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Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 5.0

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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 5.0 

Post#201 » by Skybox » Sat May 11, 2024 7:23 pm

eyriq wrote:I looked at player similarities based on per 100 possession stats from B-R. For Anthony Black, 32 year old Bruce Bowen and 31 year old Andre Iguodala come up. Iggy was the most complete player but AB's potential is clear as day given his scoring capabilities and age.

Player Statistics Summary:

Anthony Black (2024):
  • PTS: 13.4
  • TRB: 5.9
  • AST: 3.9
  • FG%: 46.6%
  • 3P%: 39.4%
  • FT%: 61.3%
  • FG: 4.9
  • FGA: 10.5
  • 3P: 1.6
  • 3PA: 4.0
  • 2P: 3.3
  • 2PA: 6.5
  • FT: 2.1
  • FTA: 3.4
  • ORB: 1.4
  • DRB: 4.5
  • STL: 1.5
  • BLK: 0.9
  • TOV: 2.4
  • PF: 4.7

Bruce Bowen (2004):
  • PTS: 11.6
  • TRB: 5.2
  • AST: 2.3
  • FG%: 42.0%
  • 3P%: 36.3%
  • FT%: 57.9%
  • FG: 4.3
  • FGA: 10.3
  • 3P: 1.6
  • 3PA: 4.3
  • 2P: 2.7
  • 2PA: 5.9
  • FT: 1.4
  • FTA: 2.3
  • ORB: 0.9
  • DRB: 4.3
  • STL: 1.7
  • BLK: 0.7
  • TOV: 1.8
  • PF: 3.4

Andre Iguodala (2015):
  • PTS: 14.3
  • TRB: 6.1
  • AST: 5.4
  • FG%: 46.6%
  • 3P%: 34.9%
  • FT%: 59.6%
  • FG: 5.5
  • FGA: 11.7
  • 3P: 1.7
  • 3PA: 5.0
  • 2P: 3.7
  • 2PA: 6.7
  • FT: 1.6
  • FTA: 2.7
  • ORB: 1.0
  • DRB: 5.0
  • STL: 2.1
  • BLK: 0.6
  • TOV: 2.1
  • PF: 2.4


C'mon man...we're all intrigued by AB and what he might be, but "Per 100 Possessions"...has he played over 100 possessions in his NBA career. I hate to sound like I don't like our players, but there are things that projections can't account for...small sample size being the biggest. I'm really expecting a LOT from AB over his career - but we've seen nothing to steer it too far in any direction

...having said that, Igoudala might be a fantastic role model - but he came into the NBA with "Star" on his name...just arrived on a team with the "other" AI, that kind of moved him right into the Pippen role...solid swiss army knife 2-way player who contributed in different ways, as needed, throughout a long career.
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 5.0 

Post#202 » by Skybox » Sat May 11, 2024 7:26 pm

Knightro wrote:Ingram is very talented, but the fit there would be particularly interesting.

Magic embracing a huge lineup permanently?


weird fit ...isn't he due for a BIG payday too? (or UFA)

That's bizarre...almost to the point of 'must be a typo' bizarre
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 5.0 

Post#203 » by eyriq » Sat May 11, 2024 7:28 pm

Skybox wrote:has he played over 100 possessions in his NBA career.


Is this a serious question? LMAO

Anyway, the methodology is fine in context. Denver prioritized Jokic due to the similarity of his per 36 numbers with Larry Bird.
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Post#204 » by Knightro » Sat May 11, 2024 7:31 pm

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Knightro wrote:Ingram is very talented, but the fit there would be particularly interesting.

Magic embracing a huge lineup permanently?


weird fit ...isn't he due for a BIG payday too? (or UFA)

That's bizarre...almost to the point of 'must be a typo' bizarre


He has one year left on his contract, yes.

So you’d have to max him out, but at least you’d be getting his age 28-29-30-31 seasons instead of 34-35-36-37 like Paul George.

Ingram is a very good player though.
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 5.0 

Post#205 » by basketballRob » Sat May 11, 2024 7:32 pm

I don't think the front office wants to take on long-term deals or players that would need one soon.

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Post#206 » by Knightro » Sat May 11, 2024 7:38 pm

If you’re interested in signing Paul George, there’s not a huge difference in PG and Ingram in my eyes.

The concept would be three big wings who can all score and pass, one guard and one big.
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Post#207 » by RichCollab » Sat May 11, 2024 7:42 pm

Knightro wrote:If you’re interested in signing Paul George, there’s not a huge difference in PG and Ingram in my eyes.

The concept would be three big wings who can all score and pass, one guard and one big.


3 way trade with ALT, Magic and Pels?

Ingram to ALT
Murray to ORL
……… to Pels???
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Post#208 » by RichCollab » Sat May 11, 2024 7:45 pm

Knightro wrote:If you’re interested in signing Paul George, there’s not a huge difference in PG and Ingram in my eyes.

The concept would be three big wings who can all score and pass, one guard and one big.


PG13 is better from 3 and defense.
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Post#209 » by Knightro » Sat May 11, 2024 7:47 pm

RichCollab wrote:
Knightro wrote:If you’re interested in signing Paul George, there’s not a huge difference in PG and Ingram in my eyes.

The concept would be three big wings who can all score and pass, one guard and one big.


3 way trade with ALT, Magic and Pels?

Ingram to ALT
Murray to ORL
……… to Pels???


Sounds like the Pelicans want to A. avoid the luxury tax and B. get a long-term answer at point guard.
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Post#210 » by SOUL » Sat May 11, 2024 7:50 pm

Knightro wrote:If you’re interested in signing Paul George, there’s not a huge difference in PG and Ingram in my eyes.

The concept would be three big wings who can all score and pass, one guard and one big.


8 threes per game at 41% versus 3.8 on 35% seems a bit massive tbh.

I do not think it's smart to invest in three wings all who do not feel that comfortable outside of the paint or mid-range.
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Post#211 » by Skybox » Sat May 11, 2024 7:53 pm

RichCollab wrote:
Knightro wrote:If you’re interested in signing Paul George, there’s not a huge difference in PG and Ingram in my eyes.

The concept would be three big wings who can all score and pass, one guard and one big.


PG13 is better from 3 and defense.


Thinking the same...isn't NOLA pretty much unhappy with Ingram? maybe it's just a fit issue - they have those great 3&D wings that, perhaps, look better next to Zion.

Absolutely had this Ingram concept drop out of the sky, to my knowledge...I wonder if anyone will repeat it with any credibility?

Took a look...pretty reliable 20+ ppg, 5+ rpg, 5+ apg and not the 3pt shooter I suspected. Also, I see that Paul George is also 6'8 but Ingram is listed at a wispy (or fast-if you're a glass is half-full guy) 190 pounds to PG's solid 220. That would be a LOOONNG lineup if he's the "combo guard/offensive initiator" next to Suggs...I guess I just don't know much about him- could he be a huge, more proven Monk?
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 5.0 

Post#212 » by Skybox » Sat May 11, 2024 7:56 pm

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Knightro wrote:If you’re interested in signing Paul George, there’s not a huge difference in PG and Ingram in my eyes.

The concept would be three big wings who can all score and pass, one guard and one big.


8 threes per game at 41% versus 3.8 on 35% seems a bit massive tbh.

I do not think it's smart to invest in three wings all who do not feel that comfortable outside of the paint or mid-range.


just pondering...looks like his 3pta's dropped quite a bit in the last 3 years...maybe the additions of Jones & Tre Murphy (who are very limited offensively but 3pt snipers) pushed him into the paint a bit more...also, considering Zion was mostly out, the paint was empty.

he never hit 40% from 3 for a season, but he got close a few times....interesting

NOLA needs a Center...I wonder what kind of return they'd be looking for. Can't say I'm that familiar with Ingram and his fit, but I'm not sure I'd trade WCJ plus much else for him...I wonder if cap relief would be of great value to NOLA?

this is really a curve ball :D
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 5.0 

Post#213 » by Knightro » Sat May 11, 2024 8:00 pm

SOUL wrote:
Knightro wrote:If you’re interested in signing Paul George, there’s not a huge difference in PG and Ingram in my eyes.

The concept would be three big wings who can all score and pass, one guard and one big.


8 threes per game at 41% versus 3.8 on 35% seems a bit massive tbh.

I do not think it's smart to invest in three wings all who do not feel that comfortable outside of the paint or mid-range.


Ingram does have seasons of 39%, 39% and 38% 3PT on his current contract.

Paul George himself shot 35% from 3PT just two years ago.

Both guys can shoot IMO.
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 5.0 

Post#214 » by MagicMatic » Sat May 11, 2024 8:02 pm

No thanks to Ingram. He’s overrated for what he costs.

Still don’t believe PG willingly comes to Orlando.
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 5.0 

Post#215 » by Skybox » Sat May 11, 2024 8:02 pm

Now we know they're just throwing s**t on the wall...

Orlando Magic Receive: Brandon Ingram

New Orleans Pelicans Receive: Jonathan Isaac, Jalen Suggs, Mo Wagner, 2025 First-Round Pick, 2026 First-Round Pick
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Post#216 » by MagicMatic » Sat May 11, 2024 8:04 pm

Skybox wrote:Now we know they're just throwing s**t on the wall...

Orlando Magic Receive: Brandon Ingram

New Orleans Pelicans Receive: Jonathan Isaac, Jalen Suggs, Mo Wagner, 2025 First-Round Pick, 2026 First-Round Pick


That would be comically **** return. I’d just become an OKC fan at that point.
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Post#217 » by Audi » Sat May 11, 2024 8:06 pm

Skybox wrote:Now we know they're just throwing s**t on the wall...

Orlando Magic Receive: Brandon Ingram

New Orleans Pelicans Receive: Jonathan Isaac, Jalen Suggs, Mo Wagner, 2025 First-Round Pick, 2026 First-Round Pick


Wait what trash rag is pushing this?
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 5.0 

Post#218 » by SOUL » Sat May 11, 2024 8:06 pm

Knightro wrote:
SOUL wrote:
Knightro wrote:If you’re interested in signing Paul George, there’s not a huge difference in PG and Ingram in my eyes.

The concept would be three big wings who can all score and pass, one guard and one big.


8 threes per game at 41% versus 3.8 on 35% seems a bit massive tbh.

I do not think it's smart to invest in three wings all who do not feel that comfortable outside of the paint or mid-range.


Ingram does have seasons of 39%, 39% and 38% 3PT on his current contract.

Paul George himself shot 35% from 3PT just two years ago.

Both guys can shoot IMO.


I'm more concerned about the volume than the percentage tbh. Paul George has 10 season over Ingram's highest volume of three points attempted.

I like him as a player, but for his price... nah...

Gary Harris had volume problems too. I just don't think it'd be smart to bring in someone who likes to operate in the same exact spaces as Paolo who also needs iso plays.
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 5.0 

Post#219 » by basketballRob » Sat May 11, 2024 8:11 pm

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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 5.0 

Post#220 » by ogmagicfan » Sat May 11, 2024 8:13 pm

Ingram doesnt make sense to me, he isnt a volume 3 pt shooter, has troubles staying healthy, and has a contract extension coming up

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