got trashed in 3 out of 6 games.
Right now we have Suggs having career year, Isaac having first healthy year since 2019, Harris first healthy year in past 4-5 years, Ingles is being big part of our offense at age of 36, Mortiz Wagner is having career year. We have very little to no injuries but Fultz, who's abstence is addition by substraction.
On top of that we are only middle pack team that has been healthy whole year long. Cavs, Knicks, Raptors, Bulls, Pacers, Hawks, Heat, 76ers all deal with way bigger problems. Some of them don't have top 3 players aveliable for near 50+ games.
Driving home conclusion, without taking lot of things in considiration would be dangerous and even dumb. Our record against teams over. 500 is telling. We built our record mostly by beating bad teams and being excellent at it.
Every year there is one team that leapfrogs in regular season, sucks itself into own hype ,and gets kicked in bu** next year. Don't be that team. Make hard decisions based on logic digging deep into weaknesses, not riding high horse thinking you arived.
SOUL wrote:My real argument is, who is blinded by this and saying we shouldn't try to get better and not make any changes? I find very few people are still preaching continuity outside of maybe 5-7 players, while bringing in new guys or even willing to entertain trade talks. Feel like if anything, people are downplaying our team. We're a solid team that can give most teams a run for their money, but when it comes to scoring consistently against better defenses and not turning the ball over, we can get way better. If anything I feel like we have more of a clear blueprint to what can excel us next year while other teams are kind of like "What do we do?" if they lose in the first round - i.e. Cavs.
pepe1991 wrote:By looking at Hawks 2020-21 and Grizzlies 2021-22 season i think some of us have healhy scepticism about overachiving in one year by lot of things working in our favor, that aren't really sustainable long term, and creating false sense that team emerged, by mostly just ignoring weaknesses.
Hawks had crappy defense , had 41-31 record, had whole bunch of lottery picks playing better ( than they turned to be) , with several role players being unusually healthy or in career years. For example , Cam Reddish shot 65% for 3 vs Bucks in ECF and Hunter had great sophmore season, Capela & Bogdan had career years. Capela was 6th in DPOY and looked like top 8-ish C. Bogdan was 2,5% FG below 50-40-90 split and looked like top 10 SG. Oh and Gallinari had unusually healthy year and was probably best streach PF off bench.
Next year, things reverted to normality, and they got trashed in playoffs by Heat in round 1.
Memphis Grizzlies in 2021-22 had 4th best defense and 5th best offense. Whole roster was overachiving and mostly made out of young, hungry players. They passed first round. Lost to Warriors. No big deal. Future is bright.
Next year they have even better defense ( 2# ) but offense starts to slip ( 15). They win less games, go to playoffs, get outclassed in first round by 7th seeded Lakers. Not that they lost, they got trashed in 3 out of 6 games.
Right now we have Suggs having career year, Isaac having first healthy year since 2019, Harris first healthy year in past 4-5 years, Ingles is being big part of our offense at age of 36, Mortiz Wagner is having career year. We have very little to no injuries but Fultz, who's abstence is addition by substraction.
On top of that we are only middle pack team that has been healthy whole year long. Cavs, Knicks, Raptors, Bulls, Pacers, Hawks, Heat, 76ers all deal with way bigger problems. Some of them don't have top 3 players aveliable for near 50+ games.
Driving home conclusion, without taking lot of things in considiration would be dangerous and even dumb. Our record against teams over. 500 is telling. We built our record mostly by beating bad teams and being excellent at it.
Every year there is one team that leapfrogs in regular season, sucks itself into own hype ,and gets kicked in bu** next year. Don't be that team. Make hard decisions based on logic digging deep into weaknesses, not riding high horse thinking you arived.
Memphis is on a b2b, and JJJ and Bane are back. Plus, Memphis has 3 days' rest.drsd wrote:The Magic will start an 8-game home-stand. This will largely determine the season standing for seeding.
The ESPN Computers has win odds as:
Toronto .832
Charlotte .864
New Orleans .447
Sacramento .568
Golden State .567
LA Clippers .441
Memphis .743
Portland .773
That sums out to an expectation of a 5-3 record. I would think most here would see anything less than a 6-2 run as "a failure".
Let's see how focused the Magic can be in this key run of games.